Calvinism is NOT a Cult!

[justbyfaith]

The problem with anything you say JBF is your "oneness" beliefs that rot out any credibility you might otherwise have. We might as well argue with a Muslim or JW. It would go just as far either way. You are a cultist by historic church and bible standards attacking orthodoxy according to biblical standards.

Dude, I believe in the Trinity.

You were baptized in Jesus' Name yourself. Should I ascertain from that that you also secretly hold to Oneness beliefs?

I have preached the Trinity faithfully on these boards; but because you are a Tritheist, you oppose me in that. You are not a real Trinitarian at all.

I am blessed (Matthew 5:10-12). The way to life is narrow and strait; and few there be that find it.

You assume that I believe everything Oneness because I have been baptized in Jesus' Name.

Hypocrite.

(Pardon my harshness; but you have been harassing me now over more than 100 (maybe even 200) posts now).

Get a life.

 

[justbyfaith]

How can our faith be rooted in Christ and selfishness at the same time?

Matthew 6:22-24

Initial faith is always an imperfect offering (Romans 3:23)...for we are sinful by nature and we cannot offer a pure offering to Christ, as if we can be saved by a virtuous faith in the beginning. God takes what we offer Him and purifies it...like in OT Israel when the altar was sanctified by blood and everything that touched the altar became holy.

You've shown no proof to support the contrary

The proof is in the pudding; and I do not have to dredge up the posts that are evidence of the fact. For it is evident (I suppose that that is redundant; but I like it).

 

[Mjh29]

Initial faith is always an imperfect offering (Romans 3:23)...for we are sinful by nature and we cannot offer a pure offering to Christ, as if we can be saved by a virtuous faith in the beginning. God takes what we offer Him and purifies it...like in OT Israel when the altar was sanctified by blood and everything that touched the altar became holy.



The proof is in the pudding; and I do not have to dredge up the posts that are evidence of the fact. For it is evident (I suppose that that is redundant; but I like it).

All you've done so far is try to explain to us your warped, changing philosphy and ignore every verse I have supplied you with, clinging desperately to your one or 2 misinterpreted verses and cheesy one liners. Now, perhaps we could get somewhere if you would ever actually provide your interpretation of what the verses we provide.

 

[justbyfaith]

All you've done so far is try to explain to us your warped, changing philosphy and ignore every verse I have supplied you with, clinging desperately to your one or 2 misinterpreted verses and cheesy one liners. Now, perhaps we could get somewhere if you would ever actually provide your interpretation of what the verses we provide.

I think that you should simply ask the Holy Spirit what the interpretation is; what I believe about it doesn't matter.

But I will tell you that the Holy Spirit will not give you an interpretation that contradicts the plain meaning of Romans 5:2.

 

[Dave L]

Dude, I believe in the Trinity.

You were baptized in Jesus' Name yourself. Should I ascertain from that that you also secretly hold to Oneness beliefs?

I have preached the Trinity faithfully on these boards; but because you are a Tritheist, you oppose me in that. You are not a real Trinitarian at all.

I am blessed (Matthew 5:10-12). The way to life is narrow and strait; and few there be that find it.

You assume that I believe everything Oneness because I have been baptized in Jesus' Name.

Hypocrite.

(Pardon my harshness; but you have been harassing me now over more than 100 (maybe even 200) posts now).

Get a life.

You wrote your own version of it that has nothing to do with scripture. If it did you would agree with the church and not continue to be her enemy.

 

[Mjh29]

I think that you should simply ask the Holy Spirit what the interpretation is; what I believe about it doesn't matter.

But I will tell you that the Holy Spirit will not give you an interpretation that contradicts the plain meaning of Romans 5:2.

I can't remember the last time I heard a pastor preach "If you are greedy.... GOOD! Be more greedy! Go get yourself faith, even if you don't really care about Jesus, that doesn't matter. Even if your only goal is to get yourself into heaven, with no regard for
Christ or who He was.

Wow. That would be sad and pathetic to say the least.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I think that you should simply ask the Holy Spirit what the interpretation is; what I believe about it doesn't matter.

But I will tell you that the Holy Spirit will not give you an interpretation that contradicts the plain meaning of Romans 5:2.

You're correct, the Holy Spirit won't do that, but you have.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

It’s simple to see what’s being argued here. Gods glory vs mans glory. It’s impossible to be seen through self righteous prideful eyes.

I tried my best....
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It is not your fault.
1 cor2:14 is in effect.
They cannot welcome truth until salvation comes to visit them.

 

[justbyfaith]

I tried my best....
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It is not your fault.
1 cor2:14 is in effect.
They cannot welcome truth until salvation comes to visit them. [/QUOTE]
Proof that Calvinism is a cult...now you are even condemning those who do not hold to the doctrines of the cult.

