The Undiscovered Christ

[Dave L]

All I have left for you is a big fat raspberry.
I don't have time for this argument. It's silly to me. ☺

Christian love in action?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Christian love in action?

Raspberries are blown with lips, you know.

 

[Dave L]

Raspberries are blown with lips, you know.

But not lovingly.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

But not lovingly.

Says who? You might have a different understanding of raspberries than me. I see them as affectionate but exasperated. At least that's what they are in my family.

 

[bbyrd009]

But he's stringing them together in a way scripture does not. And besides, the area of meaning is broad in word translation so using his technique, you can come up with several variations.

they're all going to be pretty close i think Dave, and i guess no one is trying to make a doctrine of this anyway. You might look at any objections to the interpreted phrase? I mean do you disagree with any part of it? It has all been pretty thoroughly assayed i think

 

[Dave L]

they're all going to be pretty close i think Dave, and i guess no one is trying to make a doctrine of this anyway. You might look at any objections to the interpreted phrase? I mean do you disagree with any part of it? It has all been pretty thoroughly assayed i think

We are not at liberty to create "scripture" from scripture.

 

[Dave L]

Says who? You might have a different understanding of raspberries than me. I see them as affectionate but exasperated. At least that's what they are in my family.

Why not bless those you disagree with instead of cursing them?

 

[bbyrd009]

We are not at liberty to create "scripture" from scripture.

again, what about the interpretation do you find at odds with any other understanding that you currently hold, Dave?
And who is declaring the interpretation Scripture anyway? You maybe imagine that you are sticking to some literal thing, but you are making a quite arbitrary call here, as your interp at other Scripture would quickly reveal imo, you believe that you will see Him come down in the same way they saw Him go up, right, yet that is not what the v says, and etc

And yes, lunatics and simple people are "blessed" by us, if that is what you need then bam say so

 

[Dave L]

again, what about the interpretation do you find at odds with any other understanding that you currently hold, Dave?
And who is declaring the interpretation Scripture anyway? You maybe imagine that you are sticking to some literal thing, but you are making a quite arbitrary call here, as your interp at other Scripture would quickly reveal imo, you believe that you will see Him come down in the same way they saw Him go up, right, yet that is not what the v says, and etc

And yes, lunatics and simple people are "blessed" by us, if that is what you need then bam say so

I'm saying we cannot make something from scripture that it doesn't make in the first place.

 

[amadeus]

imo here we would generally reflect upon the Unknown God, or knowing of God rather than knowing Him, really for the same reason i think, that as soon as one says they know something then by def they are no longer looking for a better understanding. As soon as you believe you have the truth in a matter no greater truth will be sought. also bc he who says he knows anything is saying that he knows for a reason, and not bc he knows i guess. All the gods i know have fallen, personally

so, how do we know Gospel, or Word, without knowing the Truth about them? We start with an approximation and come closer step by step i guess. Word, Gospel, Christ, Truth, these are all the same thing right. So obviously when you say you know the truth you are deceived imo

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm saying we cannot make something from scripture that it doesn't make in the first place.

horse puckey, you do it all the time, i even gave an example that you will not acknowledge Dave, and i'm leaving now bc i have already been to this dance with you ok, no hard feelings.

i mean how do you think you all got to "when we all get to heaven?"

 

[amadeus]

i think we have them because a lot of men don't walk in the Spirit.

And/or many men move into and out of the Spirit instead of staying in it continuously. And then a real lack of charity between those who differ in points builds up an often impenetrable wall between them.

 

[amadeus]

No, the bible is a giant Rorschach Test for every religious crackpot out there.

Rather it is a dead carcass which needs to be brought to Life by the Holy Spirit in order to become the Word of God.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Why not bless those you disagree with instead of cursing them?

I did not curse you in any way. You may feel like I did but that was not the intent of my mind or heart. At all. You either have a skewed perception or you are intentionally making it up that I cursed you. Either way, I don't think anything good will come from further discussion with you so I am dropping it before it progresses any farther.

 

[Helen]

I did not curse you in any way. You may feel like I did but that was not the intent of my mind or heart. At all. You either have a skewed perception or you are intentionally making it up that I cursed you. Either way, I don't think anything good will come from further discussion with you so I am dropping it before it progresses any farther.

You are the third person that I have read to say they are opting out of discussions with him...he will soon be posting to himself.
The attitude is what is hard to take.

 

[Dave L]

I did not curse you in any way. You may feel like I did but that was not the intent of my mind or heart. At all. You either have a skewed perception or you are intentionally making it up that I cursed you. Either way, I don't think anything good will come from further discussion with you so I am dropping it before it progresses any farther.

Just sayin' we are to bless not curse.

 

[Dave L]

Rather it is a dead carcass which needs to be brought to Life by the Holy Spirit in order to become the Word of God.

That's the problem. And because of it, people Rorschach the scriptures on top of it.

 

[Dave L]

horse puckey, you do it all the time, i even gave an example that you will not acknowledge Dave, and i'm leaving now bc i have already been to this dance with you ok, no hard feelings.

i mean how do you think you all got to "when we all get to heaven?"

I am not at liberty to float my own ideas. If you can improve my understanding of scripture, please do.

 

[amadeus]

That's the problem. And because of it, people Rorschach the scriptures on top of it.

When people interpret the scriptures themselves instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to teach or interpret they make mistakes, mistakes that can cost them more than they want to pay. The problem of course is that almost everyone who has received the Holy Spirit too often quenches the Holy Spirit.

Many presume that because the Holy Spirit led them right on one thing that they are always led rightly. They are only always led the right way if they are always led by the Holy Spirit. Since most people attend church services where they are taught to quench the Holy Spirit they will make more rather than fewer mistakes. Even those who attend no services may habitually make decisions without first consulting God.

 

[Episkopos]

You are the third person that I have read to say they are opting out of discussions with him...he will soon be posting to himself.
The attitude is what is hard to take.

I had to check my "show ignored content" list to see who you were talking about. ;)