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[Enoch111]

"Heaven" is right here...just out of sight...

No one can imagine in their wildest fantasies that "Heaven is right here". And the Bible makes it crystal clear that Heaven is NOT right here.

It is "out of sight" only because it is a totally different realm and located outside this universe.

 

[Jun2u]

Jun2u said: ↑
Not quite. If Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world, then no one can be put to hell, yet Scripture declares hell will heavily be populated. Jesus redeemed and paid for the sins of all born-again believers only (Matthew 1:21).

1 John 2:2, and you cannot Quote anyone in Tartarus that i am aware of wadr

Jun2u said: ↑
It is not the belief rather the "trust" that I hold God will finish the work He started to save me. And, yes a born-again believer goes to be with the Lord after death (2 Corinthians 5:8).

Hell is NOT a place it is a condition.

so, you are quoting Paul as having said "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" i guess, ok

Yes, as the Holy Spirit moved him.

To God Be The Glory

 

[GodsGrace]

Jun2u said: ↑
Not quite. If Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world, then no one can be put to hell, yet Scripture declares hell will heavily be populated. Jesus redeemed and paid for the sins of all born-again believers only (Matthew 1:21).



Jun2u said: ↑
It is not the belief rather the "trust" that I hold God will finish the work He started to save me. And, yes a born-again believer goes to be with the Lord after death (2 Corinthians 5:8).

Hell is NOT a place it is a condition.



Yes, as the Holy Spirit moved him.

To God Be The Glory

You sure do know a lot about where heaven is and where hell is.
Is this taught by calvinist teachers?
How could they be sure what or where it is?

 

[Jun2u]

yes, so iow anyone who becomes "saved" in the common understanding we as Western Christians all hold is now immediately also made into someone who cannot possibly sin, just like the v apparently says right

! John 3:9 is NOT an apparent verse. It is the word of God.

When anyone is saved he has been given eternal life at the moment of conversion. However, only in his soul has he been saved, hence in his soul existence, which is born from above, he does not sin or cannot sin.

On the other hand, his body has not been saved as yet until the last day when it is resurrected. In the meantime, while he lives the rest of his life on earth, he will continue to sin as his body is still unsaved. Paul cried, “O wretched man that I am who will save me from the Body of this death?” SEE Romans 7:15-25.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Helen]

It is "out of sight" only because it is a totally different realm and located outside this universe.

...and then you blew it ..."and located outside this universe."

LOCATED ????? Oh come on...Heaven cannot be "located" and it is out of the REALM of "this universe" Heaven is a spiritual realm.
Nothing to do with this realm or universe at all....

If we were able to take a rocket which took us far outside of, and passed this realm...no way could we "locate" heaven!!!!
I'm amazed you really believe that!! It is not a spiritual universe far beyond our universe ...That sounds crazy. No one can just travel far enough out of this realm into the spiritual realm...if so every Tom and or Harry could do that...who needs Jesus?

 

[GodsGrace]

! John 3:9 is NOT an apparent verse. It is the word of God.

When anyone is saved he has been given eternal life at the moment of conversion. However, only in his soul has he been saved, hence in his soul existence, which is born from above, he does not sin or cannot sin.

On the other hand, his body has not been saved as yet until the last day when it is resurrected. In the meantime, while he lives the rest of his life on earth, he will continue to sin as his body is still unsaved. Paul cried, “O wretched man that I am who will save me from the Body of this death?” SEE Romans 7:15-25.

To God Be The Glory

You sound like a gnostic.
Your body sins
but YOU don't.

Do you know what a BODY OF DEATH was back when that was written?

 

[Jun2u]

You sure do know a lot about where heaven is and where hell is.
Is this taught by calvinist teachers?
How could they be sure what or where it is?

John 17:1 reads: “These words spake Jesus, and he lifted up his eyes to heaven, Father...” Yes, heaven is somewhere up there in the third (definite) heaven (2 Corinthians 12:24}.

No, not by Calvinist teachers only, but all born-again believers.

Here you go “bearing false witness” again after you promised not to mention Calvin as I’ve told you I know of him but not his writings. Why do you hate Cavin so much?

How could they be sure what or where it is?

By reading Scripture which apparently you don’t.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Zachary]

Please read the preceding post addressed to CoreIssue.

I did ... and I must warn you ... you have been (and are now) totally deceived!
.

 

[Enoch111]

It is not a spiritual universe far beyond our universe ...That sounds crazy.