 

[Mjh29]

It is not your fault.
1 cor2:14 is in effect.
They cannot welcome truth until salvation comes to visit them.

Proof that Calvinism is a cult...now you are even condemning those who do not hold to the doctrines of the cult.[/QUOTE]

No, he's condemning those who don't hold to the doctrines of the Bible. You don't have to hold to all of the tenants of Calvinism to be a Christian. However, those who believe they save themselves by their own greed may need to rethink what it is to know Christ.

 

[justbyfaith]

I can't remember the last time I heard a pastor preach "If you are greedy.... GOOD! Be more greedy! Go get yourself faith, even if you don't really care about Jesus, that doesn't matter. Even if your only goal is to get yourself into heaven, with no regard for
Christ or who He was.

Wow. That would be sad and pathetic to say the least.

A pastor will preach (and faithfully)...you are a sinner, and the only way you can be saved is through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. Come as you are, with all your sins, with all your iniquities...let Christ come into your heart, and He will take care of the sin that is in your heart...He catches the fish and then He cleans them.

And if your only goal is to get yourself in heaven, the Lord knows that and He is able to deal with that.

Bring to the Lord an imperfect offering, for that is all you have to give...and He will purify and cleanse it so that it might be acceptable to Him.

 

[Mjh29]

A pastor will preach (and faithfully)...you are a sinner, and the only way you can be saved is through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. Come as you are, with all your sins, with all your iniquities...let Christ come into your heart, and He will take care of the sin that is in your heart...He catches the fish and then He cleans them.

And if your only goal is to get yourself in heaven, the Lord knows that and He is able to deal with that.

Bring to the Lord an imperfect offering, for that is all you have to give...and He will purify and cleanse it so that it might be acceptable to Him.

So then why ever change? Why can't I have my cake and eat it too? What if I want to continue on living in sin and never change, never care about Jesus? How's about I just 'choose Jesus', let Him be my fire insurance, and live my life as though nothing is different?

 

[justbyfaith]

justbyfaith: Proof that Calvinism is a cult...now you are even condemning those who do not hold to the doctrines of the cult.

No, he's condemning those who don't hold to the doctrines of the Bible. You don't have to hold to all of the tenants of Calvinism to be a Christian. However, those who believe they save themselves by their own greed may need to rethink what it is to know Christ.

First of all, you are twisting my words to make them suit your fancy.

Secondly, you are condemning us for not holding to the doctrines of Calvinism, not for rejecting the doctrines of the Bible. The Bible teaches what we are saying and not what you are saying.

And therefore 1 Corinthians 2:14 applies to y'all and not to us.

 

[Mjh29]

For a person can come to faith even for selfish reasons; and the Lord will even honour such a faith as that.

Please explain to me what I am twisting again?

 

[justbyfaith]

So then why ever change? Why can't I have my cake and eat it too? What if I want to continue on living in sin and never change, never care about Jesus? How's about I just 'choose Jesus', let Him be my fire insurance, and live my life as though nothing is different?

I could ask you the same thing...if you are saved before you can come to faith, why come to faith? you are already saved.

But in answer to your question, we come to Christ in repentance...which means that we turn away from our sins when we begin to place our trust in Him...this, however, certainly does not mean that we are already good before we repent. It should be clear that every man is a sinner before he repents...and that he must come to God warts and all so that the Lord can clean him up.

 

[justbyfaith]

Please explain to me what I am twisting again?

For one thing, you deny Total Depravity in your heart, when it is a major tenet of what you are supposed to believe as a Calvinist.

 

[Mjh29]

I could ask you the same thing...if you are saved before you can come to faith, why come to faith? you are already saved.

But in answer to your question, we come to Christ in repentance...which means that we turn away from our sins when we begin to place our trust in Him...this, however, certainly does not mean that we are already good before we repent. It should be clear that every man is a sinner before he repents...and that he must come to God warts and all so that the Lord can clean him up.

Grace and Faith happen almost simultaneously. But grace comes first, because all good things, [including faith] come from God

 

[Mjh29]

For one thing, you deny Total Depravity in your heart, when it is a major tenet of what you are supposed to believe as a Calvinist.

.... I never denied that. See, this is the problem; you are so caught up in spewing your unfactual whatever that you never even asked what I believed or why I believe it. It is really hard to have an actual conversation with people who want to run around with their fingers in their ears and cry victory.

I hold to Total Depravity. Do you even know what that means?

 

[justbyfaith]

Grace and Faith happen almost simultaneously. But grace comes first, because all good things, [including faith] come from God

If grace comes first, then faith isn't necessary.

 

[Mjh29]

If grace comes first, then faith isn't necessary.

Just because you don't do it, it is not necessary? Do you consciously keep your heart beating? Does that somehow make it unnecessary?