Muslim Beheadings

[CoreIssue]

so like i said, if you want a fight there it is, go fight them, and pretend they are throwing rocks at tanks because they are evil if you like, idc

Tell the family of the dead vets and the vets and families who have lost limbs how they were just throwing rocks.

You don't seem to understand that rocks can kill, blind, etc as well.

 

[Hidden In Him]

it's called bigotry, Islamophobia, dress it up how you like, but counselling is provided for ppl with those povs ok.

So not only are you doubling down on your accusation that I hate Muslims, but now you're adding to it that I need counseling? Do you believe all Christians who believe Islam may fulfill the prophecies spoken in Revelation "need counseling"? And what if the state mandates this because we are deemed mentally ill? Will you support them in this decision?

the Bible tells us that many will come from east and west and sit with Abraham in the kingdom, and ol' Abe is not a Christian either, ok.
good day

You are now making the argument that because the Old Testament saints and prophets were not "Christians" that God sees them in the same light as He does Muslims?

"this brand of Muslim" is where you are condemned as soon as you say that Hitler was not a Christian tho, see

I've heard you make this argument numerous times; it is where you came in. It is why I asked if such an argument effectively cancels out the ability of Christians to call attention to anyone's sins.

 

[bbyrd009]

Tell the family of the dead vets and the vets and families who have lost limbs how they were just throwing rocks.

You don't seem to understand that rocks can kill, blind, etc as well.

it's not that i don't feel pity for the vets, ok, i do, but they chose whom they would serve and ostensibly so have those reading this.
So imo my empathy must be for the oppressed here, bc i chose too, and right now it is mostly for all those who have made professions of faith here who also believe they can serve two masters, or judge another man's servant wadr.

And any posing and teachers will be getting it dbl imo when they are asked "in that case give us a brief summary of the Hegelian dialectic as concerns your professed faith" and cant give a meaningful reply, or worse, can

 

[bbyrd009]

Making "Christianity" the standard is evil of itself, ok

if you think a single Muslim needs your help to find Jesus you have a spiritual problem at your core, in your premises;
the things that you naturally assume must be Absolute Truth, to the point it would be ridiculous to even discuss any alternative, are the things that need to change the most.

And these ppl always call the Bible Word, btw, for the exact same reason. It does no good to call the Bible Word and then come here and make hypocritical words seem like they came from someone who treasures the Bible, or Word, seems self-evident enough to me. And while we're at it get a better def of Scripture too, Scripture does not mean Bible, and you are hindering yourself if you believe it is, compelling Scriptural argument on request ok.

Now if you have a personal complaint against Muslims then lodge it but when you find that you don't, let the deceived Hegelians go and fight the devil and call it Christianity while you stay home and learn the truth, or even better yet man up and actually do what Jesus--your god, right--said to do and take your divided a...self, both of them field guys, and visit that town, stay in one house, and eat what they feed you.

You eat way too much pork anyway! :)

and trust me now and read it later, ok, if they will not hear what you have to say shake the dust off your feet as you leave is a dialectic statement revolving around "hear" that has a hidden barb in it you are not aware of yet, simply bc your silly a...self has now been progged to believe that you are all ready to be a Teacher, and this is like what mission number 1 on the list lol. When they don't wanna hear what you have to say it is bc you have a problem lol, not them, as other Scripture will even make plain. otherwise you picked a Samaritan, or went in the way of a Gentile, and these are great things btw, not terrible at all, go do every single one lol, i sure did

 

[amadeus]

@bbyrd009 , it appears I'm now giving Amadeus a bit of a hard time over something he didn't say but you did. Maybe I should be discussing this with you instead (although I'd rather not, LoL). How about if you respond to Post #72. Keep in mind I hold no animosities towards you whatsoever, but feel it is unwarranted to depict me this way simply because I am making the case that this brand of Muslim - the kind that executes violence against infidels - is increasing in the earth, not diminishing. I don't see it as unfeasible that they could become the majority at some point, especially when those who feel like the Palestinians do about the Jews do not yet have power over them to do with them as they wish.

It's been a long time ago now, but one thing I remember in my Spanish studies was in the history of Spain: The Muslim conquerors of that land were more generous and "Christian-like" in their treatment of the non-muslim population over which they had the mastery which included both Christians and Jews than the native Christians of Spain ever were to any not of their faith. Of course that is only history for whatever it is worth.

