How much ungodly behavior do you see in the church?

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farouk

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Tells us a lot. But it leaves me with questions. The wheat is what is left after the threshing and the waste is removed. 1)why would Satan want to sift Peter as wheat...when after the threshing, wheat would be the final result. Jesus said He prayed for Peter that his faith failed not. 2)why would God allow Satan to be involved in the threshing to produce wheat?
It may be part of the tribulation experience that believes all face (John 16.33).
 

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Tells us a lot. But it leaves me with questions. The wheat is what is left after the threshing and the waste is removed. 1)why would Satan want to sift Peter as wheat...when after the threshing, wheat would be the final result. Jesus said He prayed for Peter that his faith failed not. 2)why would God allow Satan to be involved in the threshing to produce wheat?
To see if Peter would "willingly" let go of the chaf… or cling to it in his life, perhaps?
 

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Actually I wasn't particularly thinking of the Satan aspect; I was thinking of the sifting aspect. Maybe I'm a bit off-beam, in any case.
Basically, yes. But, it is a lot more involved, and kind of barbaric and crude.
First, the whole stalks of the plant (containing hard stalks, long leaves, and pods with the wheat kernels [germs] inside, were all thrown on very hard-packed ground in a special area about the size of a basketball court between two small hills, or walls. A big pile of what looks like brush and weeds with the wind funneled across it by the side barriers.

Then the pile is beaten for a few hours with sticks till it is all beaten down to just a bunch of broken-up trash.

Then the whole mess is thrown up into the crosswinds. The useless lightweight shattered pulp is blown away while the heavier kernels of wheat fall back down to the hard floor. A couple of more hours of this, and all that is left on the floor is just the wheat.
Tells us a lot. But it leaves me with questions. The wheat is what is left after the threshing and the waste is removed. 1)why would Satan want to sift Peter as wheat...when after the threshing, wheat would be the final result. Jesus said He prayed for Peter that his faith failed not. 2)why would God allow Satan to be involved in the threshing to produce wheat?
I was wondering the same thing. God never opened that verse up to me - I'd read it, but never pondered its meaning, nor have I had any specific bible teachers address that. At face value I'm looking at it that Satan wanted to be given permission to get at Peter - similar to what he did with Job - to see what was truly inside of him.
 
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I was wondering the same thing. God never opened that verse up to me - I'd read it, but never pondered its meaning, nor have I had any specific bible teachers address that. At face value I'm looking at it that Satan wanted to be given permission to get at Peter - similar to what he did with Job - to see what was truly inside of him.
Interesting comparison with Job, yes.
 

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No. Sex is not remotely involved here. And the Father and Christ have always existed.
If you want to move away from talking about God/Christ to talk about other people, we can. But let's just make sure it's clear that that it's a different subject.

That is false. Just like you as a woman claiming to be a temple Mormon. Just like the book of Mormon is a lie.

While on that try to defend the book of Mormon.

How about the statues of Moroni on top of temples?

This account is by an exmormon who worked in the Mormon temple in Manti. He asked me to make it available here.
My Temple Experience, by a Former Temple Worker

Mormons before 2019: “the temple isn’t sexist!!” Mormons in 2019: “isn’t it great that the temple isn’t sexist anymore?!?” : exmormon

Recovery from Mormonism - the Mormon Church

Care to explain Joseph Smith, the angel Moroni and the hill Camorra? Why should any Bible believer accept this?

Notice this link is LDS.
Hill Cumorah

Ex-Mormon Shares Secrets From the Church of Latter-day Saints

Ex-Mormon Testimonies

It is obvious you are lying deliberately.
 

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No need for all that childish nonsense, CoreIssue. She see things differently, but that gives no one license to come off with that stuff you are posting.
 
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It is obvious you are lying deliberately.
CoreIssue, I have zero reason to lie to you. I have repeatedly spent precious time explaining things to you, and offered to talk about anything you're willing to listen to. You have repeatedly refused. You repeatedly post false information, which I correct even though you (by your own admission) don't care to get your facts straight. I have tired my hardest to be kind and charitable to you. But I do not appreciate your actions-- the repeated false claims, or repeated personal attack on me.
 

