I am done

[mjrhealth]

The "multitudes disillusioned with Christianity" refers to all the Christians who will be standing in the middle of the streets as civilization is set on fire and crumbling around them, yelling to the heavens at God that they were supposed to be raptured up and miss out on SHTF, because they believed the lie of Jesuit Futurism, after which the Christ impersonator Lucifer will show up and turn them against the last remaining company described in Revelation 12:17 and 14:12, those who "keep the commadnments of God and have the testimony of Jesus...and the faith of Jesus."

If you honsetly think that anyone is going to get into heaven because they kept the ten commandments, you truly are a very ignorant man, the only one who ever did it was Christ, and HE will be the only one, according to you (SDA) and the catholics, should throw the mormans in there, heaven is going to be a very empty place.

 

[Soverign Grace]

there is no unity in the body here, He is a non-Christian...attacking Christians. You handle your posting, I will handle mine.

I'm going to speak up when there is mean-spiritedness; especially against someone who seems troubled. I'd do the same for you Anthony.

God allowed me to be hurt in several churches. I saw it all - the unchristlikeness, the politics, the lies, the group-think, the joke at another's expense. I don't have the stomach for it anymore. If I can challenge others to be better than I will and I hope you challenge me. We're to be better than that. We're to help carry his burdens and restore him with a spirit of gentleness. We have a high calling. We're to be merciful.

"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." - Phillipians 3:14

"Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass,you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Carry one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ." - Galations 6:1

"Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful." - Luke 6:36

 

[Soverign Grace]

Brother, I say this with absolute certainty that the closest you'll ever get to delivering anything to Satan is sending a UPS package to Hell, Michigan (or his summer home in Hell, Calif.)

I think we need to leave this believer alone. He's obviously dealing with something.

"Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass,you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Carry one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ." - Gal. 6:1

 

[Soverign Grace]

Seems like there may as well be a FULL MOON every night of the month. The nuts just don't take any time off.

There is no need to say that Willie.

"Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful." - Luke 6:36

 

[Soverign Grace]

Don't let the screen door hit you where the good Lord split you on you way out.

Yes, and He who sits in the heaven laughs for He knows that OUR day is coming.

"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." - Mat. 7:2

 

[Soverign Grace]

God is ALWAYS speaking to His people, who are walking in His Spirit, and are "hasting" unto the day of His fiery and sudden return. 2 Pet. 3:12.

When we read that verse, those who are born again of His Spirit, will realize that within themselves there is an earnest eagerness for this world to end soon.
That deep conviction is Christ Himself within us, looking and waiting also, for the Father to send Him for us.
As for all others, who do not have that conviction, they ARE NOT hasting unto the Day of God, and therefore would prefer that you don't talk about it.
And for that, DON'T! They will only turn on you!!

At the moment, because His Revelations for this time are new to you, and for YOU, I would urge you to be discerning through the Holy Spirit, as to who you should talk to and who you should not.

You can "test the waters", so to speak, by sharing it only with a close friend/brother, that you KNOW is born again. Take your time with them, for they are like a glass full of dirty water (false doctrines), and shall not release them, until they are "displaced" by the Lord revealing it to them, and not you.
.
Now, along with the revelations that God is giving you, he will point you to scriptures that are of topical concerns, that will change your way of thinking.
Isa. 55:8-9
"His thoughts and ways" about His OWN words, will be extremely contrary to that which is generally accepted and popular. Sometimes even down right startling!!
.
There is a difference between Christ-ianity and Church-ianity. The latter (all denominations) have their feet solidified in cement, and are unable to depart from their analytically learned " end time" doctrines.
However, all individual born again Christians will eventually perceive and discern, that the visible churches have their foundations in the earth, and that there are those in them (tares), who love it to be so. From them, you will turn away from, or at least be cautious when around them.
Be patient and take your time. You will have much to UN-learn as well RE-learn.

Yes we who have the first fruits desire that connection. I know what you mean about "testing the waters" - I shared it with a professional and when we had parted ways my husband quickly chastised me. He was worried about how I would be perceived. I'm not a politically correct person but I know among professionals there is 'sometimes' a stuffy air and a proper decorum. So that dampened my desire to share what I learned. My husband dismisses some of it, especially 9-11. But I just have to wait until God opens his eyes.

I actually thought pastors would be knowledgable about it and was shocked that a pastor cautioned me to be careful what I read. I had assumed that since they went to seminary that they would know these things.

I'm unsure what you mean about a topical concern. I wonder what God wants me to do with this knowledge.

 

[Soverign Grace]

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[Earburner]

Sng 6:11, I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, and to see whether the vine flourished, and the pomegranates budded.

