How Unique are You?

[Dave L]

Of course, each of us can form a conclusion, but only God is always be right in a discussion or debate unless a participant has already overcome the world completely as Jesus did. Then, the overcomer is most certainly also right. Were the winners of those debates overcomers? Only God and another overcomer can definitely correctly answer that question.

One thing you should consider is a brief study of the ecumenical creeds. If you have never read them, you can't form any solid conclusion about them What it shows is extreme bias against them before knowing what they say.

 

[CoreIssue]

One thing you should consider is a brief study of the ecumenical creeds. If you have never read them, you can't form any solid conclusion about them What it shows is extreme bias against them before knowing what they say.

You really want to appeal to Catholic creeds?

 

[Dave L]

Care to try to define that answer?

Eternal life has no beginning or end. It Is.

 

[CoreIssue]

Eternal life has no beginning or end. It Is.

Are you trying to say we preexisted our birth?

 

[Dave L]

You really want to appeal to Catholic creeds?

If you don't agree with the creeds, you worship a false Christ.

 

[Dave L]

Are you trying to say we preexisted our birth?

We co-eternally exist in God's mind as saved.

 

[CoreIssue]

We co-eternally exist in God's mind as saved.

Foreknowledge is not the same as existence.

 

[CoreIssue]

If you don't agree with the creeds, you worship a false Christ.

Says who?

 

[Dave L]

Foreknowledge is not the same as existence.

Foreknow =
30.100 προβλέπομαιb; προγινώσκωb: to choose or select in advance of some other event—‘to choose beforehand, to select in advance.’
προβλέπομαιb: τοῦ θεοῦ περὶ ἡμῶν κρεῖττόν τι προβλεψαμένου ‘because God had chosen ahead of time an even better plan for us’ He 11:40. It is also possible to understand προβλέπομαι in He 11:40 as meaning ‘to decide in advance’ (compare the meanings in 30.84) or ‘to provide for’ (35.35).
προγινώσκωb: οὓς προέγνω, καὶ προώρισεν συμμόρφους τῆς εἰκόνος τοῦ υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ ‘those whom he had chosen beforehand, he had already decided should become like his Son’ Ro 8:29. In Ro 8:29 προγινώσκω may also be understood as meaning ‘to know beforehand’ (28.6).


Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 362). New York: United Bible Societies.

 

[Dave L]

Says who?

The Bible.

 

[amadeus]

One thing you should consider is a brief study of the ecumenical creeds. If you have never read them, you can't form any solid conclusion about them What it shows is extreme bias against them before knowing what they say.

What I said stands. I believe that the scriptures were written as men were inspired by God to do so. I have no way of knowing whether any, or all, or none of the writers of those ecumenical creeds were writing under God's inspiration... unless He told me they were. He has not so spoke to me, so why should I read them rather than the Koran or the Book of Mormon or the Codes of Hammurabi? Some of these has someone saying they are worthwhile reading. Some would even say God inspired them. Why should I rank the ecumenical creeds above them as things I should read or study?

I read my Bible daily for long periods of time. Should I read one or all of those mention above instead of or in addition to the Bible? What are my ears hearing? What are my eyes seeing? Who am I seeing or who am I listening to...?

Am I a sheep or a goat?

 

[Dave L]

What I said stands. I believe that the scriptures were written as men were inspired by God to do so. I have no way of knowing whether any, or all, or none of the writers of those ecumenical creeds were writing under God's inspiration... unless He told me they were. He has not so spoke to me, so why should I read them rather than the Koran or the Book of Mormon or the Codes of Hammurabi? Some of these has someone saying they are worthwhile reading. Some would even say God inspired them. Why should I rank the ecumenical creeds above them as things I should read or study?

I read my Bible daily for long periods of time. Should I read one or all of those mention above instead of or in addition to the Bible? What are my ears hearing? What are my eyes seeing? Who am I seeing or who am I listening to...?

Am I a sheep or a goat?

If you reject the truth of scripture, you do not hear Christ's voice. If you accept a false view of Christ, you worship an idol. Jesus is the truth, and you will never find him in a false depiction of him.

