Limited Atonement VS Universal Atonement

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LC627

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Good grief, how is it the simplest of communication escapes your understanding?

I sinned. I was forgiven. I am covered. I am Converted. I sin NO MORE.

THERE IS NO "IF" to consider, for me.
I sin NO MORE...

Is it beyond your comprehension to understand what NO MORE means?

Sheesh!! :eek:

Glory to God,
Taken

One second there my friend...Coming in this conversation late so I may need to be caught up but, You believe you "sin no more" ? You are not capable of saying a cuss word? Looking in lust, thinking a bad thought, nothing...? Yes I believe we are forgiven in Christ and converted but to state that one "sins no more" while they're still living in this fleshly body is just not reality. Repentance is daily and life long. Do I believe I am eternally secure? Yes. But do I believe that I sin no more? Far from the truth. I hate my sin and when I do sin I repent and ask for forgiveness, as we all should. It goes against our new nature in Christ. Believers do not make a "practice of sin" in their lifestyle willingly and for pleasure (we don't take joy/pleasure in sin no longer like we use to) but that does not mean we won't sin.
 
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STOP SPEAKING FOR ME....QUOTE ME

I did and it is clear what you believe.

I asked: So, if you keep sinning – to which you said – there is no “if” about it, and I asked, then you believe you are not sinning – to which you said – correct.

Anyone can see that you do not believe the sins you commit are considered sins. You’re delusional.
 

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you have plainly said that you sin no more? in an unquotable way, btw
ok, could you rectify this with the v that we are all aware of that suggests differently? ty

my guess is that we have miscommunicated here somewhere, and are now all agreeing with each other at the top of our lungs lol

ida swore i was just asking you if you were amenable to admitting that we are all swimming in sin, in the last day or two?
maybe it was @Naomi25, i confuse you two for some reason

Yes, you are confused. Glad you admit it.
 

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Some of our names are very telling. For instance "Taken"

The Bible says those who are taken are destroyed.
One second there my friend...Coming in this conversation late so I may need to be caught up but, You believe you "sin no more" ? You are not capable of saying a cuss word? Looking in lust, thinking a bad thought, nothing...? Yes I believe we are forgiven in Christ and converted but to state that one "sins no more" while they're still living in this fleshly body is just not reality. Repentance is daily and life long. Do I believe I am eternally secure? Yes. But do I believe that I sin no more? Far from the truth. I hate my sin and when I do sin I repent and ask for forgiveness, as we all should. It goes against our new nature in Christ. Believers do not make a "practice of sin" in their lifestyle willingly and for pleasure (we don't take joy/pleasure in sin no longer like we use to) but that does not mean we won't sin.

Yes, you are coming in late. You are actually saying the same thing he is.
 

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Some of our names are very telling. For instance "Taken"

The Bible says those who are taken are destroyed.


Yes, you are coming in late. You are actually saying the same thing he is.

okay go ahead and think that. Not sure how since I mentioned repentance and that it’s daily and life long.

Your view of eternal security is as long as you are the one in control of doing everything right you’ll be good. You’ll let God have the glory as long as you’re in control. Hey, He can’t do it without you
 

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One second there my friend...Coming in this conversation late so I may need to be caught up but, You believe you "sin no more"?

Correct.

Believers do not make a "practice of sin" in their lifestyle willingly and for pleasure (we don't take joy/pleasure in sin no longer like we use to) but that does not mean we won't sin.

I am not speaking for "Believers".

I am speaking for myself, as Being born of God. 1John 3:9

God Bless,
Taken
 
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It doesn't. The Father draws, the Son provides the Way, and the Holy Spirit is sent as a Helper.
But if faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, doesn't that mean the Holy Spirit generates saving faith that draws us? It did in my case........
 

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But if faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, doesn't that mean the Holy Spirit generates saving faith that draws us? It did in my case........

No. There is more than one kind of faith. You've bunched them all together in your understanding.

The Father gives all - everyone - a measure of faith. It is He that does the drawing from that faith.
The Spirit gives a supernatural faith that can move mountains and perform miracles, etc., but not until you have the Spirit, which is a gift from Jesus, so you have to believe in Jesus first. After you have the Spirit, our faith grows as a fruit. You've reached the end as if it is the beginning.
 
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No. There is more than one kind of faith. You've bunched them all together in your understanding.

The Father gives all - everyone - a measure of faith. It is He that does the drawing from that faith.
The Spirit gives a supernatural faith that can move mountains and perform miracles, etc., but not until you have the Spirit, which is a gift from Jesus, so you have to believe in Jesus first. After you have the Spirit, our faith grows as a fruit. You've reached the end as if it is the beginning.
If you consider the context in each verse you recite, it doesn't say what you think it says.
 

