Agnostic at heart

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But you just said scripture can't prove or disprove God. Anyway, I thought it was Jesus who revels himself and draws mankind near.

Many are called...Few are chosen.

The Drawing TO Jesus, is VIA "His methods".
It primarily "His servants" that do the "Drawing" TO Jesus...

A TV program, A Radio broadcast, Newspapers announcements, A Church's open invitation, Online forums, A chance meeting a stranger...

Every time Jesus is spoken and your ears hear...It's a call to draw your interest to hear more.

It is entirely your own decision TO hear more...believe what you hear...verify what you hear against Scripture...

Everytime one hears..."they ARE" being "enLIGHTened", to the word of God.

Men who CONTINUE hearing/reading...Continue being "enLIGHTENed".

The "enLIGHTening", is the POWER of God at WORK...who IS LIGHT.

Mans NATURAL self is "also" "at work"...
Hearing, wondering, believing, denying, unsure, believing some things, doubting some things.

THE "KEY", is to KEEP hearing/reading...
Which is the Factor that KEEPS the enLIGHTening being Accomplished.

Learning IS a process.
Knowledge FIRST...
Understanding of the Knowledge...LATER

A parent tells their little Child...
Mommy loves you...the child says okay.
This is a book...the child says okay.
God made you...the child says okay.
Gods Son is Jesus...the child says okay.
Jesus loves you...the child says okay.

The little child does not analyze and question...what's a mommy, love, book, God, Son, Jesus....

The child is simply being told informational knowledge....and trusts the knowledge is true.

That's how it works also regarding God.
When you can hear/read and TRUST the knowledge is True....your enLIGHTening is being enlarged.

You can READ "MANY" books and think in your MIND, that does not make SENSE, or NOT know what the words MEAN.

You can come across all kinds of situations, in work, in hobbies, in entertainment, in conversations....where things will not make Logical SENSE to your MIND.

You can RESEARCH, FIGURE, WEIGH (between this and that) and LOGICALLY conclude, to your MINDS satisfaction, what you are willing to believe is a truthful fact.
(And tomorrow, you may change YOUR MIND).

^ THAT is what the Human Nature of a mans MIND does.

And a man who has become an ADULT...has (for years) been relying on HIS NATURAL MIND, to come to his own UNDERSTANDING of things he has learned (information and knowledge).

Gods word is information and knowledge.
It is MANS "natural tendency" to use his own mind, TO FIGURE OUT, what is GODS Understanding of "Gods" information and knowledge.

Straight up Fact...Mans MIND is NOT EQUIPPED with the Ability to "FIGURE and LOGICALLY conclude"...Gods Understanding of His own "information and knowledge".

So...it becomes a matter of TRUST.

The Scriptures are FULL of Knowledge that God APPROVES, for mankind TO hear/read.

Of course God desires that men, TRUST to Believe all that is written in the Scriptures.

Yet we full well KNOW, "adults" want Knowledge and immediately want the "understanding of the knowledge".....or what?
Well what DO adults DO, when they do not understand something?
Argue "their" ideas?
Go read what someone else says?
See if it makes Sense to "their" mind, then adopt what the other has said/ETC.

That is the case for the teaching of PATIENCE!

Foremost...Gods Knowledge IS Spiritual, as God is Spirit. Thus Gods Understanding IS Spiritual, as God is Spirit.

A man (who is NOT with a quickened spirit), reads, with the power of his natural mind, gathering information, and Ciphering whether or not to BELIEVE what he is reading.

A BEGINNER, reading Scripture, FAIRS WELL, to "FOCUS" on WHAT parts of Scripture he DOES BELIEVE, and set aside, what he DOES NOT BELIEVE.

THE POINT for ^THAT...is the man Revealing the TRUST of his "enLIGHTment"....TO God...
(And himself).

The GIFT God "gives' to man WHO TRUSTS to Believe the word of God.......IS measures of FAITH.

IN Short...the more the man Trusts to Believe the word......the MORE FAITH God gives the man.

The MORE FAITH, the man RECEIVES, The MORE CAPABLE the man IS, to trust to believe MORE.

It is a Preparation "process"....of the EFFORT of a man....and the GIFT of Faith from God....

