“...and shall eat her flesh,”

[charity]

'Eat of Him' - How?

* By knowing and acknowledging that the sacrificial work of God, in Christ, is sufficient for us, by His grace: that His work is a finished work, in both word and deed. That we are, in Him, indeed 'holy and without blame' before the Father: for 'our sins have been forgiven us'; and we 'have been redeemed' by the outpouring of the life of the Lord Jesus Christ unto death for us, that we might live. That we have been given the spirit of Sonship whereby we can call the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 'Father'. That we have been 'accepted in the Beloved', made 'complete in Him', and 'made meet to partake of the inheritance of the saints in light'.

We have been brought 'out of darkness into light', out from under the law and dominion of sin and death,' into the law of the spirit of life which is in Christ Jesus'. We have 'the promise of life in Christ Jesus', and 'sin shall no longer have dominion over us'.

* How wonderful is that!!
* We can drink deep, and eat and be satisfied, filled with all he fulness of God in Christ Jesus.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Ephesians 1; Colossians 2:10; Romans 8:2 & 15;
1 Peter 2:9; 2 Corinthians 4:6; Colossians 1:12;
John 7:37; John 7:38; Rev.21:6 - in their context.

i mean, so have the world's right, so wadr who is this "we" and "our" do you think?
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Hello @bbyrd009,
Forgive me for missing this entry of yours. I think you were responding to my reply#37 (quoted above).

* John 3:14-18 gives light upon this I think:-
'And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,
.. even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
.... that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world,
.. that He gave His only begotten Son,
.... that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;
.. but that the world through Him might be saved.
.... He that believeth on Him is not condemned:
...... but he that believeth not is condemned already,
........ because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.'

* So, when I use the words, 'we' and 'our', I am referring to those who have believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

so then we read an image of an ideal, and then include ourselves in it arbitrarily, or via some means anyway, and then we are doing God's will, bada-bing? hmm

Hello @bbyrd009,

I don't quite understand what you mean by this, but if this is also in reply to my reply#37, (quoted at the head of the previous entry) then those things that I listed are the possession of every believer in Christ, and so we are justified in appropriating them to ourselves and praising God for them.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[bbyrd009]

Which are we waiting on? Destruction? Or Restoration?

imo let the Galileans stand there looking up into the sky ok, and don't be waiting for anything

 

[VictoryinJesus]

1. Christians are simply waiting for the Resurrection/Rapture. They will accompany Christ at His second coming, along with the holy angels.

2. God must destroy all that is sinful, evil, and defiled first. See Revelation 6-19.

3. There can only be a New Heavens and a New Earth AFTER this globe and the surrounding atmosphere are supernaturally burned up. See 2 Peter 3.

“supernaturally burned up” yes and is it not already on fire. Read the passages you linked...2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

John 10:10
[10] The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. (not willing that any should perish, but all should come to repentance.) Is this not who we watch and look for...He that gives life and gives it abundantly.

1 Thessalonians 5:2-4
[2] For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. [3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. [4] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Zechariah 3:2-4
[2] And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? [3] Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. [4] And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

Malachi 3:11
[11] And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts. (no weapon formed against you shall prosper...I(God)will rebuke the devourer...and My wrath will pass over you.)

Jude 1:23
[23] And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Revelation 3:18-19
[18] I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. [19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. (As many as I love, I rebuke the devourer...I(God) rebuke destruction and the destroyer.) Who does God rebuke for those He loves?

Luke 9:54-56
[54] And when his disciples James and John saw this , they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? [55] But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. [56] For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them . And they went to another village.

 

[bbyrd009]

* So, when I use the words, 'we' and 'our', I am referring to those who have believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

but wadr this statement will not hold up when you put 4 of "them" on a stage or in a forum and let them start yapping, see, this "we" and "our" disappears then, right. So my position here right now is that when you start hearing "we" in this like ersatz-inclusive mode--is it possible for say a Muslim to be in your "we" there?--that we maybe at least contemplate the many instances of the "we" in Scripture that...do not end well? "We want a king to rule over us" etc.

don't get me wrong, i know you mean this with good intent, the point is to reflect on how we come to ID with a "we."
bc don't take this wrong, but when you really need them and you turn around, that "we" that you think is going to support you? That ends up being when you find out which "we" you are really in, right