 

[CoreIssue]

Foreknow =
30.100 προβλέπομαιb; προγινώσκωb: to choose or select in advance of some other event—‘to choose beforehand, to select in advance.’
προβλέπομαιb: τοῦ θεοῦ περὶ ἡμῶν κρεῖττόν τι προβλεψαμένου ‘because God had chosen ahead of time an even better plan for us’ He 11:40. It is also possible to understand προβλέπομαι in He 11:40 as meaning ‘to decide in advance’ (compare the meanings in 30.84) or ‘to provide for’ (35.35).
προγινώσκωb: οὓς προέγνω, καὶ προώρισεν συμμόρφους τῆς εἰκόνος τοῦ υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ ‘those whom he had chosen beforehand, he had already decided should become like his Son’ Ro 8:29. In Ro 8:29 προγινώσκω may also be understood as meaning ‘to know beforehand’ (28.6).


Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 362). New York: United Bible Societies.

Again, using something from someone partnered with the world Council of churches and based on theoretical linguistics.

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 4267 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
proginwvskw from (4253) and (1097)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Proginosko 1:715,119
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
prog-in-oce'-ko Verb
Definition

1. to have knowledge before hand
2. to foreknow
   
   1. of those whom God elected to salvation
3. to predestinate

 

[Dave L]

Again, using something from someone partnered with the world Council of churches and based on theoretical linguistics.

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 4267 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
proginwvskw from (4253) and (1097)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Proginosko 1:715,119
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
prog-in-oce'-ko Verb
Definition

1. to have knowledge before hand
2. to foreknow
   
   1. of those whom God elected to salvation
3. to predestinate

② choose beforehand τινά someone Ro 8:29. τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ 11:2 (EWeber, D. Problem der Heilsgesch. nach Ro 9–11, 1911; THoppe, D. Idee d. Heilsgesch. b. Pls 1926; FMaier, Israel in d. Heilsgesch. nach Ro 9–11, 1929; EvDobschütz, Prädestination: StKr 106, ’35, 9–19; JMunck, Christus u. Israel: Ro 9–11, ’56; EDinkler, Prädestination bei Paulus, GDehn Festschr., ’57, 61–102; s. also on προορίζω). Pass. of Christ προεγνωσμένος πρὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου 1 Pt 1:20.—Know from time past (Jos., Bell. 6, 8) προγινώσκοντές με ἄνωθεν Ac 26:5.—DELG s.v. γιγνώσκω. M-M. TW.

Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 866). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

 

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② choose beforehand τινά someone Ro 8:29. τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ 11:2 (EWeber, D. Problem der Heilsgesch. nach Ro 9–11, 1911; THoppe, D. Idee d. Heilsgesch. b. Pls 1926; FMaier, Israel in d. Heilsgesch. nach Ro 9–11, 1929; EvDobschütz, Prädestination: StKr 106, ’35, 9–19; JMunck, Christus u. Israel: Ro 9–11, ’56; EDinkler, Prädestination bei Paulus, GDehn Festschr., ’57, 61–102; s. also on προορίζω). Pass. of Christ προεγνωσμένος πρὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου 1 Pt 1:20.—Know from time past (Jos., Bell. 6, 8) προγινώσκοντές με ἄνωθεν Ac 26:5.—DELG s.v. γιγνώσκω. M-M. TW.

Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 866). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

Know from time past

 

[amadeus]

If you reject the truth of scripture, you do not hear Christ's voice. If you accept a false view of Christ, you worship an idol. Jesus is the truth, and you will never find him in a false depiction of him.

I do not reject the truth of scripture that I know. I set on a shelf what I don't understanding waiting the need for which God will give me any needed understanding.

Darkly is how Apostle Paul was seeing along with us except where God has/had given him or us a clearer vision.

 

[Dave L]

Know from time past

“Who verily was foreordained [Greek = foreknown] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,” (1 Peter 1:20) (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave L]

I do not reject the truth of scripture that I know. I set on a shelf what I don't understanding waiting the need for which God will give me any needed understanding.

Darkly is how Apostle Paul was seeing along with us except where God has/had given him or us a clearer vision.

You accept one set of teachers refuted by the creeds, and reject those who refuted them without considering the evidence. = Bad juror.....

 

[CoreIssue]

“Who verily was foreordained [Greek = foreknown] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,” (1 Peter 1:20) (KJV 1900)

Which proves what I said denies your claim of eternally coexisting in God's mind with him.

 

[amadeus]

You accept one set of teachers refuted by the creeds, and reject those who refuted them without considering the evidence. = Bad juror.....

I accept the Holy Spirit and anyone teaching under the anointing of the Spirit. Remember that God can speak even through the mouth of a donkey. Go slow on condemning a teacher who is not supporting your own pet doctrines. Back in the lowest room my friend is where the answer lies.