Beheading is deplorable, whoever is doing it. I generally avoid discussions about the Muslims because for many here it is simply a done thing without having facts from both sides the fence that will tell us the truth of what is happening. Me condemning Muslims or supporting them is not going to change whatever is happening. What I know for certain is that many "Christians" are not very Christ-like. Are they better or worse than Muslims in general? How would I know the answer to that question? Who am I to believe? Do you really suppose that the news media have fairly presented all of the facts.

Remember that I was on active duty in the US Army in Viet Nam as well as in the Dominican Republic after that. I know that our government puts out a good tale of propaganda. They may not have just one Goebbels as the chief honcho, but probably in effectiveness in some ways they put that man to shame.

Regarding all these things I guess we stand with Pontius Pilate on his question: What is truth?
The only truth to be trusted always is that represented by and embodied in the Son of God. Going into a lot of other details according to man's daily troubles with the Muslims or Communists or the Nazis helps whom? What is needed is a love for God. Do we suppose that exposing the evil of our nation's enemies will make us love God? Is that what Jesus did or what he taught?

LoL. Amadeus, in case you missed it, his first post to me on this thread was as follows:

@bbyrd009

bbyrd009 said:
not at all, and the op does not realize it yet but what he is really doing is saying
"Hitler was not only a Christian, he is my kinda guy!"

He is here likening me to a Neo-NAZI skinhead who wants to see violence come to Muslims. I have testified before the Lord Jesus Christ to him before and do so again now that I hold no hatred for any man in my heart, and would forgive my murderers even if my throat were put to the knife by them. Yet this is how he depicts me. If he is called to do this, then God somehow wants him serving the Accuser, LoL.

No, I believe that he was emphasizing the same thing I am. He just takes a different approach: What is truth? That some Christians are probably worse than some Muslims? So because we are Americans and we supposed to be Christians we should always believe and support the Americans over everyone else? Where are these ugly Americans? Where are these ugly Christians? They must be better than the best Muslims, right?

Don't take it as a personal insult... but also don't be too quick to presume that Americans and even Christians [so labeled] are in the place that we should be.

Btw, my apologies for the hand signals but this picture most resembles what I was looking for. And now that I look at it, this is indeed fairly accurate. I see no ministry in it. I see it as blatant false accusation and slander of a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Perhaps we should leave that criticism for our friend @bbyrd009 to answer. Maybe there is nothing edifying in his words, but who is being edified by lumping all Muslims together as not just the bad guys, but as the worst guys?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Who is being edified by lumping all Muslims together as not just the bad guys, but as the worst guys?

It would appear I'm being terribly misunderstood, LoL, and with no end in sight. And it started with blatant accusation, which he has not backed off of but is now doubling down on, and adding that I am mentally ill (see Post #75).

 

[CoreIssue]

It's been a long time ago now, but one thing I remember in my Spanish studies was in the history of Spain: The Muslim conquerors of that land were more generous and "Christian-like" in their treatment of the non-muslim population over which they had the mastery which included both Christians and Jews than the native Christians of Spain ever were to any not of their faith. Of course that is only history for whatever it is worth.

Beheading is deplorable, whoever is doing it. I generally avoid discussions about the Muslims because for many here it is simply a done thing without having facts from both sides the fence that will tell us the truth of what is happening. Me condemning Muslims or supporting them is not going to change whatever is happening. What I know for certain is that many "Christians" are not very Christ-like. Are they better or worse than Muslims in general? How would I know the answer to that question? Who am I to believe? Do you really suppose that the news media have fairly presented all of the facts.

Remember that I was on active duty in the US Army in Viet Nam as well as in the Dominican Republic after that. I know that our government puts out a good tale of propaganda. They may not have just one Goebbels as the chief honcho, but probably in effectiveness in some ways they put that man to shame.

Regarding all these things I guess we stand with Pontius Pilate on his question: What is truth?
The only truth to be trusted always is that represented by and embodied in the Son of God. Going into a lot of other details according to man's daily troubles with the Muslims or Communists or the Nazis helps whom? What is needed is a love for God. Do we suppose that exposing the evil of our nation's enemies will make us love God? Is that what Jesus did or what he taught?



@bbyrd009



No, I believe that he was emphasizing the same thing I am. He just takes a different approach: What is truth? That some Christians are probably worse than some Muslims? So because we are Americans and we supposed to be Christians we should always believe and support the Americans over everyone else? Where are these ugly Americans? Where are these ugly Christians? They must be better than the best Muslims, right?

