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[bbyrd009]

We are not on the same page.

bc we are reading two diff Books i guess, ya
no biggie

 

[Taken]

bc we are reading two diff Books i guess, ya
no biggie

I know what BOOK I read, simply called the Holy Bible. I know from Where I get my understanding of the knowledge IN the Holy Bible.

If "your preferred Book is also the Bible"... it is not thus about the BOOK, but rather about the understanding.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

I know what BOOK I read, simply called the Holy Bible.

so, strike 1, ok
who called it Holy?

i'll tell you it was the same guys calling It Word, bc they do not know what It even says--not even considering that they also reveal they have never heard Word, understand--Word is Truth, and Scripture is not the Book of Truth, just like It even tells us right, there really is no other reason to ref the Book of Truth in Scripture imo.

anyway, to your point, Quote "Holy Bible" in English and we'll move on i guess

 

[Taken]

so, strike 1, ok
who called it Holy?

I would presume the same ones who believed it was the inspired word of God.

i'll tell you it was the same guys calling It Word,

I have no issue with it being called either, since Gods Word is Holy and His Word.

bc they do not know what It even says--not even considering that they also reveal they have never heard Word, understand--

Considering "THEY" are some unknown men....I couldn't say what they know or do.

Word is Truth, and Scripture is not the Book of Truth,

Obviously, I disagree with you....but you are welcome to prove the Scriptures are not True, since that is your claim.

just like It even tells us right, there really is no other reason to ref the Book of Truth in Scripture imo.

You appear to be claiming opposites.

anyway, to your point, Quote "Holy Bible" in English and we'll move on i guess

Would sign-language be okay with you?

LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

but you are welcome to prove the Scriptures are not True, since that is your claim.

ah, was that my claim?

Would sign-language be okay with you?

ha sure, Esperanto if you like i guess lol
have a nice weekend

 

[Taken]

ah, was that my claim?

Post #183
Scripture is not the book of Truth...

If not your claim, do you care to reveal what you mean?

ha sure, Esperanto if you like i guess lol

Not too bad to be hopeful!

Pretty much world-wide anyone can understand the very basic unspoken "wave of the hand" "as a hello or good bye intent"....except for the blind.

have a nice weekend

Thank you, you as well.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

If not your claim, do you care to reveal what you mean?

um, what i mean?

Word is Truth, and Scripture is not the Book of Truth, just like It even tells us right

i really didn't draw any conclusions here, so i would have to ask which part are you contesting? The Book of Truth is referenced in Daniel, Daniel 10:21 Lexicon: "However, I will tell you what is inscribed in the writing of truth. Yet there is no one who stands firmly with me against these forces except Michael your prince., and imo you cannot state any "truth" from Scripture (using the term in the human def now) that is not contrasted by a different "truth," dunno if you were here for that one but you can give it a shot if you want, a statement of truth is like "all circles are round," like that,
"Absolute truth is something that is true at all times and in all places. It is something that is always true no matter what the circumstances. It is a fact that cannot be changed. For example, there are no round squares."

Not too bad to be hopeful!

Pretty much world-wide anyone can understand the very basic unspoken "wave of the hand" "as a hello or good bye intent"....except for the blind.

ah ok gotcha, i think. This is bc you could not find "Holy Bible" anywhere, i take it? You are like agreeing there i guess?
Or maybe i am lost, sry

 

[Taken]

um, what i mean?
i really didn't draw any conclusions here, so i would have to ask which part are you contesting? The Book of Truth is referenced in Daniel, Daniel 10:21 Lexicon: "However, I will tell you what is inscribed in the writing of truth. Yet there is no one who stands firmly with me against these forces except Michael your prince.,

Don't see particularly "BOOK of Truth", but rather...said

"Scripture of Truth"...KJV

and imo you cannot state any "truth" from Scripture (using the term in the human def now) that is not contrasted by a different "truth," dunno if you were here for that one but you can give it a shot if you want, a statement of truth is like "all circles are round," like that,
"Absolute truth is something that is true at all times and in all places. It is something that is always true no matter what the circumstances. It is a fact that cannot be changed. For example, there are no round squares."

