Does Jesus give people a 2nd chance after death?

[GodsGrace]

Nope!
They said limbo.
That's where I'm going.
Can you prove it doesn't exist?

OK. Here we go:


Babies who die before being baptised will no longer be trapped in limbo following a decision by the Pope to abolish the concept from Roman Catholic teaching.

The decision was taken after Benedict XVI was presented with Vatican studies that said there were "serious" grounds that such souls could go to heaven, rather than exist between heaven and hell as they have done for almost 800 years.

source: The Pope ends state of limbo after 800 years

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This is from a Catholic theologian:
The entire article must be read or it won't be understood.

Catholic teaching on Limbo

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Pope Benedict XVI will tomorrow announce he is scrapping the centuries old Roman Catholic concept of limbo. According to church teachings, limbo is home to the souls of children who die without being baptised. It is a state between Heaven and Hell. But the Pope will instead say that unbaptised children go to Heaven. The move follows a meeting at the Vatican this week of 30 senior church figures who are part of the powerful International Theological Commission.


source: Pope: limbo does not exist | Metro News


Yes... This is the problem with doctrine that is not biblical...sooner or later it creates problems.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

OK. Here we go:


Babies who die before being baptised will no longer be trapped in limbo following a decision by the Pope to abolish the concept from Roman Catholic teaching.

The decision was taken after Benedict XVI was presented with Vatican studies that said there were "serious" grounds that such souls could go to heaven, rather than exist between heaven and hell as they have done for almost 800 years.

source: The Pope ends state of limbo after 800 years

**************************************************

This is from a Catholic theologian:
The entire article must be read or it won't be understood.

Catholic teaching on Limbo

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Pope Benedict XVI will tomorrow announce he is scrapping the centuries old Roman Catholic concept of limbo. According to church teachings, limbo is home to the souls of children who die without being baptised. It is a state between Heaven and Hell. But the Pope will instead say that unbaptised children go to Heaven. The move follows a meeting at the Vatican this week of 30 senior church figures who are part of the powerful International Theological Commission.


source: Pope: limbo does not exist | Metro News

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Yes... This is the problem with doctrine that is not biblical...sooner or later it creates problems.

Wow!
The pope has awesome power.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

what kind of language is that?
It's not English...

onus means burden. You put a burden on me. Think I’ll pass.

 

[GodsGrace]

Oh, excuse me, paradise is out of style.
How about bell bottom jeans?

They're back with a vengeance.

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Luke 15:19-31
This is paradise.
Or, Abraham's Bossom.
right?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

onus means burden. You put a burden on me. Think I’ll pass.

onus means it's your duty to back up what you say

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

They're back with a vengeance.

• 

Luke 15:19-31
This is paradise.
Or, Abraham's Bossom.
right?

that's narrow
think wider

 

[GodsGrace]

How do I know you are a real human being?
I've never met you.
Are you a real human being?
Prove it!

Hey, I took and passed the robot test when I joined this forum.
I'm verified!!

 

[GodsGrace]

Psalm 139:7-10
[7] Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? [8] If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there . [9] If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; [10] Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

Isn’t this hell.

I give up. Blessings, Rollo. Going to go look up what “onus” means now.

LOL
Onus means YOU have to do all the work !

 

[VictoryinJesus]

onus means it's your duty to back up what you say

I know and I kind of took it on myself. I’m sorry. You never forced anyone to respond. It is a good thread and question.

 

[GodsGrace]

Wow!
The pope has awesome power.

Yeah!
He rules.

 

[GodsGrace]

that's narrow
think wider

OK

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[GodsGrace]

I know and I kind of took it on myself. I’m sorry. You never forced anyone to respond. It is a good thread and question.

The O.P. says that MAYBE the people of old needed a second chance.
A second chance is not necessary because from the beginning of time, people were able to know God and to decide if they cared to worship Him or not.

Romans 1:19-20
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Persons who worshipped God went to Paradise, or Abraham's Bossom , until Jesus died on the cross and freed the captives from satan's grip. Jesus killed death and death no longer had the sting it did before. Now when those who love God die, they go to be directly with Him.
Luke 15:19-31

Jesus went to Hades, or Paradise, or Abraham's Bossom and freed the worshippers of God who were waiting there for their release.