Don't take it as a personal insult... but also don't be too quick to presume that Americans and even Christians [so labeled] are in the place that we should be.


Perhaps we should leave that criticism for our friend @bbyrd009 to answer. Maybe there is nothing edifying in his words, but who is being edified by lumping all Muslims together as not just the bad guys, but as the worst guys?

I would just remind you under the Muslim empires Christians and Jews had to wear special colored scarfs to identify them and they did not enjoy civil protection under the law.

Remember, Spain was the seat of the Spanish Inquisition.

You have to judge each separately.

And as you know I worked intelligence for NAM, so I am aware of more issues with our government then you. But still cannot say the Muslims were better.

 

[Enoch111]

It would appear I'm being terribly misunderstood, LoL, and with no end in sight.

As you can see, it was a serious mistake to post this thread and its graphic images. I did not respond initially for that very reason.

...but who is being edified by lumping all Muslims together as not just the bad guys, but as the worst guys?

Amadeus, have you ever read a translation of the Koran in English? Have you ever read the pronouncements of Radical Muslims and Jihadists against infidels, the West, Christians, and Jews?

Whether you like it or not, no Muslim will oppose what the Koran says about Christians and Jews, or about Jesus. And when push comes to shove, no Muslim will publicly denounce the Jihadists. So in the end they must all be lumped together. Islam was created by Satan to oppose the Gospel, and the Koran deliberately perverts Bible revelation.

The Muslim world is at war with the West and Christianity, and looks like they are winning. Western politicians are capitulating to Islam and Muslims while attacking the Bible and Christianity. Europe and the UK now have huge numbers of Muslims, and North America is also being inundated with radical mosques.

 

[amadeus]

It would appear I'm being terribly misunderstood, LoL, and with no end in sight. And it started with blatant accusation, which he has not backed off of but is now doubling down on, and adding that I am mentally ill (see Post #75).

I am not trying to critique you or anyone. I was trying explain my understanding of bbryd and my own beliefs about the Muslim situation. I apologize for any personal criticisms of you. I did not read carefully all of your posts here... This is one reason I usually avoid this subject. Personalities will clash. I may understand the reason, but when I give it then I am in the middle of what I want to avoid.

 

[amadeus]

As you can see, it was a serious mistake to post this thread and its graphic images. I did not respond initially for that very reason.

Amadeus, have you ever read a translation of the Koran in English? Have you ever read the pronouncements of Radical Muslims and Jihadists against infidels, the West, Christians, and Jews?

Whether you like it or not, no Muslim will oppose what the Koran says about Christians and Jews, or about Jesus. And when push comes to shove, no Muslim will publicly denounce the Jihadists. So in the end they must all be lumped together. Islam was created by Satan to oppose the Gospel, and the Koran deliberately perverts Bible revelation.

The Muslim world is at war with the West and Christianity, and looks like they are winning. Western politicians are capitulating to Islam and Muslims while attacking the Bible and Christianity. Europe and the UK now have huge numbers of Muslims, and North America is also being inundated with radical mosques.

People are still people. Some were born into families of Muslim background even as some were born into families of Christian background. I disagree with your conclusion but not for the reason you would think. You did not answer my question about who is edified?

 

[Naomi25]

No, I did not miss your point. I was simply amplifying with my own.
Give God the glory!

Amplifying? I'm not sure about that. It seems to me that you were saying that none of us, in our own ways, are better than Hitler.
Now, I grant you, before God, sin is sin. But the bible seems to indicate that God will punish accordingly, what each and every person has done (Psalm 62:12; Proverbs 24:12; Jeremiah 17:10; Ezekiel 18:20, 30; Romans 2:5–16; 1 Corinthians 3:8, 11–15; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Colossians 3:23–25; 1 Peter 1:17; Revelation 20:12).

So, we could probably debate until the cows come home who is the more unrighteous; Hitler and his Nazis, or those who, hating war, went out anyway to stop Hitler and his Nazi atrocities coming to their own shores.
There are times and places in this life that Christians are called to turn the other cheek, to go out and risk life and limb for the sake of the gospel.
But one could just as soon argue that because good men took up arms, that nations were founded on biblical principles and generations were raised with the free knowledge of God. Were you aware of just how much America does in the area of aid and missions...based purely on the Christians churches? How many missionaries have been sent forth from your Country alone?