Why? Who was talking to you?

 

[justbyfaith]

Why? Who was talking to you?

???

 

[Earburner]

Yes we who have the first fruits desire that connection. I know what you mean about "testing the waters" - I shared it with a professional and when we had parted ways my husband quickly chastised me. He was worried about how I would be perceived. I'm not a politically correct person but I know among professionals there is 'sometimes' a stuffy air and a proper decorum. So that dampened my desire to share what I learned. My husband dismisses some of it, especially 9-11. But I just have to wait until God opens his eyes.


I actually thought pastors would be knowledgable about it and was shocked that a pastor cautioned me to be careful what I read. I had assumed that since they went to seminary that they would know these things.

I'm unsure what you mean about a topical concern. I wonder what God wants me to do with this knowledge.

It's very, very difficult to share it with our loved ones.
It can be done, if we keep it very brief and pointed, by choosing the right words. Yes! Trust God to help them to perceive what you are saying. Most people can't handle it to know that they are being duped and lied to by the authorities. We have this idiotic belief that somehow they are honest and sincere.

Pastor's and etc. are students of "higher learning" , as dictated to them by the colleges/seminaries, that they MUST attend. All of that is mostly analytical study of the Bible (word crunching), and learning how to preach/teach along the lines of THEIR doctrinal thinking and denomination. Quite seriously, they are stuck in a box!

Topical study is taking a specific biblical doctrine, and studying all the scriptures that speak of it, or support it. In such a study, one must allow the Lord to guide, and not structured commentaries, of which can have a denominational slant.
The Lord said that He will "guide us into ALL truth" . It's time that we start trusting in Him only, because as it stands now, most of "church-ianity" is far off course, about "end times" .

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

I'm going to speak up when there is mean-spiritedness; especially against someone who seems troubled. I'd do the same for you Anthony.

God allowed me to be hurt in several churches. I saw it all - the unchristlikeness, the politics, the lies, the group-think, the joke at another's expense. I don't have the stomach for it anymore. If I can challenge others to be better than I will and I hope you challenge me. We're to be better than that. We're to help carry his burdens and restore him with a spirit of gentleness. We have a high calling. We're to be merciful.

"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." - Phillipians 3:14

"Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass,you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Carry one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ." - Galations 6:1

"Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful." - Luke 6:36

You are offering good verses that apply to Christian's.
He is not a christian.
He thinks the trinity is a lie.
He is an enemy of the cross, with a works gospel.
That is why Galatians was written.

 

[bbyrd009]

How would Christ have handled someone whose theology was off? The only time he was aggressive was with the moneychangers to my knowledge. I was misled early on and I know how active the evil one is in deceiving the flock. I was so mixed up that I took everything I had received from various ministries and burned it in the wood stove. You don't know what struggles this fellow Christian has been through. Satan could be attacking him - which is my guess. Do you think you would win him over more with love or with wrath? How would you want him to respond to you if you were the one deceived? We can get our point across in a way that isn't hateful. You'll need the same consideration from another some day - so will I. And I'm no better than you - I used to cut up a friend who had become a Christian - and didn't I feel foolish when I became a believer years later. I've been hurt in a few churches and I know how cruel "Christians" can be. Let us be doers of the Word and not hearers only, deceiving ourselves. Sometimes when Christians get into a group they think cruel is okay.

This is a fellow believer who Christ loves. I just think that as Christians we don't always act in accordance with our high calling.

I go back and forth on this, and imo both carrot and stick are needed I guess? In a forum setting, with someone who is making statements as if they knew when they do not, well, as I said earlier, Scripture is fulfilled imo; a teacher is under a heavier burden, and will suffer a diff judgement? Which we like to imagine is yet in some imaginary future, but I don't see much support for that.

Also, how someone takes offense will be gauged too right? The cliche is about women scorned, iow imo a seeker should be immune to scorn, or how do you offend a Christian iow?

 

[bbyrd009]

But I pray that you overcome this, um, period, biloqewu, you make some interesting points imo. I might encourage you to abandon the Hegelian dialectic someday, but tbh I guess we all enjoy a good fight lol huh

 

[bbyrd009]

Sng 6:11, I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, and to see whether the vine flourished, and the pomegranates budded.

There's a Book you don't see Quoted much, huh

 

[Phoneman777]

If you honsetly think that anyone is going to get into heaven because they kept the ten commandments, you truly are a very ignorant man, the only one who ever did it was Christ, and HE will be the only one, according to you (SDA) and the catholics, should throw the mormans in there, heaven is going to be a very empty place.