 

[VictoryinJesus]

but wadr this statement will not hold up when you put 4 of "them" on a stage or in a forum and let them start yapping, see, this "we" and "our" disappears then, right. So my position here right now is that when you start hearing "we" in this like ersatz-inclusive mode--is it possible for say a Muslim to be in your "we" there?--that we maybe at least contemplate the many instances of the "we" in Scripture that...do not end well? "We want a king to rule over us" etc.

don't get me wrong, i know you mean this with good intent, the point is to reflect on how we come to ID with a "we."
bc don't take this wrong, but when you really need them and you turn around, that "we" that you think is going to support you? That ends up being when you find out which "we" you are really in, right

“We” excludes? You can’t be a member of our secret club.

 

[bbyrd009]

and so we are justified in appropriating them to ourselves

ah, see, here is that "we" again, who are now justified in appropriating stuff and etc
i understand that "we" are taught this, ok, but i suggest that it is a very dangerous doctrine, with plenty of Scripture that suggests otherwise, fwiw. How can pride in your "saved" condition not follow here iow? Precede, even?

where is all the Total Depravity now? Once it has been warped into a weapon to make believers think their works are irrelevant, it is now tossed to inculcate pride in being "a believer in Christ," see, which sounds really worshipful and sanctified and all, only the definition of that is completely subjective right

Yeah, though we walk through the valley of the shadow of death
We all entered the Promised Land
when we all get to heaven
etc

so what is really going on imo is that "we" is inviting us to apply Hegelian dialectic--an implied winner and loser--to our search for God, and then to of course associate ourselves with the perceived winners, the guys who are obviously winning the race, right, which btw even N Koreans perceive themselves as winning

 

[CoreIssue]

So got questions is your authority. Okay. So reading got questions you call personal study, and thus your conclusion becomes self evident?

My authority is the bible and the holy spirit.

I've been studying for 57 years, long before the Internet existed.

I use many sources. But, when I find one I agree with this saves me a lot of time typing I use it.

I guess you'd also be critical of Walter Martin and John Ankerber, in example.

I have a small library of books from the 1800s through the seventies. Books by Christians and cults.

Very educational how the claims of cults and false doctrines have changed over time. How they originated, etc that.

The bible says listen to all and keep what is correct.

Have you study? Unless I'm missing it I don't see many sources from you.

My references in my answers always contain bible verses, linguistics, etc. You have never seen me quote any denomination doctrines as supportive proofs.

 

[bbyrd009]

My authority is the bible and the holy spirit.

i'm sure he feels completely different though right

 

[CoreIssue]

i'm sure he feels completely different though right

Obviously.

 

[Helen]

There can only be a New Heavens and a New Earth AFTER this globe and the surrounding atmosphere are supernaturally burned up. See 2 Peter 3.

Yes indeed...a new spiritual heaven and spiritual earth right?
We are spirit beings living in a house of clay....but that will all pass away and God spiritual glorious kingdom will come in it's fullness.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes indeed...a new spiritual heaven and spiritual earth right?
We are spirit beings living in a house of clay....but that will all pass away and God spiritual glorious kingdom will come in it's fullness.

right in here somewhere is where i like to remind ppl that if they were able to go back and describe their current world to their great-grandparents, they might get burned for a witch lol

"it is all passing away" (right now) we can find though right

 

[bbyrd009]

Obviously.

lol yes, obviously

 

[CoreIssue]

Yes indeed...a new spiritual heaven and spiritual earth right?
We are spirit beings living in a house of clay....but that will all pass away and God spiritual glorious kingdom will come in it's fullness.

Now that is not quite true. Bible makes it clear they will physical.

We will be rejoined with our flesh or raptured in it. Then it will be glorified as Christ's flesh is now glorified.

Heaven is the air around us, the first heaven. There's no mention of the second and third heavens in eternity.

God will live in New Jerusalem with us.

Even the damned in the lake are resurrected.

 

[Helen]

Now that is not quite true. Bible makes it clear they will physical.

We will be rejoined with our flesh or raptured in it. Then it will be glorified as Christ's flesh is now glorified.