The problem, as I see it, with saying "is anyone better than Hitler, as we're ALL sinners?", is that, while techincally true, in a biblical sense, you are blurring the line between right and wrong. Born again believers are still sinners. ISIS members are sinners. Thus, we are the same. Wrong, absolutely wrong. There is a divide, a massive, massive divide. First, the bible is clear that morality exists; right and wrong. The common grace of conscience proves it, and we have daily evidence that those belonging to ISIS and other terrorists groups don't have that. They happily rape, torture and kill. The second difference is, of course, the hope born again believers have in grace, and the new life that becomes more and more evident in their lives as they go along. And because of Christ, we have right standing before God.

 

[amadeus]

I would just remind you under the Muslim empires Christians and Jews had to wear special colored scarfs to identify them and they did not enjoy civil protection under the law.

Remember, Spain was the seat of the Spanish Inquisition.

You have to judge each separately.

And as you know I worked intelligence for NAM, so I am aware of more issues with our government then you. But still cannot say the Muslims were better.

I don't say anyone was better. That is my point. If anyone is righteous now in the eyes of God, is it not because he has surrendered to God and God has given him Life? As for the world of men outside the arms of God, are they not already dead in any case?

 

[CoreIssue]

I don't say anyone was better. That is my point. If anyone is righteous now in the eyes of God, is it not because he has surrendered to God and God has given him Life? As for the world of men outside the arms of God, are they not already dead in any case?

I just think you trying to reduce it to two of a simple formula.

Even in the Bible God has allowed different degrees of problems from saints.

God sets the limits and we don't know where all of them are.

 

[amadeus]

Amplifying? I'm not sure about that. It seems to me that you were saying that none of us, in our own ways, are better than Hitler.
Now, I grant you, before God, sin is sin. But the bible seems to indicate that God will punish accordingly, what each and every person has done (Psalm 62:12; Proverbs 24:12; Jeremiah 17:10; Ezekiel 18:20, 30; Romans 2:5–16; 1 Corinthians 3:8, 11–15; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Colossians 3:23–25; 1 Peter 1:17; Revelation 20:12).

So, we could probably debate until the cows come home who is the more unrighteous; Hitler and his Nazis, or those who, hating war, went out anyway to stop Hitler and his Nazi atrocities coming to their own shores.
There are times and places in this life that Christians are called to turn the other cheek, to go out and risk life and limb for the sake of the gospel.
But one could just as soon argue that because good men took up arms, that nations were founded on biblical principles and generations were raised with the free knowledge of God. Were you aware of just how much America does in the area of aid and missions...based purely on the Christians churches? How many missionaries have been sent forth from your Country alone?

The problem, as I see it, with saying "is anyone better than Hitler, as we're ALL sinners?", is that, while techincally true, in a biblical sense, you are blurring the line between right and wrong. Born again believers are still sinners. ISIS members are sinners. Thus, we are the same. Wrong, absolutely wrong. There is a divide, a massive, massive divide. First, the bible is clear that morality exists; right and wrong. The common grace of conscience proves it, and we have daily evidence that those belonging to ISIS and other terrorists groups don't have that. They happily rape, torture and kill. The second difference is, of course, the hope born again believers have in grace, and the new life that becomes more and more evident in their lives as they go along. And because of Christ, we have right standing before God.

As the flesh and those in its ways see it, there are certainly differences between people, but in the end of the matter my point is that only God's view matters. Everyone not with Him is already dead... be he a Hitler or an apparently lesser offender.

I am certainly aware of many things my country is doing... some perhaps good and some perhaps not. This will not change God's proper judgment on each according to what he has been given.

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

The best thing about this judgment is that God has ALL of the facts and He judges fairly. What more should we ask of Him?

 

[amadeus]

I just think you trying to reduce it to two of a simple formula.

Even in the Bible God has allowed different degrees of problems from saints.

God sets the limits and we don't know where all of them are.

As I just posted to Naomi25 God judges each one in accordance with what God knows the person has been given and what the person has done with what he has been given. We may not understand all of the details, but we may certain that God does. What more should we ask of Him?

 

[Enoch111]

You did not answer my question about who is edified?

This thread was more for warning than edification,and sometimes warnings are as necessary as edification (in the day and age in which we live).

The Western world (and Christians in general) have not really understood the seriousness of the threat posed by Islam to all Christian and Western values (which originally arose from Christianity).

