The Current State of Christianity

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Have you seen the unity of the faith?

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Willie T

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I saw this advert for a church that supposedly is modeled on Acts 2. Really? And what do they do that resembles the major revival that kickstarted the faith on Earth?

They hold to the doctrine of tongues.

That's it.

And doing this compares with the power exhibited in Acts?

Really.

The problem, as I see it, is what we claim is exaggerated...and the actual content is so much less than what God expects of us. We can point to what we are doing...but what are we leaving undone?
Can one group of people do all? Hardly. Just feeding the poor would require nearly the full-time, concentrated effort of many 50 to 100 person congregations. (The average size of the American church) Who is going to keep that ministry going if three-quarters of the congregation is off doing some other good and Godly works somewhere else?
 
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Can one group of people do all? Hardly. Just feeding the poor would require nearly the full-time, concentrated effort of many 50 to 100 person congregations. (The average size of the American church) Who is going to keep that ministry going if three-quarters of the congregation is off doing some other good and Godly works somewhere else?


Our calling in Christ is to walk in the same life that Jesus did...not do specific things that can be done by human strength. Christianity is not supposed to be a religion....but an anti-religion that exposes the flesh. We are to live by another power, another life...that of the Spirit. That is where the unity is.
 

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Our calling in Christ is to walk in the same life that Jesus did...not do specific things that can be done by human strength. Christianity is not supposed to be a religion....but an anti-religion that exposes the flesh. We are to live by another power, another life...that of the Spirit. That is where the unity is.

humanism: an outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems.
 

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you refer to the Bible as the Word, yes? But you are making a good point there anyway, i merely commented in passing bc you made a statement that is not true. With all due respect (wadr). And ntmy btw :)
I'm refering to the Bible yes.

Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


It's the Word of God.

Unless you believe the Bible isn't. But even then, to me it still is.
 

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I cannot see the unity in the faith.

There is no unity, for the simple reason most Christians don't believe
the present day church can be like the apostolic church.

The sample for a true church is in the book of Acts.

Most people reject miracles and the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
 

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Unless you believe the Bible isn't. But even then, to me it still is.
ok, and being as how you already cannot Quote that, what else might make you change your mind there, if i may ask?

Word = Truth, right; is the Bible the Book of Truth?
Easter can be quoted from the KJV; is Easter the Truth?
The Bible assures us that scribes will translate to suit themselves; is a scribed Bible still Word?
For that matter is an original copy Word if you were not there to hear It, iow you were not and are not a speaker of ancient Hebrew?

Seems awful dangerous to rely on a guy that the Bible specifically mentions will be translating to suit themselves,
and then to label that Word, wadr

what will you call Word when you hear It?
 
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Current christianity? Tithe, have faith, have hope, you might see results... be prosperous... etc etc etc...

Then you have multiple men/women telling you what they believe god is saying in your life....
 

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Current christianity? Tithe, have faith, have hope, you might see results... be prosperous... etc etc etc...

Then you have multiple men/women telling you what they believe god is saying in your life....


In short...a best guess? What seems right?
 

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don't be so sure wadr.
After all, you cannot Quote this anywhere, can you
I apologize up front because this is off topic....but it is stressing me out...lol....what does WADR stand for....I keep telling myself it is surely a compliment and I should be thanking him!:D
 
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Replying to the OP....the Bible plainly says in the last days evil will wax worse and worse, people will follow the doctrines of men rather that what is taught in His Word, their ears have become hard of hearing and theirs eyes no longer see the truth.....
But rejoice for God is restoring HIS CHURCH.....this will be when you see the unity of faith....all in His timing....prophesies will be fulfilled!
 

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wadr my brain is full of acronyms so I just ignore the post.
Way back in my college days I had a boyfriend that would yell at me this way.....and this was before it became popular with the millennials! Oh it would drive me crazy because I didn't know what GTHUAGAB...…???? and I would never ask him what that was suppose to mean until my curiosity
got the best of me.....that particular one meant "grow the heck up and get a brain" …….:eek:
 

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We are to live by another power, another life...that of the Spirit. That is where the unity is.

