No other President of the USA has gotten such acclaim by so many

[Marymog]

I told you. Back when the country was Christian. You asked when that was and I told you the tipping point was in the 1960's and 70's.

Guess what? Kennedy was assassinated in 1963. Does that mean I want to go back to that. No. I want to go back when the country was Christian.

I realize you're wanting to make hay with your propaganda, but I have already given you my answer. How about the Bay of Pigs or Vietnam? Do I want to go back to that? No. But I want to go back when the country was Christian.

Quantrill

No, you didn't tell me. your playing word games.

Sounds like you want to go back to BEFORE the 60's?

 

[Marymog]

I included what you said in the quote. I didn't misquote. It definitely was a question. Big deal. That changed nothing. The inference was that you disagreed. What I quoted was what you said. There was no dishonesty.

You're reaching Mary.

Quantrill

Hi dishonest Stranger.

No, you didn't include what I said in the quote. A quote is when you COMPLETLY repeat a sentence. YOU DID NOT DO THAT. You left out the question mark. Once you did that it made it look like a statement instead of a question....Hence, DISHONEST.

 

[Marymog]

I told you. Back when the country was Christian. You asked when that was and I told you the tipping point was in the 1960's and 70's.

Guess what? Kennedy was assassinated in 1963. Does that mean I want to go back to that. No. I want to go back when the country was Christian.

I realize you're wanting to make hay with your propaganda, but I have already given you my answer. How about the Bay of Pigs or Vietnam? Do I want to go back to that? No. But I want to go back when the country was Christian.

Quantrill

Soooo it sounds like you want to go back before the 60's. That covers about 200 years of our country history.

Since you are pro-slavery I suspect you want to go back to the time before the Emancipation Proclamation?

I wonder if @Willie T knows you are pro-slavery? I wonder if he will support your "Christian" nation that includes the enslavement of our fellow men women and children? He has come to your defense thus far......Wonder what will happen now. I suspect he will be silent.

Propagandist Mary

 

[Willie T]

I have come to no one's defense. Because you repeatedly have demonstrated that you don't carefully, nor maybe fully, read other people's posts, I was merely pointing out that he had already given you the approximate dating of the times he was talking about.

Frankly, I would even "defensively" restate parts of your own posts if someone claimed you either didn't say something you did say, or if they claimed you said something you never said.

 

[Stranger]

No, you didn't tell me. your playing word games.

Sounds like you want to go back to BEFORE the 60's?

No, you are playing the games, which you do so well. You can bring up bad things from any time. That is not the point. The point is, was the country Christian?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Hi dishonest Stranger.

No, you didn't include what I said in the quote. A quote is when you COMPLETLY repeat a sentence. YOU DID NOT DO THAT. You left out the question mark. Once you did that it made it look like a statement instead of a question....Hence, DISHONEST.

Propagandist Mary

That the phrase I quoted was a question was evident. It being a question changed nothing. It read as a question and that is how I responded to it. Because you asked the question, shows you didn't agree with me. Look at it again.

Don't you think the anti-christ would be smarter than that

See, even though there is no question mark, it reads as a question. No dishonesty here. For some reason you are under the illusion that it being a question should change what I said. It doesn't.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Soooo it sounds like you want to go back before the 60's. That covers about 200 years of our country history.

Since you are pro-slavery I suspect you want to go back to the time before the Emancipation Proclamation?

I wonder if @Willie T knows you are pro-slavery? I wonder if he will support your "Christian" nation that includes the enslavement of our fellow men women and children? He has come to your defense thus far......Wonder what will happen now. I suspect he will be silent.

Propagandist Mary

What time would that be Mary? What time before the Emancipation would I want to go back?

Stranger

 

[mjrhealth]

Jesus was talking to and speaking of the Jews who were dishonoring him at that time. If you knew Scripture you would know that. But since you don't know Scripture you didn't know that.

Sooooo since you made such a stupid comment I will allow you to "plead stupidity" in this case since the quote from Scripture you gave has NOTHING to do with me or my ilk.

Bible Study Mary

Yes and he speaks to the same people today, the religious, the pharisees, the lawyers and the hypocrites, nothing new under the sun.

Obviously no one is reaching you.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I found the mid 50's to 60 to be the most "Christian"-leaning times I was alive to remember.

Actually, most of the "Jim Crow" laws were considered very Biblical because they were primarily against the mixing of any races (as most of the old Scriptures taught), and many of the people who also followed (and still do follow) much of the OT laws, sincerely believed they were legitimately continuing God's wishes as put down in many, many Scriptures. Even Blacks felt Blacks should not marry or socialize with Whites. And that is all that the laws of that era were meant to ensure. (Don't forget many of the later Jim Crow laws were aimed at many other races too, especially Asian.... due to the war.)

We have the benefit, however dubious and doubtfully advantageous that may be, of being able to look back and blissfully declare how barbaric those times were.