The migrant invasion of Muslims is the first step in establishing the supremacy of Sharia Law. The next step is for Muslims to reproduce at a faster rate and thereby increase their population in the West. Then follows their entrance into Western politics (with no allegiance to the constitutions, but total allegiance to Islam, and this has already happened). Then follows the establishment of a Muslim Caliphate in which people are compelled to become Muslims or face certain death.

Islam already showed its true colors in Europe long ago, when it took control of about half of Europe for approximately 400 years. But Western politicians ignored all the lessons from history and encouraged Muslims to flood the West. Erdogan of Turkey wants to reestablish the Ottoman Empire and he is doing very well by flooding Europe with Turks and so-called refugees. ISIS wanted a Caliphate extending from Iraq to Jordan (and beyond), and they have infiltrated all Western nations.

 

[Hidden In Him]

As you can see, it was a serious mistake to post this thread and its graphic images. I did not respond initially for that very reason.

Nonsense. Even if knew beforehand I would be falsely accused of "hating all Muslims," I would have done it anyway. Does opposition and false accusation mean we as Christians are to shy away? When did it become a sin to post our views on what we believe to be the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy?

 

[amadeus]

This thread was more for warning than edification,and sometimes warnings are as necessary as edification (in the day and age in which we live).

The Western world (and Christians in general) have not really understood the seriousness of the threat posed by Islam to all Christian and Western values (which originally arose from Christianity).

The migrant invasion of Muslims is the first step in establishing the supremacy of Sharia Law. The next step is for Muslims to reproduce at a faster rate and thereby increase their population in the West. Then follows their entrance into Western politics (with no allegiance to the constitutions, but total allegiance to Islam, and this has already happened). Then follows the establishment of a Muslim Caliphate in which people are compelled to become Muslims or face certain death.

Islam already showed its true colors in Europe long ago, when it took control of about half of Europe for approximately 400 years. But Western politicians ignored all the lessons from history and encouraged Muslims to flood the West. Erdogan of Turkey wants to reestablish the Ottoman Empire and he is doing very well by flooding Europe with Turks and so-called refugees. ISIS wanted a Caliphate extending from Iraq to Jordan (and beyond), and they have infiltrated all Western nations.

So be it then. You have given your warning for all who will heed it or need it.

If we are concerned about others who do not yet know the Lord, your concern may have a point, but for those who know the Lord, what is God's will for us?

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matt 10:28

"And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39

 

[Hidden In Him]

Making "Christianity" the standard is evil of itself, ok

if you think a single Muslim needs your help to find Jesus you have a spiritual problem at your core, in your premises;
the things that you naturally assume must be Absolute Truth, to the point it would be ridiculous to even discuss any alternative, are the things that need to change the most.

And these ppl always call the Bible Word, btw, for the exact same reason. It does no good to call the Bible Word and then come here and make hypocritical words seem like they came from someone who treasures the Bible, or Word, seems self-evident enough to me. And while we're at it get a better def of Scripture too, Scripture does not mean Bible, and you are hindering yourself if you believe it is, compelling Scriptural argument on request ok.

Now if you have a personal complaint against Muslims then lodge it but when you find that you don't, let the deceived Hegelians go and fight the devil and call it Christianity while you stay home and learn the truth, or even better yet man up and actually do what Jesus--your god, right--said to do and take your divided a...self, both of them field guys, and visit that town, stay in one house, and eat what they feed you.

You eat way too much pork anyway! :)

and trust me now and read it later, ok, if they will not hear what you have to say shake the dust off your feet as you leave is a dialectic statement revolving around "hear" that has a hidden barb in it you are not aware of yet, simply bc your silly a...self has now been progged to believe that you are all ready to be a Teacher, and this is like what mission number 1 on the list lol. When they don't wanna hear what you have to say it is bc you have a problem lol, not them, as other Scripture will even make plain. otherwise you picked a Samaritan, or went in the way of a Gentile, and these are great things btw, not terrible at all, go do every single one lol, i sure did

Byrd, what makes you think this thread was intended to evangelize Muslims? This is a Christian Forum, and I was addressing Christians in the OP.

 

[Jay Ross]

The little horn is the future AC.

Here you are trying to say he has already come and gone.

That is the way you chose to understanding what I have posted. I have said what will happen to the Little Horn in our near future. I have not said what will happen to the Little Horn/false prophet in the distant future.

You are have attempted to tell me what I have said to justify your position without fully understanding or reading what has been posted by others.

Shalom