Persons in hell did not worship God and were judged accordingly.
There was a huge chasm between those in Abraham's Bossom and those in hell.

There was no reason for Jesus to go to hell.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The O.P. says that MAYBE the people of old needed a second chance.
A second chance is not necessary because from the beginning of time, people were able to know God and to decide if they cared to worship Him or not.

Romans 1:19-20
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Persons who worshipped God went to Paradise, or Abraham's Bossom , until Jesus died on the cross and freed the captives from satan's grip. Jesus killed death and death no longer had the sting it did before. Now when those who love God die, they go to be directly with Him.
Luke 15:19-31

Jesus went to Hades, or Paradise, or Abraham's Bossom and freed the worshippers of God who were waiting there for their release.

Persons in hell did not worship God and were judged accordingly.
There was a huge chasm between those in Abraham's Bossom and those in hell.

There was no reason for Jesus to go to hell.

How about limbo?
Do I get out?

 

[GodsGrace]

How about limbo?
Do I get out?

Get out?
You ain't even goin' there!
Didn't you hear what the Pope said...there is no limbo, and he should know since some pope before him said there is.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Get out?
You ain't even goin' there!
Didn't you hear what the Pope said...there is no limbo, and he should know since some pope before him said there is.

He's just saying that because he found out all popes go to Limbo.

 

[GodsGrace]

He's just saying that because he found out all popes go to Limbo.

Yes sir.
That's wishful thinking if ever there was wishful thinking.
Just speak it and it disappears!
Maybe he could do the same for the hot place?

 

[Abeliever]

Jesus made a somewhat ambiguous statement in Matthew 12:32. One problem is this statement isn't made any where else. The other problem is Jesus liked to make ambiguous statements. Matt 12:32 as per the NIV says "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." Okay so blasphemy against the Holy Spirit won't be forgiven after death (we all agree on that) but Jesus seems to be implying that perhaps some sins will be forgiven after death, at least for some people. Most of us learned no sins get forgiven after death but maybe some do. I wouldn't count on this, especially with only 1 scripture reference. I wouldn't preach this. However, for all of us who had a loved one die in a state that wasn't godly maybe there is hope for that soul. I would think the sin the person died with matters, but to God that may not be the issue.

All I'm saying is Matt 12:32 is something to keep in mind.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Excuse me...I never said that it did.
BLOOD IN A natural born Body....Gets a mans body a natural LIFE.

A body MUST HAVE LIFE, before IT CAN DIE.
A body MUST DIE, before IT CAN BE BORN AGAIN OF GODS SEED.

...

Of course they do. That was NOT a contending POINT. The POINT IS: ALL BLOOD LIFE MUST DIE, God requires the Life of a man, which IS HIS BLOOD.

Men CHOOSE to become Forgiven, and Saved, or NOT.



Somewhat agree.
All natural born bodies are Quickened into a living state, via, being given a soul with life from God, Via His Breath of Life.



Jesus Offered His body of Flesh For the Life of the World...and His Blood For Forgiveness For those who choose To ACCEPT His Offering.



Disagree

Blood sacrifice has Always been the requirement For Atonement For mans forgiveness of Sin.

WITH slaughter and BLOOD of animals in the Garden. Upon the Alter in the Temple in Jerusalem, A Ram in the stead of Isaac, and thee Lord Jesus upon the Cross...the LAST sacrifice of Blood, Jesus' Pure Blood, For the Forgiveness of mankind.



Already have GIVEN my body unto death, crucified with Christ.
Already have Received the Lords Offering.
Already have the Holy Spirit IN and WITH me.



You are going off on a tangent again.
And continue to NOT understanding the magnitude of THE BLOOD of Jesus.



