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You do exactly what God planned for you to do or you are god.God sets the parameters in which we operate. Within those parameters we have free will.
Calvinism does not have parameters, it has strings and we are the puppets.
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You do exactly what God planned for you to do or you are god.God sets the parameters in which we operate. Within those parameters we have free will.
Calvinism does not have parameters, it has strings and we are the puppets.
I will answer your error filled post when I get on my laptopAnd the context makes it crystal clear that at that time Christ was praying for His disciples and His saints. No one would conclude that He was excluding the world from salvation.
Yes, words can have different meanings and kosmos could also mean worldly affairs or adornment. But obviously those would not be applicable. On the other hand you have rejected the plain meaning -- which is the inhabitants of the world -- because you hold to a distorted Gospel. And yes every false Gospel ultimately comes from Satan, since every lie comes from Satan.
And before He destroyed the ungodly He gave them 120 years to repent. Which again proves that your doctrine is false.
Of course I have. The context of that passage is perfectly clear. It means "the things of the world" which means worldly desires, worldly ideas, worldliness, all of which are under the control of "the god of this world". Once again totally irrelevant to what we are discussing.
You choose to persist in your error even though the whole context from verse 14 shows that God has given His only begotten Son to be the Savior of the world, and Scripture makes it crystal clear that Christ is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world.
And when you do that you misrepresent the character of God and Christ and distort the Gospel. But this is typical of Calvinists who would rather die fighting for their false Gospel than admit it is all a lie and repent. Just goes to show that no matter how many Scriptures are clearly presented, people who have believed false teachings will never give them up.
No this is a falsehood.Ephesians 1 KJV
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
In that we receive all blessings received "in Christ", and in that to be "in Christ" means that we are recreated:
2 Corinthians 5 KJV
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
Then I conclude that our election, one of those blessings, is received when we are baptized into Christ, even as Jesus was "my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect" (Isaiah 42:1).
So this would be what some call "corporate election". Jesus was Chosen of God, fulfilled the Law and Righteousness, and we receive what was His. Including His election.
Otherwise, we are receiving the greatest blessing of all, being chosen of God, outside of Christ, His choosing bringing us into Christ. But the Bible says we are first in Christ, and in Him we receive everything we receive.
Much love!
Mark
No this is a falsehood.
Send me a link and I will look it up and respondAlready done. Where were you?
there is no free will.Freewill choice is God's will, even when not the desired outcome.
Send me a link and I will look it up and respondAlready done. Where were you?
there is no free will.Freewill choice is God's will, even when not the desired outcome.
Hello mark,Care to elaborate?
What do we receive outside of Christ, and where can I read about it?
Much love!
Mark
Ok I will elaborate when I get to my laptop.Care to elaborate?
What do we receive outside of Christ, and where can I read about it?
Much love!
Mark
So you say since it exposes your own FALSE DOCTRINE.I will answer your error filled post when I get on my laptop
Hello mark,
Ok I will elaborate when I get to my laptop.
All that saved people have is found In Christ.
In fact the saved sinners are placed in Christ before the world was.2tim1:9...
I'm still working now so that gives you time to remove your foul posts before anyone sees what you posted and spare yourself being embarrassedSo you say since it exposes your own FALSE DOCTRINE.
The proper response would have been "You are right, and Calvinism is total nonsense. I have been deceived by the doctrines of men".
We have some agreement, that is good.We're definitely on the same page, it's all and only "in Christ".
But on this part, "Saved sinners are placed in Christ before the world was" ? I don't really know what you mean by that. I'm sorry!
Much love!
Mark
Could you explain what you mean, though, when you say that "saved sinners are placed in Christ before the world was". I don't know what that means.We have some agreement, that is good.
When we look at the Covenant of Redemption maybe we will find more to agree on.
With double the years you have there is absolutely no merit to Calvinism.
Calvinism is not fair, just, compassionate or loving.
Hello Mark,Could you explain what you mean, though, when you say that "saved sinners are placed in Christ before the world was". I don't know what that means.
Thanks!
Nothing changed but the context.John 6:44 "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."
Something changed.
(At this point I'm just trying to figure out were your logic of your beliefs are here, pushing aside everything else)
Does scripture not say that "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son"? (emphasis mine)
And other people were created just to be goats and sent to Hell?
For starters, I majorly appreciate you being forthcoming with answers. It is refreshing and informative.1.) World. The word is Cosmos. This means his creation. Believe it or not the entirety of Scripture is not just about man.
2.)... yep. Yes He did. Before you lash out, answer this: Give me one reason why God cannot do this with His own creation?