Well, in that case the whole Bible is *crazy*. Evidently you have failed to study the doctrine of Heaven from Scripture. So this should be your next assignment.

 

[Jun2u]

You sound like a gnostic.

First, you accuse me of being a Calvinist, now a Gnostic, when will it stop? If you think my theology is wrong why not tell me and give your reasons?

Your body sins

Yes, my body still lusts after sin since it has not been saved as yet. You cannot separate the body from an individual!! They are welded together, see?

Do you know what a BODY OF DEATH was back when that was written?

You tell me since you think you know?

To God Be The Glory

 

[Enoch111]

Hell is NOT a place it is a condition.

According to the Bible Hell (the Lake of Fire) is very DEFINITELY a place. Obviously the conditions in Hell correspond to its purpose, since Hell was created for the devil and his angels.

Heaven is also very definitely a place and a realm. It is not merely a condition either.

 

[Jun2u]

I did ... and I must warn you ... you have been (and are now) totally deceived!

By CoreIssue or by your standard? Why not expound on why I am deceived?

To God Be The Glory

 

[GodsGrace]

According to the Bible Hell (the Lake of Fire) is very DEFINITELY a place. Obviously the conditions in Hell correspond to its purpose, since Hell was created for the devil and his angels.

Heaven is also very definitely a place and a realm. It is not merely a condition either.

This is interesting.
I tend to agree with Helen and think it's a state of being.
It still would feel like you're there.
How could it be a place? You mean like a different planet somewhere?
I think Jodie Foster went there in Contact - what a good movie.
Paul went there but he wouldn't talk about it.
What about ghosts? Are they real? How come they're still hanging around?
I'm not sure they exist, but some believe this.

People look up to heaven because Jesus went UP.
I don't know...it's an interesting thought.

 

[GodsGrace]

According to the Bible Hell (the Lake of Fire) is very DEFINITELY a place. Obviously the conditions in Hell correspond to its purpose, since Hell was created for the devil and his angels.

Heaven is also very definitely a place and a realm. It is not merely a condition either.

P.S. The lake of fire is at the end of the world.
Then the earth will become new and there really WILL be a place.
I can't talk too much to this since I don't know enough.

 

[CoreIssue]

that

There isn't any kind of condition whereby man can be saved neither by repentance or by acceptance. BTW, accepting the Lord Jesus is NEVER taught in Scripture. You probably mean believe. Even then the devils believe yet they tremble.

Salvation is a gift, not of works lest any man should boast. Repentance and believing is a work that man does and is contrary to Ephesians 2:8-9.

To God Be The Glory

John 8:24 New International Version (NIV)
24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

That is not work.

 

[CoreIssue]

This is interesting.
I tend to agree with Helen and think it's a state of being.
It still would feel like you're there.
How could it be a place? You mean like a different planet somewhere?
I think Jodie Foster went there in Contact - what a good movie.
Paul went there but he wouldn't talk about it.
What about ghosts? Are they real? How come they're still hanging around?
I'm not sure they exist, but some believe this.

People look up to heaven because Jesus went UP.
I don't know...it's an interesting thought.

Hell is off of The Pit and is very real.

Paradise is also off the Pit, but empty.

Heaven is very real.

There are all kinds of theories out there about heaven and hell being in other dimensions, supernatural realms, etc. But all of them say they are very very real.

 

[Jun2u]

According to the Bible Hell (the Lake of Fire) is very DEFINITELY a place. Obviously the conditions in Hell correspond to its purpose, since Hell was created for the devil and his angels

I beg to differ. Have you studied Revelation 20:10 through to Revelation 21:1 If not I'll wait for your interpretation and we'll reason together. If you have then let us hear how you understand these verses.

Heaven is also very definitely a place and a realm. It is not merely a condition either.

I've NEVER said heaven is NOT a place.

To God Be The Glory

 

[GodsGrace]

Hell is off of The Pit and is very real.

Paradise is also off the Pit, but empty.

Heaven is very real.

There are all kinds of theories out there about heaven and hell being in other dimensions, supernatural realms, etc. But all of them say they are very very real.

Oh, I agree that they're real.
But what's The Pit?
Agreed...Paradise is empty.

 

[GodsGrace]

John 8:24 New International Version (NIV)
24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

That is not work.

Amen to that.

 

[Jun2u]

P.S. The lake of fire is at the end of the world.
Then the earth will become new and there really WILL be a place.
I can't talk too much to this since I don't know enough.

Then why say anything?