Yes, Christ IS the Holy Spirit, ie Power of God.....and Yes, there IS an ORDER and WAY, for man TO ACCEPT the indwelling Holy Spirit.....Knowing and Understanding the Way, Order, Preparation leading up to, and Receiving the Holy Spirit....Is Not some sideline evil, heathen nonsense as you are purporting.

God Bless,
Taken

I agree with what you have said until you start to disagree.

Blood sacrifice is finished with when Jesus went to Heaven.

Jesus Does not want your blood, Vampires want your blood- life force for themselves and all who are not Born Again are heathen Vampires.

The Born Again do not accept the Holy Spirit, they were given it by God, it's a gift.
You can not make yourself a born again Christian.

Nothing beats the Holy Spirit as it trumps everything.

 

[quietthinker]

You said, "No second chances Rollo." convince me then with scripture please. (Luke 16:31) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

This was before One did indeed rise from the dead that One being Christ sent to us from the bosom of Abraham. Then in (1 Peter) 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

We can suppose a lot about who Christ went and preached to but the word says one clearly : "unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient," (the just for the unjust). Are these the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient....being the rich man that pleaded with God to send one back (Lazarus) which means (God has helped)? Did God send one back who rose from the dead?

Lazarus and the rich man: is used to support hell and used to support Christ preaching to those saints held in Abraham … but it also says "unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient" So He led free those captive with Abraham but left those "sometime were disobedient' including the rich man???? The Lord tender and full of mercy? (the just for the unjust)

The Spirits in prison ViJ are/is all of humanity. Humanity is imprisoned with guilt and sin and for the most part don't understand the connections. Guilt is the core driver for wanting to feel better than one does and the attempts of the natural man to feel better is sin (we steal and kill and sex ourselves stupid, we covet and create multitudes of items to worship etc etc, we are slaves in a prison.
When Jesus sets the captives free he forgives the guilt and gives power over sin.
In the old song 'Rock of Ages' it says 'be for sin a double cure, cleanse me from its guilt and power', no doubt you remember that.

Jesus visiting the spirits in prison and Lazarus and the rich man references in scripture are not talking about scenes of the spirit world or events occurring or having occurred after death. The dead know nothing the scripture says.

The time for salvation is now, in this living space that is granted us while we breath the air and walk the earth. When the curtains close at death our destiny is set and God the righteous judge will apportion each according to their allegiance while alive.

 

[Taken]

I agree with what you have said until you start to disagree.

I agree with Scripture.

Blood sacrifice is finished with when Jesus went to Heaven.

Actually Animal Blood Sacrifice ended with the distruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.

Jesus Does not want your blood,

What I said is God REQUIRES a mans BLOOD LIFE.

What Scripture says IS;
Gen 9:5
....your blood of your lives will I require....
I require the life of man.

It is Scipture you disagree with.

Vampires want your blood-
life force for themselves and all who are not Born Again are heathen Vampires.

Oh good grief....get real.

The Born Again do not accept the Holy Spirit, they were given it by God, it's a gift.

So your point is Gifts Offered By God are Forced, and "not Accepted" by a man?

You can not make yourself a born again Christian.

Nor did you quote me saying that, so what is the point of your comment?

Nothing beats the Holy Spirit as it trumps everything.

Okay.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[BobRyan]

I feel this is a much debated subject.
People like to read more into Scripture than what is there.
I've read of pastors who believe Jesus gives everyone a 2nd chance after death because he doesn't want anyone to go to hell.
some believe that when Jesus went to hell, he preached the Gospel and gave everyone from old a 2nd chance.
But the Bible doesn't say that.
Or does it.
Anyone have anything to say about this?

Hebrews 9 "It is appointed unto man ONCE to die and then comes the judgment" --
No such thing as "change your mind after you die"

Satan tell Eve "no, no that is all wrong - God is too loving to do that... don't worry"

You're about the 4th poster to come up with that verse.
It goes to show how some read the bible and skip right over the verses they don't like. Do those that believe in a second chance ever read that verse? Or many of the statements of Jesus? Guess not.
Yes, and when the evil one tells you not to worry, you better start worrying!

Amen! Why goof off in this life with the false hope that in the next life - you get another crack at it?