Yes.
Absolute truth does not Change.
God does not Change.
His word does not Change.
Men Change...

Scripture does not Change.

Scripture that "applicable to men" Changes.

ah ok gotcha, i think. This is bc you could not find "Holy Bible" anywhere, i take it? You are like agreeing there i guess?
Or maybe i am lost, sry

The Bible is a "collection" of writings.

Writings were Directed, by God to Moses to Write for a memorial and teaching purpose.
Ex 17:14


Does God Himself need say His direction and revelations are Sacred and Holy?

No. It is the testimony of men who Believe what Gods says, directs, reveals, approves is to Them, Sacred and Holy.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Don't see particularly "BOOK of Truth", but rather...said

"Scripture of Truth"...KJV

"scroll" works too i guess, but the Bible is still not what is being reffed

No.

ok, ty

 

[Taken]

"scroll" works too i guess, but the Bible is still not what is being reffed

S-plane pls

 

[amadeus]

Jesus is eternally God. Only heretics think otherwise.

Only heretics! That is your belief or opinion or presumption, but what does God say about it? Who would not be hard pressed to find one verse of scripture that expresses that with no other possible understandings? The only Way we can get there [to a place of better understanding] is to follow God as He leads us.

 

[Dave L]

Only heretics! That is your belief or opinion or presumption, but what does God say about it? Who would not be hard pressed to find one verse of scripture that expresses that with no other possible understandings? The only Way we can get there [to a place of better understanding] is to follow God as He leads us.

“Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5)

 

[amadeus]

“Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5)

That verse does not say that Jesus is eternally God. Neither does it explain what a heretic is.

As for me I am a believer in God and in His Son. For me a heretic is one who knows the truth but proceeds to purposely to deny it. Can a person who is ignorant of the truth be a heretic in the eyes of God?

 

[Dave L]

That verse does not say that Jesus is eternally God. Neither does it explain what a heretic is.

As or me I am a believer in God and in His Son. For me a heretic is one who knows the truth but proceeds to purposely to deny it. Can a person who is ignorant of the truth be a heretic in the eyes of God?

If God is eternal, and Jesus is God, doesn't that make him eternal?

“A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.” (Titus 3:10–11)

Heretick 141. αἱρετικός hairĕtikŏs, hahee-ret-ee-kos´; from the same as 140; a schismatic:—heretic [the Gr. word itself].
142. αἴρω airō, ah´ee-ro; a prim. verb; to lift; by impl. to take up or away; fig. to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin:—away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).


Strong, J. (2009). A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Vol. 1, p. 8).

 

[bbyrd009]

note the conflation of "eternal" and "immortal," an obvious sign

No.

ok,

S-plane pls

well, iow the Book of Truth is also a book, so yes one will see it described as "Scripture" possibly, but it is the kurios argument all over again imo, the Book of Truth or the Scripture of Truth, or the Scroll of Truth, none of these are the Bible nor Torah, as Daniel makes plain

 

[Taken]

note the conflation of "eternal" and "immortal," an obvious sign

ok,

well, iow the Book of Truth is also a book, so yes one will see it described as "Scripture" possibly, but it is the kurios argument all over again imo, the Book of Truth or the Scripture of Truth, or the Scroll of Truth, none of these are the Bible nor Torah, as Daniel makes plain

It seems you have searched with in the Holy Bible, for a "BOOK", called the "BOOK OF TRUTH", as others have searched for other Books, (mentioned by Particular names) called by particular Titles.

Throughout History as men were born, and events occured, and more was discovered and learned, additional writings made....

That resulted in additional scrolls.
Scrolls written into book, Books copied by hand and distributed to other Temples, Clans, Tribes.

Books combined and retitled, identified with Chapters and numbered Verses for the ease of reading and reference.

Nothing is left out, that a man needs to know Gods Truth of Him, or of How a man can become restore unto Him.

Not sure what you think the Bible is missing, or perhaps think is not True in the Bible.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Not sure what you think the Bible is missing, or perhaps think is not True in the Bible.

ah, i didn't imply any of these things, i only meant to say that we know of a Book of Truth, and the Bible is not It.
Not that the Bible is not good for everything It advertises, i agree that It is. Plenty of supporting Scripture for this too

 

[Taken]

ah, i didn't imply any of these things, i only meant to say that we know of a Book of Truth, and the Bible is not It.