But, bear in mind that those people who will be living two hundred years from now will probably look back at things we, today, swear by and defend as "righteous" and also declare us as Barbarians lost in ignorance.

And going even farther into the future, the people living 500 years from now will likely dump ALL of us into the same pot of sick, despicable and depraved heretics. (And it goes on... and on…)

Hopefully they will even 10 years from now.

 

[Marymog]

No, you are playing the games, which you do so well. You can bring up bad things from any time. That is not the point. The point is, was the country Christian?

Stranger

If our Country was Christian when we allowed slavery, Jim Crow laws, children to work in unsafe factories, industrial waste to be poured into our rivers, women not allowed to vote, anti-Catholicism in our Country (Anti-Catholicism in the United States - Wikipedia) etc. etc. then NO, our Countrymen were NOT acting like Christians and our Country was NOT Christian.

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. (Titus 1:16)

Historical Mary

 

[Marymog]

What time would that be Mary? What time before the Emancipation would I want to go back?

Stranger

How about........... 1688, when the Quakers in Germantown, Pennsylvania wrote a two-page condemnation of the practice of slavery......

How about when......The Society for the Relief of Free Negroes Unlawfully Held in Bondage was formed which was the first American abolition society and when Thomas Paine wrote one of the first articles advocating the emancipation of slaves and the abolition of slavery, titled "African Slavery in America"......both occurred in 1775!!

Would you like to go back to that time???

It is sad that you don't deny being pro-slavery......

I have now given an exact time frame. Why can't you???

What time would you like to go back to???

Mary

 

[Willie T]

I am surprised at you, Mary, being all warped out of shape that people in early America interpreted the Bible as fully accepting of slavery. The Bible is chock-full of references to slavery and instructions as to how they were to treat their slaves. It was a common, everyday way of life in Biblical days. Perhaps you tend to read the Bible through mainly 21st century eyes? Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all those Early Church Fathers we revere so much all owned slaves as a normal practice of their lives.

 

[Stranger]

If our Country was Christian when we allowed slavery, Jim Crow laws, children to work in unsafe factories, industrial waste to be poured into our rivers, women not allowed to vote, anti-Catholicism in our Country (Anti-Catholicism in the United States - Wikipedia) etc. etc. then NO, our Countrymen were NOT acting like Christians and our Country was NOT Christian.

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. (Titus 1:16)

Historical Mary

Mythmaker Mary

Just because you find plenty of things during every era that you don't like doesn't mean the U.S. was not Christian. I have explained it to you already. The country operated on Christian principles. It's government, it's laws, it's people. Doesn't mean everyone was Christian. Doesn't mean every thing done was Christian.

The U.S. was definitely founded as a Protestant Christian country. Not Romanist. That is just the way it is Mary. That doesn't make it not Christian.

So, according to you the U.S. was never a Christian country. Correct?

Stranger

 

[Marymog]

I have come to no one's defense. Because you repeatedly have demonstrated that you don't carefully, nor maybe fully, read other people's posts, I was merely pointing out that he had already given you the approximate dating of the times he was talking about.

Frankly, I would even "defensively" restate parts of your own posts if someone claimed you either didn't say something you did say, or if they claimed you said something you never said.

Hey Willie,

Soooooo you didn't come to @Stranger defense in post #202 when you interjected yourself into the conversation and said (in part) 'Oh, quit playing games.......He just finished telling you the time he wishes for was pre 60's and 70's... not the beginning of the century.'

Pre 60's-70's covers 200 years of our Countries beginnings. It was in those 200 years we had all the aforementioned "Christian" laws/practices.

You believe that Stranger wants to go back to those times??

I apologize for not asking you: Would you like to go back to those times?

Mary

 

[Stranger]

How about........... 1688, when the Quakers in Germantown, Pennsylvania wrote a two-page condemnation of the practice of slavery......

How about when......The Society for the Relief of Free Negroes Unlawfully Held in Bondage was formed which was the first American abolition society and when Thomas Paine wrote one of the first articles advocating the emancipation of slaves and the abolition of slavery, titled "African Slavery in America"......both occurred in 1775!!

Would you like to go back to that time???

It is sad that you don't deny being pro-slavery......

I have now given an exact time frame. Why can't you???

What time would you like to go back to???

Mary

You're the one telling the time story. I have already told you... to when the country was Christian. I gave you the tipping point which was the 1960's and 70's. So, in other words any time before that is fine.

I see you like Thomas Paine. I'm sure you have a lot in common.

Mary, Mary, you act as if I am trying to get the slavery institution started again. It is your propaganda streak that you can't get away from. I really praise God you no longer teach.

I will side with the Bible concerning slavery, and let you side with Paine.

You don't believe the country was ever Christian, thus there is no time I could choose. Of course you are wrong as usual, but that is your game.