Paul says that by the preaching of salvation by works, "the offense of the Cross is ceased". What's so offensive about the Cross? Because it demands total surrender of every single aspect of our lives to Christ - thoughts, words, deeds.

Therefore, the real preachers of salvation by works are the Antinomianists like yourself. How? Because you find such surrender so offensive, you by your own hands clenching demonic tools of deceit have constructed a false gospel which allows you by partial surrender only to obtain that which only total surrender may obtain.

You want a Savior Who surrendered all for you to accept only partial surrender from yourself because you find the total surrender that the Cross demands so offensive. Isn't it so laughable how we who find God's commandments "not grievous" (1 John 5:2-3) are accused of preaching "salvation by works" by those who by their false gospel cause the "offense of the Cross" to cease? LOL

 

[Phoneman777]

God is ALWAYS speaking to His people, who are walking in His Spirit, and are "hasting" unto the day of His fiery and sudden return. 2 Pet. 3:12.

When we read that verse, those who are born again of His Spirit, will realize that within themselves there is an earnest eagerness for this world to end soon.
That deep conviction is Christ Himself within us, looking and waiting also, for the Father to send Him for us.
As for all others, who do not have that conviction, they ARE NOT hasting unto the Day of God, and therefore would prefer that you don't talk about it.
And for that, DON'T! They will only turn on you!!

At the moment, because His Revelations for this time are new to you, and for YOU, I would urge you to be discerning through the Holy Spirit, as to who you should talk to and who you should not.

You can "test the waters", so to speak, by sharing it only with a close friend/brother, that you KNOW is born again. Take your time with them, for they are like a glass full of dirty water (false doctrines), and shall not release them, until they are "displaced" by the Lord revealing it to them, and not you.
.
Now, along with the revelations that God is giving you, he will point you to scriptures that are of topical concerns, that will change your way of thinking.
Isa. 55:8-9
"His thoughts and ways" about His OWN words, will be extremely contrary to that which is generally accepted and popular. Sometimes even down right startling!!
.
There is a difference between Christ-ianity and Church-ianity. The latter (all denominations) have their feet solidified in cement, and are unable to depart from their analytically learned " end time" doctrines.
However, all individual born again Christians will eventually perceive and discern, that the visible churches have their foundations in the earth, and that there are those in them (tares), who love it to be so. From them, you will turn away from, or at least be cautious when around them.
Be patient and take your time. You will have much to UN-learn as well RE-learn.

Are you saying all those Great Protestant Reformers who were so willing to die at once for the faith as they stood against papal tyranny were all the example of "Churchianity", but the masses who fill the non-denominational "emergent church" cesspools of our day who recoil in horror and indignation at the mere "pharisaic" suggestion that they ought to adhere to the clearly delineated Biblical standards for Christian living are the example of "Christianity"?

 

[Waiting on him]

I'm going to speak up when there is mean-spiritedness; especially against someone who seems troubled. I'd do the same for you Anthony.

God allowed me to be hurt in several churches. I saw it all - the unchristlikeness, the politics, the lies, the group-think, the joke at another's expense. I don't have the stomach for it anymore. If I can challenge others to be better than I will and I hope you challenge me. We're to be better than that. We're to help carry his burdens and restore him with a spirit of gentleness. We have a high calling. We're to be merciful.

"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." - Phillipians 3:14

"Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass,you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Carry one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ." - Galations 6:1

"Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful." - Luke 6:36

Thou art not far from the kingdom of God.

 

[mjrhealth]

Paul says that by the preaching of salvation by works, "the offense of the Cross is ceased". What's so offensive about the Cross? Because it demands total surrender of every single aspect of our lives to Christ - thoughts, words, deeds.

Being there done that, than we follow after Him and the cross is behind us, this bit.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

and what has any of that got to do with the Law, you are still perusing your flesh and trying to justify your religion just like all the religious do.

 

[Phoneman777]

Being there done that, than we follow after Him and the cross is behind us, this bit.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

and what has any of that got to do with the Law, you are still perusing your flesh and trying to justify your religion just like all the religious do.

I notice you don't dare continue on to verses 14,15, and 16 in your feeble attempt to establish a one-sided, wrested Scripture version of the gospel.

However, my Gospel embraces ALL Scripture. And when done, the only version of the Gospel that is found in Scripture is the Gospel that says we are saved by grace and judged by works, because the presence of works proves we've been saved by grace, while the absence of works proves our faith is in vain and our belief is no more than that of devils who tremble at their soon submergence into the Lake of Fire.

 

[justbyfaith]

and what has any of that got to do with the Law,

Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).