Oh... well then why bring up this Book of Truth you speak of, as if it holds importance, but yet speak of nothing to where this Book is?

Not that the Bible is not good for everything It advertises, i agree that It is. Plenty of supporting Scripture for this too

Well that's a relief! Since that is the Book I call Truth.

Your Turn...Identify the book you call your Book of Truth.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amadeus]

If God is eternal, and Jesus is God, doesn't that make him eternal?

According to your definitions of God and/or eternal you might be correct, but what is God saying to us in the scriptures?

To make the scriptures fit their own misunderstandings or lack of understanding men it seems have decided that a trinity is necessary. The error may have started elsewhere but it [the trinity] certainly seems to fit as the beginning of a continuing delusion. Most of us here agree there is only One God as per any set of scriptures that any of us accept written under God's inspiration... But somewhere or somewhen Jesus was the beginning of the creation of God [Rev 3:14]. Many people call him God, but if he is then our commonly accepted definition of God must be error...

"And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom" Heb 1:6-8

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." John 14:28

So then we may see the type or shadow of Jesus to God [his Father], here:


"Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou." Gen 41:40


So then Jesus is God or god but he is so because the One God made him so. Jesus is god like the Israelites are gods [ Psalm 82:6 ] or like you and I may also be gods... when and if we become like him or Him. [I John 3:2]

“A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.” (Titus 3:10–11)

Heretick 141. αἱρετικός hairĕtikŏs, hahee-ret-ee-kos´; from the same as 140; a schismatic:—heretic [the Gr. word itself].
142. αἴρω airō, ah´ee-ro; a prim. verb; to lift; by impl. to take up or away; fig. to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin:—away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).


Strong, J. (2009). A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Vol. 1, p. 8).

Your definition is meaningless if you don't explain what you mean with your usage. Is every ignorant unbeliever a heretic, or are heretics only those who cause a division among believers by their insistence on doing what they know to be wrong? Or perhaps you are using another definition for by what you have posted from Strong's I still don't know. If you do know, please enlighten me so I know what it is you are saying that I am. Am I only perhaps a heretic because I disagree with you or with the views of that set of theologians you seem to esteem more highly than the Holy Spirit within?

Do you understand why I have difficulty with your position?

 

[Dave L]

According to your definitions of God and/or eternal you might be correct, but what is God saying to us in the scriptures?

To make the scriptures fit their own misunderstandings or lack of understanding men it seems have decided that a trinity is necessary. The error may have started elsewhere but it [the trinity] certainly seems to fit as the beginning of a continuing delusion. Most of us here agree there is only One God as per any set of scriptures that any of us accept written under God's inspiration... But somewhere or somewhen Jesus was the beginning of the creation of God [Rev 3:14]. Many people call him God, but if he is then our commonly accepted definition of God must be error...

"And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom" Heb 1:6-8

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." John 14:28

So then we may see the type or shadow of Jesus to God [his Father], here:


"Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou." Gen 41:40


So then Jesus is God or god but he is so because the One God made him so. Jesus is god like the Israelites are gods [ Psalm 82:6 ] or like you and I may also be gods... when and if we become like him or Him. [I John 3:2]

Your definition is meaningless if you don't explain what you mean with your usage. Is every ignorant unbeliever a heretic, or are heretics only those who cause a division among believers by their insistence on doing what they know to be wrong? Or perhaps you are using another definition for by what you have posted from Strong's I still don't know. If you do know, please enlighten me so I know what it is you are saying that I am. Am I only perhaps a heretic because I disagree with you or with the views of that set of theologians you seem to esteem more highly than the Holy Spirit within?

Do you understand why I have difficulty with your position?

You are wrong on all counts. Jesus IS God if you care to study the proof.

“as we wait for the happy fulfillment of our hope in the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.” (Titus 2:13)

“From Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ, have been granted a faith just as precious as ours.” (2 Peter 1:1)

“Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5)