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If you consider the context in each verse you recite, it doesn't say what you think it says.

Believe it backwards if you want to. I'm not going to argue with you about anything. The Spirit is the only one that can straighten out the doctrinal mess on this thread. There are more delusional people on this thread than on most.
 

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That is False.
You spoke For Me, making Claims For me.
I said QUOTE me....

Did I really need to say, QUOTE me saying what Your Mouth claimed For me?


So? Is that you quoting me saying what you claimed for me?

No it isn't.

Go enjoy yourself with your string of Leud suggestions you have been trying to peddle here...no one is interested in your twisted garbage.
 
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Believe it backwards if you want to. I'm not going to argue with you about anything. The Spirit is the only one that can straighten out the doctrinal mess on this thread. There are more delusional people on this thread than on most.
Read the verses carefully in context and see if I'm not right.
 

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So, you believe we can now sin with no condemnation. Wonderful. Let's party!!!!:cool: You bring the booze, and I'll bring the weed!


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Very cute but it only elevates your ego and self-righteousness. Why! Because you are saying you are sinless.

If you want to live in a sinful body you can but the child of God no longer WANTS to live in a body that sins. That is why they rejoice in the
what Jesus did on the cross. He made a way for the ungodly. As a mater of fact they want to be sinless but they don't deceive themselves into thinking they no longer sin in the flesh as some do on this forum.

If, as you say, you now have the ability and power to not sin in your sinful flesh you are deceiving yourself but you can't deceive God. But as you claim to be sinless you no longer need Jesus' work on the cross and you are responsible for your sins of the flesh. His shed blood will not save you.

Rom 4:5-8 --- David Celebrates the Same Truth
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
NKJV

No where in the above do we see that God makes sinful flesh to be sinless flesh.

Rom 5:6-9 --- Christ in Our Place
6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
NKJV

What is so remarkable to me is that religious people who thing they no longer sin in the flesh soon forget the story Jesus told about the Pharisee and the tax collector. They just can't see that they are doing the same thing as the Pharisee.

Luke 18:9-14 --- The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself,'God, I thank You that I am not like other men — extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.'
13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!'
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
NKJV

No where does it say the tax collector gave up his job and became sinless in the flesh but God justified him as he is.
 
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That is False.
You spoke For Me, making Claims For me.
I said QUOTE me....

Did I really need to say, QUOTE me saying what Your Mouth claimed For me?



So? Is that you quoting me saying what you claimed for me?

No it isn't.

Go enjoy yourself with your string of Leud suggestions you have been trying to peddle here...no one is interested in your twisted garbage.

Just making a party you would enjoy. After all your sins are covered aren't they? You don't even call them sins anymore.
 

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Very cute but it only elevates your ego and self-righteousness. Why! Because you are saying you are sinless.

If you want to live in a sinful body you can but the child of God no longer WANTS to live in a body that sins. That is why they rejoice in the
what Jesus did on the cross. He made a way for the ungodly. As a mater of fact they want to be sinless but they don't deceive themselves into thinking they no longer sin in the flesh as some do on this form.

If, as you say, you now have the ability and power to not sin in your sinful flesh you are deceiving yourself but you can't deceive God. But as you claim to be sinless you no longer need Jesus' work on the cross and you are responsible for your sins of the flesh. His shed blood will not save you.

Rom 4:5-8 --- David Celebrates the Same Truth
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
NKJV

No where in the above do we see that God makes sinful flesh to be perfect flesh.

Rom 5:6-9 --- Christ in Our Place
6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
NKJV

What is so remarkable to me is that religious people who thing they no longer sin in the flesh soon forget the story Jesus told about the Pharisee and the tax collector. They just can't see that they are doing the same thing as the Pharisee.

Luke 18:9-14 --- The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself,'God, I thank You that I am not like other men — extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.'
13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!'
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
NKJV

No where does it say the tax collector gave up his job and became sinless in the flesh but God justified him as he is.


I believe what Paul and John and Jesus said. Paul said we are not in the flesh and are dead to sin. John said a Christian cannot sin. Jesus said we are free from sin.

Because you believe it's impossible, you make them all liars.
 
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and ask for forgiveness, as we all should.
great post imo, asking for forgiveness does not exist in Scripture though, believe it or not.
i know, huh? the reason soon becomes apparent, don't wanna spoil it
should be somewhere one time though i guess?
Not sure how since I mentioned repentance and that it’s daily and life long.
i got lost there too?
 
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