Agnostic at heart

[FatalMoves]

I have always known God was real. And I have had many encounters with God in my life. I don't have to try and believe. I believe.

The Bible is not there to prove to you anything. The Bible is for the man of God. (2 Tim. 3:17) So, it is no surprise you get nothing from it.

God is not interested in proving Himself to you.

Stranger

So you're saying God is real based solely on what you've proven to yourself. By that logic you can prove anything to yourself.

 

[bbyrd009]

So you're saying God is real based solely on what you've proven to yourself. By that logic you can prove anything to yourself.

and one's language will make it obvious I guess, "the Bible is this, the Bible is that," that Scripture even condemns, along with the testifying of self, etc.

 

[CoreIssue]

I said that I've come no closer to proving or disproving God.

Please answer a simple question.

In the ultimate beginning nothing but nothing exist, not even space, where did matter, energy and space come from?

Science says everything has a beginning and an end. It says for every affect there is a cause. So what is the cause?

 

[CoreIssue]

It doesn't defy science, science does not begin by presuming to know everything.

Let me put it this way, what possible other way could things that didn't exist suddenly exist?

Scientifically that is impossible by a the law of cause and effect and everything having a beginning and an end.

In the ultimate beginning not space, time or energy.

 

[Stranger]

So you're saying God is real based solely on what you've proven to yourself. By that logic you can prove anything to yourself.

I never said I proved anything to myself. I said I always have known God was real.

Stranger

 

[FatalMoves]

Please answer a simple question.

In the ultimate beginning nothing but nothing exist, not even space, where did matter, energy and space come from?

Science says everything has a beginning and an end. It says for every affect there is a cause. So what is the cause?

The First Law of Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. For example, turning on a light would seem to produce energy; however, it is electrical energy that is converted.

 

[FatalMoves]

I never said I proved anything to myself. I said I always have known God was real.

Stranger

How can you know something is real without evidence? Your saying I've always known God is real, but you dismiss the idea that you have to form a basis of information to persuade you of such things.

 

[CoreIssue]

The First Law of Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. For example, turning on a light would seem to produce energy; however, it is electrical energy that is converted.

That dodged the question.

Before energy even existed there was nothingness.

I asked you how out of utter nothingness energy, matter and space came into existence.

Those kinds of answers won't work with me. I've debated this issue with atheists too often.

Reality is no atheists can answer. As well I think you're an atheist pretending to be an agnostic.

 

[FatalMoves]

That dodged the question.

Before energy even existed there was nothingness.

I asked you how out of utter nothingness energy, matter and space came into existence.

Those kinds of answers won't work with me. I've debated this issue with atheists too often.

Reality is no atheists can answer. As well I think you're an atheist pretending to be an agnostic.

No, that's old science.
No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

 

[CoreIssue]

No, that's old science.
No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

Still dodging. In the ultimate beginning where did it all come from?

 

[FatalMoves]

Still dodging. In the ultimate beginning where did it all come from?

Who says the universe had a beginning? You seem to be clinging onto old scientific models to authenticate your belief system. Even if the universe had a beginning then that beginning happened through a explainable process, not a magical event that can't be explained. Even if a God did create everything, would it have been a process that is absurd in nature? That cannot ever be explained.

 

[Stranger]

How can you know something is real without evidence? Your saying I've always known God is real, but you dismiss the idea that you have to form a basis of information to persuade you of such things.

I know because the Spirit of God has revealed to my spirit that it is so. This is what you don't understand. The believer believes because he knows. He knows because God has given it to him to know. No scientific proof is necessary. And, no scientific proof is wanted.

Stranger

 

[FatalMoves]

I know because the Spirit of God has revealed to my spirit that it is so. This is what you don't understand. The believer believes because he knows. He knows because God has given it to him to know. No scientific proof is necessary. And, no scientific proof is wanted.

Stranger

Didn't you state that God is not in the business of providing proof about itself to anyone. Now you claim that God's spirit persuaded you?

 

[Mjh29]

Didn't you state that God is not in the business of providing proof about itself to anyone. Now you claim that God's spirit persuaded you?

Everyone's belief has to be founded on some principle that cannot be explained. Mine is the God of Scripture. And I believe what he meant was that God through faith presents the truth to His people, but He is not in the business of proving Himself to those who simply demand it before they will have any faith. Faith isn't something we attain anyways, it is a gift from Him. And If one is going to claim that they refuse to believe until God bends to their demands of proving Himself, God will let them fester.

 

[Stranger]

Didn't you state that God is not in the business of providing proof about itself to anyone. Now you claim that God's spirit persuaded you?

No, I didn't say God persuaded me. I said God has given the believer to know. No persuasion is necessary.

Stranger

 

[FatalMoves]

Everyone's belief has to be founded on some principle that cannot be explained. Mine is the God of Scripture. And I believe what he meant was that God through faith presents the truth to His people, but He is not in the business of proving Himself to those who simply demand it before they will have any faith. Faith isn't something we attain anyways, it is a gift from Him. And If one is going to claim that they refuse to believe until God bends to their demands of proving Himself, God will let them fester.

Let me ask you a simple moral question.

Is it right to kill a child?

Yes or No.

 

[Mjh29]

Let me ask you a simple moral question.

Is it right to kill a child?

Yes or No.

Depends on what you base your moral standards on. For a Christian who believes the Scriptures? No.

 

[FatalMoves]

No, I didn't say God persuaded me. I said God has given the believer to know. No persuasion is necessary.

Stranger

Knowing and believing are two different things.

 

[FatalMoves]

Depends on what you base your moral standards on. For a Christian who believes the Scriptures? No.

Then was the bible God taking a moral action for killing children by the sword?

 

[Stranger]

Knowing and believing are two different things.

Yes they are. That is why I said, the believer believes because he knows.

Stranger