Correct. This is how the unity will come. Those who are truly His will be united by One Spirit (Ephesians 4:4), and the manifestation of becoming one body will again be accompanied by spiritual gifts being spread abroad among them (Ephesians 4:7). God will continue to slowly separate unto Himself those who are governed and ruled over by that Spirit (Colossians 3:15), and they will let the Spirit arbitrate in their hearts so as not to be in strife with one another, and grow into the fulness of God in all respects (Ephesians 1:23). Obviously we're not there yet, but the day is coming, and since scripture commands that we think on that which is positive, this is the perspective I take.
 

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ok, and being as how you already cannot Quote that, what else might make you change your mind there, if i may ask?

Word = Truth, right; is the Bible the Book of Truth?
Easter can be quoted from the KJV; is Easter the Truth?
The Bible assures us that scribes will translate to suit themselves; is a scribed Bible still Word?
For that matter is an original copy Word if you were not there to hear It, iow you were not and are not a speaker of ancient Hebrew?

Seems awful dangerous to rely on a guy that the Bible specifically mentions will be translating to suit themselves,
and then to label that Word, wadr

what will you call Word when you hear It?

I personally believe that the Bible is preserved by God and kept true in all ages. Doesn't matter who translated what when. i believe that the vast majority of translations of the Word of God are preserved by His Spirit.
 

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We find there is so many ideas concerning our spiritual walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. You hardly find two people seeing eye to eye on the majority of what we know as the Word of God. Christianity these days seem more like the confusion of the tower of Babel than the Lighthouse that it suppose to be. How can this be? Is God then the author of confusion? Or have He left us behind in our own wallow?

In Jeremiah 8:20-22 God asked
20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.
21 For the hurt of the daughter of my people am I hurt; I am black; astonishment hath taken hold on me.
22 Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?


Why is Christianity in such a bad condition? We are the laughing stock of the world. And I don't blame the outsider for shaking his head at the Christian world. The Christians today are a defeated people. They are no different than the outsider, sometimes worse with the additional label of hypocrite. Where is the holiness? Where is the victory? We are a far cry from when the church started on the day of Pentecost in the upper room. The days of Ananias and Sapphira. I wonder who produces more Atheists, the Christians or the unbelievers?

Yet all claims to be saved. We argue and deny the Word, we think we know better. Let's not even mention the disgraces that we find in our churches right up to the leaders. Adultery, greed, homosexuality. Pastors that cheat with congregants wife's, deacons that are married two, three times. The Church used to be pure and Holy. Now look at her. What will Jesus say if He returns today? Where has the standard gone too. Aren't we disgracing His name instead of Glorifying it?

Would it be as He said in Luke 18:8
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Are we really ready?

I don't think so.... I believe this is what God thinks of us,
Revelation 3:14-22
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

There will be no Rapture if there is no unity in faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. But as many people I come across, so many people have different Ideas. So is it only me or is there something wrong with this picture? Where have we gone wrong?

Ephisians 4:10-17 Says
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind

This is pretty fundamental and to be honest, it's loud and clear. So, is it the Word of God that is wrong or are we being deceived?

How do you think that you are right? How do we come to that conclusion? Obviously we cannot save ourselves but surely we should have the fruit meet for repentance. Because I don't see it. Am I wrong?

You were wrong when you lumped everyone together in the same boat. Salvation is on an individual basis, and many saints go about their lives without drawing attention to themselves. You will not see them canonized or televised, but they follow the will of the Father and he sees all they do.

Their life is in Christ, by Christ, and for Christ.
"For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.'"
Acts 17:28

The true Church is perfect, so it is not by the Spirit that people condemn her. It is human nature to see the negative and focus on the negative. There are Christians still growing spiritually, and pew warmers, and make believers.
"25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless."
Ephesians 5:25
 
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