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Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality Forum' started by Soverign Grace, Jan 16, 2019.

  1. farouk

    farouk Well-Known Member

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    We indeed need to search the Scriptures daily and keep 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2). Guidance in the Word from more experienced Christians can also be very helpful.
     
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  2. Jane_Doe22

    Jane_Doe22 Well-Known Member

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    Great post. I do think I'll comment on this part though--
    I am a believer that God's Truth doesn't need men's arguments to defend it. I rarely go to "defend" any fact. However, I am OCD truthful and a stickler about getting the facts straight (and that includes good sources). So for example, if someone makes a false statement like "Baptists dance around naked at their potlucks", I'm going to say "No, I've been to many a Baptist potluck and they don't dance around naked. However, I have seen them cook some great BBQ." No, I'm not Baptist and I'm not going to "defend" Baptist beliefs, but I will try to be factual about what those beliefs are (facts I see from actually attending Baptist events and letting Baptists speak for themselves). And same for every other faith group-- all getting the exact same factual treatment, including ones I detest and my own.
     
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  3. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Well-Known Member

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    I just stuck with you as an example...it applies to all of us...and I love your light-hearted spirit in the matter. Blessed are the peacemakers!!!!
     
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  4. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Well, my truth is Bible oriented, hers is Mormon oriented, so we can't both be right.,

    Pay attention to what the Bible says about false Stockton, teachers, profits etc. and didn't revelation the warnings against accepting and in tolerating such beliefs.

    You don't get it I guess. Mormons have a different God, different scriptures, different prophets and a different Christ.

    That is not looking at Christianity with a different view. It isn't Christian. It isn't truth.

    What you're saying is apostasy. Time to rethink your position after some serious Bible study on the subject.
     
  5. farouk

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    The Scriptures are the yardstick, in the end. Bottom line is we need to know them more and more, by God's grace, as we follow the Lord Jesus.
     
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    Jane_Doe22 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. Sorry if I missed the bigger picture there. I do very much enjoy your posts.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    I will if you will! :D:p
     
  9. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Well-Known Member

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    Thanks I enjoy yours as well...I see so much joy in your life through your posts.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Been doing it for 58 years.
     
  11. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Well-Known Member

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    Well don't stop now....the Spirit of Truth is with us to help our understanding in scripture and I am still learning....and as of late evangelists and pastors all over the world are getting the exact same revelation from Him....I am excited to learn the hidden wisdom of God and to discover the Mysteries of God....I have been corrected many times throughout my spiritual growth and I pray I will always remain humble and be corrected as needed.
     
  12. farouk

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    Good to be able to look back and say" Ebenezer: 'Hitherto hath the LORD helped us...' (1 Samuel 7.12).
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Even death does not stop from learning.

    I've learned many things in life that younger people will never have the opportunity to learn because things change that much.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    That certainly presents the Holy Trinity, but that is NOT three Gods (Polytheism). It is one God but three Persons.

    I believe it is fair to say that Mormonism holds to Polytheism.
    I will preach on the plurality of Gods... I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods.
    Joseph Smith - Mormonism founder
    History of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints Vol 6: p 473
     
  15. Jane_Doe22

    Jane_Doe22 Well-Known Member

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    LDS likewise believe in ONE God. Three persons, ONE God. The difference than the Athanasian view is in the *how* these three person are one God. LDS it's unity, Athanasian it's homoousios.
    Non-canonicalstatement, ripped out of it's context here. If you want me to elaborate on this context I or anything else, I certainly can.
     
  16. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Definitely not ripped out of context. Smith was discussing the Trinity in great detail in that context, and concocting his own theology about "the plurality of Gods". That is clearly Polytheism, since Paul was indeed speaking about multiple heathen gods and lords.

    From the History of the Church of the Latter Day Saints, Volume 6, Chapter 23:

    President Joseph Smith read the 3rd chapter of Revelation, and took for his text 1st chapter, 6th verse—"And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father: to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

    It is altogether correct in the translation. Now, you know that of late some malicious and corrupt men have sprung up and apostatized from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and they declare that the Prophet believes in a plurality of Gods, and, lo and behold! we have discovered a very great secret, they cry—"The Prophet says there are many Gods, and this proves that he has fallen."

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    It has been my intention for a long time to take up this subject and lay it clearly before the people, and show what my faith is in relation to this interesting matter. I have contemplated the saying of Jesus (Luke 17th chapter, 26th verse)—"And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man." And if it does rain, I'll preach this doctrine, for the truth shall be preached.

    I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have selected this text for that express purpose. I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years.

    I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit, and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods. If this is in accordance with the New Testament, lo and behold! we have three Gods anyhow, and they are plural: and who can contradict it?

    Our text says "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father." The Apostles have discovered that there were Gods above, for Paul says God was the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. My object was to preach the scriptures, and preach the doctrine they contain, there being a God above, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. I am bold to declare I have taught all the strong doctrines publicly, and always teach stronger doctrines in public than in private.

    John was one of the men, and apostles declare they were made kings and priests unto God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. It reads just so in the Revelation. Hence, the doctrine of a plurality of Gods is as prominent in the Bible as any other doctrine. It is all over the face of the Bible. It stands beyond the power of controversy. A wayfaring man, though a fool, need not err therein.

    Paul says there are Gods many and Lords many. I want to set it forth in a plain and simple manner; but to us there is but one God—that is pertaining to us; and he is in all and through all. But if Joseph Smith says there are Gods many and Lords many, they cry, "Away with him! Crucify him! crucify him!"

    Mankind verily say that the scriptures are with them. Search the scriptures, for they testify of things that these apostates would gravely pronounce blasphemy. Paul, if Joseph Smith is a blasphemer, you are. I say there are Gods many and Lords many, but to us only one, and we are to be in subjection to that one, and no man can limit the bounds or the eternal existence of eternal time. Hath he beheld the eternal world, and is he authorized to say that there is only one God? He makes himself a fool if he thinks or says so, and there is an end of his career or progress in knowledge. He cannot obtain all knowledge, for he has sealed up the gate to it.

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    Some say I do not interpret the scripture the same as they do. They say it means the heathen's gods. Paul says there are Gods many and Lords many; and that makes a plurality of Gods, in spite of the whims of all men. Without a revelation, I am not going to give them the knowledge of the God of heaven. You know and I testify that Paul had no allusion to the heathen gods. I have it from God, and get over it if you can. I have a witness of the Holy Ghost, and a testimony that Paul had no allusion to the heathen gods in the text. I will show from the Hebrew Bible that I am correct, and the first word shows a plurality of Gods; and I want the apostates and learned men to come here and prove to the contrary, if they can....
     
  17. Jane_Doe22

    Jane_Doe22 Well-Known Member

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    The Athanasian view of God ("the Trinity) is not being discussed here. LDS do not believe in homoousios, rather believe the Father/Son/Spirit to be one God through unity. That theological context is ESSENTIAL for even starting to address these non-canonical speculations.
     
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    For some reason I feel so compelled to stand in defense of Jane_Doe22.....she has done nothing that I can see to warrant such criticism...she claims to believe in the deity of Christ, in the Gospel of Salvation as taught in the Bible, has confessed Jesus as her Lord and Savior...worships God with all her heart and soul...exhibits a humble spirit even while being attacked...so what more does the Bible say she must do to be saved....and answer wisely for with what measure you judge so shall you be judged.
     
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    No one is criticizing Jane_Doe22. The evidence has simply been presented that Mormon theology teaches a plurality of Gods, not one true God eternally existence as three divine Persons.
     
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    "No", both cannot be "right." But, both CAN be wrong (and probably ARE) on a variety of points and issues.
     
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