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The stuff I'm posting is true.
The problem is it is YOUR truth not hers....does that make any sense? So to attack her belief only causes her to defend it at all cost....I truly believe that we will all (those who are part of HIS CHURCH) come to a place of agreement and be in one mind and one accord...this is what God spoke to me about awhile back and I shared it here....everyone on this forum have different doctrines of faith to which they adhere to....and most if not all believe in Jesus as the Messiah, God as the Father and the Holy Spirit....what separates us is that we don't agree with each others way of interpreting scripture. The Holy Spirit is opening the eyes and ears and hearts to understand the true meaning of scripture to those who are seeking truth. We are all growing at different levels of truth....so bottom line is if I or you or anyone here tries to shove our truths onto others who aren't ready to receive it yet then we create contention and strife against each other. (and vice versa)...
 

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The problem is it is YOUR truth not hers....does that make any sense? So to attack her belief only causes her to defend it at all cost....I truly believe that we will all (those who are part of HIS CHURCH) come to a place of agreement and be in one mind and one accord...this is what God spoke to me about awhile back and I shared it here....everyone on this forum have different doctrines of faith to which they adhere to....and most if not all believe in Jesus as the Messiah, God as the Father and the Holy Spirit....what separates us is that we don't agree with each others way of interpreting scripture. The Holy Spirit is opening the eyes and ears and hearts to understand the true meaning of scripture to those who are seeking truth. We are all growing at different levels of truth....so bottom line is if I or you or anyone here tries to shove our truths onto others who aren't ready to receive it yet then we create contention and strife against each other. (and vice versa)...
I think also in the end there is the perspective of whether a body of teaching accords with Scripture. Not getting personally aggressive - I agree, unnecessary; but a respectful assessment of teaching in the light of Scripture is of great value. Above all we need to preach the truth from the Word, rather than focus always on what others may say that is wrong.
 

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I have a collection of about three dozen articles from FairMormon, SLC Messenger, Ensign, and several other LDS publications that tell quite a different story.

Personally, I don't care, I happen to like you, but I would hate to think you are saying we all believe the same when other LDS publications don't say the same thing.
I think I can guess where you are misunderstanding thing--

First some big-picture background: LDS are NOT Calvinists. We believe VERY firmly in free will and a person to have a choice. God (being all knowing) knows what choices we are going to make, but each person makes there own choices with zero force or manipulation involved.

(Now explaining a piece of LDS theology, yes LDS are not sola Biblia). LDS believe that the Father had a plan before the creation of this Earth. A beautiful plan of salvation and happiness: the world would be created, spirits would be born into physical bodies, mistakes/sins would be made, but through the Savior those that believe in Him would be saved.

Now, the Father presented the plan to all His children and ask for a volunteer to be the Savior. The Father already knew who it would be (Christ) before asking this. Christ was already chosen by the Father, from the beginning, because He alone fully followed the Father's will. But still, let's Christ have choice here, hence the asking for volunteers so Christ may have a choice. And Christ does just that: accepting that the Father's will be done, and the glory be the Father's.

(*here's the part where I think you're misunderstanding*) Meanwhile, Lucifer (who was not remotely chosen) speaks up here. He volunteers to be a savior-- but not the type of savior the Father had planned. In fact, he doesn't want to follow the Father's will at all, but thinks he has a better idea and that the glory will all be his (Lucifer's). This Lucifer's opening act of rebelling-- blatantly disregarding the Father's will and glory-seeking. Of course the Father was never going to choose Lucifer and doesn't-- there was never a scenario with Lucifer being the savior. Though, without the correct background/context here, I could see where you would get that misunderstanding.

Anyway, I hope that clarifies things.
 
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I think also in the end there is the perspective of whether a body of teaching accords with Scripture. Not getting personally aggressive - I agree, unnecessary; but a respectful assessment of teaching in the light of Scripture is of great value. Above all we need to preach the truth from the Word, rather than focus always on what others may say that is wrong.
Yes....we ALL should be humble and be teachable and be teachers....Paul said we only know in PART....seeing through a glass darkly...kind of tells us none of us know the complete wisdom of God. It is being revealed to those who seek to find it.