Stranger

 

[Marymog]

Mythmaker Mary

Just because you find plenty of things during every era that you don't like doesn't mean the U.S. was not Christian. I have explained it to you already. The country operated on Christian principles. It's government, it's laws, it's people. Doesn't mean everyone was Christian. Doesn't mean every thing done was Christian.

The U.S. was definitely founded as a Protestant Christian country. Not Romanist. That is just the way it is Mary. That doesn't make it not Christian.

So, according to you the U.S. was never a Christian country. Correct?

Stranger

Thank you Stranger.

Hmmmmmm......."The country operated on Christian principles. It's government, it's laws, it's people"??????

Jim Crow laws, children working in unsafe factories, industrial waste to be poured into our rivers, women not allowed to vote, anti-Catholicism in our Country etc. etc. I don't recognize those as "Christian principles". Which Christ are you following?

Mary

 

[Willie T]

Hey Willie,
Soooooo you didn't come to @Stranger defense in post #202 when you interjected yourself into the conversation and said (in part) 'Oh, quit playing games.......He just finished telling you the time he wishes for was pre 60's and 70's... not the beginning of the century.'

Pre 60's-70's covers 200 years of our Countries beginnings. It was in those 200 years we had all the aforementioned "Christian" laws/practices.
You believe that Stranger wants to go back to those times??
I apologize for not asking you: Would you like to go back to those times?
Mary

You clearly seem to have difficulty with Reading Comprehension. He told you, in plain English, the time period in which he saw America turning from God, and said he would like to go back to the years prior to that happening. I defended nothing; I simply tried to help you see the time period you can't seem to understand that he was referencing.

 

[Marymog]

You're the one telling the time story. I have already told you... to when the country was Christian. I gave you the tipping point which was the 1960's and 70's. So, in other words any time before that is fine.

I see you like Thomas Paine. I'm sure you have a lot in common.

Mary, Mary, you act as if I am trying to get the slavery institution started again. It is your propaganda streak that you can't get away from. I really praise God you no longer teach.

I will side with the Bible concerning slavery, and let you side with Paine.

You don't believe the country was ever Christian, thus there is no time I could choose. Of course you are wrong as usual, but that is your game.

Stranger

Thank you Stranger.

I pray to God that we never go back to the enslavement of our fellow human beings like you want to do. I suspect if you were ever enslaved you would be knelling with me in prayer.

According to your theory our country was more Christian when our government and citizens allowed/practiced slavery, Jim Crow laws, children to work in unsafe factories, industrial waste to be poured into our rivers, women not allowed to vote, anti-Catholicism in our Country etc. etc.

I don't like your version of a Christian Country. I like my version better....None of those. God has laws in place to judge the immoral people after the tipping point of the 60's and 70's that you have mentioned. Our Country (men) had laws that allowed the immoral actions of men without judgment. Those laws are gone..... thank God!! You want to go back to a time when those laws of men were enforced....I can't figure out why and it makes me sad for you.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

You clearly seem to have difficulty with Reading Comprehension. He told you, in plain English, the time period in which he saw America turning from God, and said he would like to go back to the years prior to that happening. I defended nothing; I simply tried to help you see the time period you can't seem to understand that he was referencing.

Nope....No difficulty with "Reading Comprehension".

He made it clear he wanted to go back before the 60's 70's. That covers 200 years of our history which went from slavery to NO slavery. Women not allowed to vote to women ALLOWED to vote, No Jim Crow laws to having Jim Crow laws They were not all in effect at the same time which means we had an immense variance in our Countries laws/practices.

Sooooo it has nothing to do with "Reading Comprehension". It is a matter of articulating what turning from God means to him. When did we turn from God? When we allowed slavery or abolished it? When we passed laws protecting children and the earth God gave us OR before those laws were passed?

To me, and I hope to you, it seems that allowing slavery BY LAW is turning from God. Jim Crow laws are not OF GOD. We turned to God when we enacted laws that STOPPED children from working in factories and those factory owners from dumping waste into the water.

Sooooooo PLEASE don't pretend that he was clear about the time frame America turned from God because he wasn't. One could argue both before and after the 60's and 70's we "turned from God".

If you would have read what I wrote AND his lack of answers to direct questions and if you knew anything about our Countries history you would not have had such a difficult time understanding or comprehending what I was saying or trying to illicit from him.

As usual you dodged my question: Would you like to go back to those times?

Or is this one of those times I am supposed to PM you....the rules are so confusing.

Mary

 

[Stranger]

Thank you Stranger.

Hmmmmmm......."The country operated on Christian principles. It's government, it's laws, it's people"??????

Jim Crow laws, children working in unsafe factories, industrial waste to be poured into our rivers, women not allowed to vote, anti-Catholicism in our Country etc. etc. I don't recognize those as "Christian principles". Which Christ are you following?

Mary

I've already explained it to you.

Stranger