Proof: You were only forgiven of your past sins!

[amadeus]

ah, Scripture has a name for them i guess
many ppl even seek them?

I do know of such verses but I won't show any here because some might see me pointing my finger. I really don't want to do that when it won't edify anyone. Help us dear Lord!

 

[Dave L]

What is your point?

Sounds like you are promoting MEN teachers, over THEE Teacher, Christ Jesus Himself?

Apparently you are stuck in the "introduction stage"..... for which manKIND of TEACHERS are appointed.

Seems you have not paid attention to what I have said to you.....I am not wandering and wondering and trying to find a manKIND of teacher to INTRODUCE me TO the Lords Word, dictate Which of His Words I should be studying, or have the need for a person to Read TO me.

Perhaps not convential or acceptable to you...
But again; it is not your acceptance that concerns me.

Glory to God,
Taken

Wouldn't we be a bunch of hicks to shun book learnin' just because people who know more than we do wrote the books?

 

[Dave L]

Another one? I'm pretty certain it will be long and drawn out; and will not fail to revisit what was spoken in other threads on the same subject.

This one challenges you to find flaws and correct it with scripture.

 

[bbyrd009]

Scripture that you have repeatedly demonstrated you cannot see, and will not acknowledge when it is Quoted?

 

[bbyrd009]

Just saying, if they haven't defeated the trinity doctrine by now it probably ain't gonna happen.

Nehushtan isn't going anywhere i guess

 

[Dave L]

Scripture that you have repeatedly demonstrated you cannot see, and will not acknowledge when it is Quoted?

What are your favorite anti-trinitarian verses?

 

[bbyrd009]

What are your favorite anti-trinitarian verses?

i'm not anti-trinitarian Dave, imo it serves a vital function even

 

[amadeus]

Just saying, if they haven't defeated the trinity doctrine by now it probably ain't gonna happen.

This is still your trouble, Dave. You still speak of "they" as if that finalizes it one way or the other. You seem to forget the lesson of the children of Israel as they left Egypt and moved toward the Promised Land. Most of that "they" simply did not make it and they had wise, humble leader to follow as well as the pillar of fire and the pillar of cloud...

 

[amadeus]

If you reject the truth of scripture, there's little left to run on.

But I have not in spite of what you think. My Bible is my best and my most frequently opened book on a daily basis. I cannot go through a day without getting into it. This has been so for a great many years. God is my closest friend 24/7...

 

[Dave L]

This is still your trouble, Dave. You still speak of "they" as if that finalizes it one way or the other. You seem to forget the lesson of the children of Israel as they left Egypt and moved toward the Promised Land. Most of that "they" simply did not make it and they had wise, humble leader to follow as well as the pillar of fire and the pillar of cloud...

Truth does not exist along your lines of reasoning.

 

[Dave L]

But I have not in spite of what you think. My Bible is my best and my most frequently opened book on a daily basis. I cannot go through a day without getting into it. This has been so for a great many years. God is my closest friend 24/7...

Why are there so many different interpretations by those claiming the same?

 

[amadeus]

Truth does not exist along your lines of reasoning.

So you would say rather than follow Moses [Jesus] we should follow the children of Israel [the other church leaders or theologians] who died in the wilderness [in the ways of their flesh... Nehushtan] Truth does not come through reason although reason may at times be an effective tool.

 

[amadeus]

Why are there so many different interpretations by those claiming the same?

Because people do very frequently have mixed messages, part from the Holy Spirit and the other part from following their own ways [the ways of men]. This is where the Samaritans were and those of Judah condemned them. Jesus did not.

 

[Dave L]

So you would should say rather than follow Moses [Jesus] we should follow the children of Israel [the other church leaders or theologians] who died in the wilderness [in the ways of their flesh... Nehushtan] Truth does not come through reason although reason may at times be an effective tool.

Your way causes division in the body. Everyone winging it thinking they have inside info nobody else has. God placed teachers in the church to bring us together.

“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:” (Ephesians 4:11–13)

 

[Dave L]

Because people do very frequently have mixed messages, part from the Holy Spirit and the other part from following their own ways [the ways of men]. This is where the Samaritans were and those of Judah condemned them. Jesus did not.

Really? Isn't that the problem, everyone has the inside skinny so they reject those who honor the teachers God placed in the church?

 

[amadeus]

Your way causes division in the body. Everyone winging it thinking they have inside info nobody else has. God placed teachers in the church to bring us together.

“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:” (Ephesians 4:11–13)

Yes, He gave some but who are the ones given? Which ones work together supposedly to reach heaven but come to nothing better than more confusion?


"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth." Gen 11:6-9

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes, He gave some but who are the ones given?

As I said previously:

Again, teachers in the body of Christ are there ministering out of their spiritual gifts, many of them in the power of the Holy Spirit, and therefore we ought to discern who the faithful ones are and listen to them. Be a Berean (Acts of the Apostles 17:11). Study to shew thyself approved (2 Timothy 2:15).

Accept words of exhortation, words of wisdom, and teaching from the pulpit as being from the Holy Spirit unless God raises a red flag in your mind when listening to that teacher, telling you in some way that they are not of Him.

 

[amadeus]

Really? Isn't that the problem, everyone has the inside skinny so they reject those who honor the teachers God placed in the church?

I don't speak for all of those. I can only work to fix my own place and pray for others. You pick one group and presume they speak better than the others. I pick only God. When I am led by Him I will recognize His ministers who are speaking truth... when they are speaking truth. Remember the mixtures! I know that I have done it wrong in the past, but when we are really on His side will He not direct us? Brain power does NOT do it.

 

[Helen]

The Ecumenical Creeds promote the bible.

Unfortunately you are 'one of those people' who have decided that only you have the truth and see all of scripture perfectly ...and those who do not agree with you are wrong!

I can tell you right now...you are deceived. Not one member of the Body of Christ has perfect vision. You do not know all things...neither do you have all truth.
God designed us as a BODY... You are not the whole body.

 

[Dave L]

Yes, He gave some but who are the ones given? Which ones work together supposedly to reach heaven but come to nothing better than more confusion?


"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth." Gen 11:6-9

We have historic doctrine held in common by Evangelicals, Protestants, Reformed, Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox, and more. But these are all wrong because you never studied what they teach and don't care to?