And IS designed to PREPARE the man...to have ENOUGH FAITH....that the man WILL CHOOSE to "commit" himself "TO" God, BY,
A Confession TO God of the mans Belief.

It is required to be A TRUE CONFESSION from the mans Heart.....(not an analytical confession from the mans MIND).

Once a man IS Accomplished in ^^ such a Confession....
"NUMEROUS things" about that man CHANGES...ONCE and FOREVER.

Scriptural Warning....BE SURE, when making a Confession to God.
(Inasmuch as you require Gods Truth from God, so also, He requires your Truth from you.)

And one of the "things" is...such a man THEREAFTER has, DIRECT Access TO thee Lord God....to ASK HIM "His Understanding" of "His OWN knowledge".

WARNING...God is not a plaything, for a mans Mind to be coy with. A man who becomes established in a "direct" relationship with thee Lord God, IS a SPIRITUAL relationship.

Read/studying is still required...man showing a genuine Effort to Receive His Knowledge...
And He will repay with the SAME genuine Effort, of His Understanding of His Knowledge forward to the man.

That IS the Beauty of Gods Understanding of His Knowledge...."HIS Understanding of HIS Knowledge, IS RESERVED FOR, those WHO have an Established Spiritual "Relationship"
"WITH" Him.

And all others....are left to their own, wild guessing, wondering, other mens ideas, etc.
(Flimsy).

Personally, IMO, you appear as though, YOU FOCUS on Scriptural things....YOU DO NOT BELIEVE.

A word of WISDOM....God is NOT LISTENING TO YOUR "rejection", however He IS, making records of evidence (Against you) for YOUR rejection.

A word of advice...FOCUS on what is in Scripture that you DO BELIEVE....and experience the POWER of the "gift of faith",
That God is most pleased to give to you.

Glory to God,
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I’ll confess with you. I’ll start.
When my wife and I were very young we were sexually active when dating,and conceived a child. Due to fear and our very young age we decided to murder(abort) our child. I committed murder

Actually, the sin you committed was not murder, it was the sin of taking pleasure in agreeing that the embryo's development should be halted.

If the Lord has FORGIVEN your SINS...
He covers the sin of ALL that belong to Him, (with His indwelling LIGHT, and remembers NO MORE, that which His Light Covers.)

Glory to God,
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Actually, the sin you committed was not murder, it was the sin of taking pleasure in agreeing that the embryo's development should be halted.

If the Lord has FORGIVEN your SINS...
He covers the sin of ALL that belong to Him, (with His indwelling LIGHT, and remembers NO MORE, that which His Light Covers.)

Glory to God,
Taken
Agreed. I was these things
 
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Actually, the sin you committed was not murder, it was the sin of taking pleasure in agreeing that the embryo's development should be halted.

If the Lord has FORGIVEN your SINS...
He covers the sin of ALL that belong to Him, (with His indwelling LIGHT, and remembers NO MORE, that which His Light Covers.)

Glory to God,
Taken
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IMO You are an arrogant man. God doesn’t operate in the confines of our laws of physics. He made these laws for us. He moves in and outside of his creation. The beginning of knowledge is to fear the Lord, and to fear the lord is to hate sin. You seem to prefer sin?
 

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How can something be moral for God but immoral for us?
Because we are sinful, God is not. You are trying to equate yourself to God, which is not possible.

Let me ask you this; who decides what is moral? What is morality? Morality unless based in Scriptures is purely subjective.
 
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How can something be moral for God but immoral for us?

Because Gods intentions and heart is always pure, mans is not. Because we dont create ourselves, and herefore have no claims on our or others lives. Because we do not continually sustain ourselves or anyone else, but God does. Again, you are pointing at us and demanding we explai our God, who does not need to explain Himself to man, and will not explain himself just because you demand Him to
 
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a perfect example, just ignore the bad English here and click the link to read the original, which does not say that,
John 14:1 Lexicon: "Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.

and recognize the diff in "belief" and "faith," pistis, whenever you are ready
"...have faith in God, have faith also in Me."

Have Faith? Impossible without Belief.

Men have the ability to BELIEVE.
Faith is a Gift from God....FOR Belief.

Eph 2:
8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Glory to God,
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