Heaven is the air around us, the first heaven. There's no mention of the second and third heavens in eternity.

God will live in New Jerusalem with us.

Even the damned in the lake are resurrected.

Nah! Sorry, cannot go there with you....no way, no how.
"You" are not a flesh and blood being...the "you" that you are is a spirit being... who gives a rip about the body part that is our 'vehicle' while we are on this earth...traveling through.

 

[CoreIssue]

Nah! Sorry, cannot go there with you....no way, no how.
"You" are not a flesh and blood being...the "you" that you are is a spirit being... who gives a rip about the body part that is our 'vehicle' while we are on this earth...traveling through.

Where did I say blood?

What do you think is resurrected at the rapture? What is glorified? Our spirits are already purified by the baptism of the holy spirit. Are you pushing soul sleep?

We will be complete beings all flesh and spirit, just like Christ.

When Christ appeared to the apostles they thought he was a ghost. By he proved to them he had flesh.

 

[Helen]

What do you think is resurrected at the rapture? What is glorified? Our spirits are already purified by the baptism of the holy spirit. Are you pushing soul sleep?

We will be complete beings all flesh and spirit, just like Christ.

When Christ appeared to the apostles they thought he was a ghost. By he proved to them he had flesh.

Well , we can't discuss the "rapture"...not if you believe in some 'flying away up in the clouds'. I do not believe in that. Many will be sadly disappointed. But that is not the subject of this thread.
In fact this thread has moved very far from Victory's OP and questions!!

No, not at all, I do not hold with "soul sleep" at all.
I know where you are coming from with the "spiritual flesh" in the kingdom. I understand...but it is one of the things I "hold lightly"...I am not persuaded enough just yet.

 

[charity]

ah, see, here is that "we" again, who are now justified in appropriating stuff and etc
i understand that "we" are taught this, ok, but i suggest that it is a very dangerous doctrine, with plenty of Scripture that suggests otherwise, fwiw. How can pride in your "saved" condition not follow here iow? Precede, even?

where is all the Total Depravity now? Once it has been warped into a weapon to make believers think their works are irrelevant, it is now tossed to inculcate pride in being "a believer in Christ," see, which sounds really worshipful and sanctified and all, only the definition of that is completely subjective right

Yeah, though we walk through the valley of the shadow of death
We all entered the Promised Land
when we all get to heaven
etc

so what is really going on imo is that "we" is inviting us to apply Hegelian dialectic--an implied winner and loser--to our search for God, and then to of course associate ourselves with the perceived winners, the guys who are obviously winning the race, right, which btw even N Koreans perceive themselves as winning

but wadr this statement will not hold up when you put 4 of "them" on a stage or in a forum and let them start yapping, see, this "we" and "our" disappears then, right. So my position here right now is that when you start hearing "we" in this like ersatz-inclusive mode--is it possible for say a Muslim to be in your "we" there?--that we maybe at least contemplate the many instances of the "we" in Scripture that...do not end well? "We want a king to rule over us" etc.

don't get me wrong, i know you mean this with good intent, the point is to reflect on how we come to ID with a "we."
bc don't take this wrong, but when you really need them and you turn around, that "we" that you think is going to support you? That ends up being when you find out which "we" you are really in, right

Hello @bbyrd009,

OK, I shall take the 'we' out of my vocabulary.

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[CoreIssue]

Well , we can't discuss the "rapture"...not if you believe in some 'flying away up in the clouds'. I do not believe in that. Many will be sadly disappointed. But that is not the subject of this thread.
In fact this thread has moved very far from Victory's OP and questions!!

No, not at all, I do not hold with "soul sleep" at all.
I know where you are coming from with the "spiritual flesh" in the kingdom. I understand...but it is one of the things I "hold lightly"...I am not persuaded enough just yet.

I never said spiritual flesh. Why do you keep changing what I said?

And where you get lonely spirit beings in eternity? What do you do with all of the verses resurrection? The current living saints meeting Christ in the air? The tribulation?

Sorry, but your a total puzzle in much of what to say.

 

[bbyrd009]

OK, I shall take the 'we' out of my vocabulary.

if you are comfortable including yourself in some we then i would not stop, ok