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ScottA

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salvation is life or death in eternity yet god only gives us clues to find true salvation. When I give my children good gifts I don’t make them try to decipher clues or other peoples opinions. I give it to them freely and hope they enjoy it. God, not so much from your description.

Show me this prison exists and we can talk more about your analogy.
You misunderstand.

Back up your example of you and your children... Now add in that they wanted to kill you and take your place, they disavow you, and to add insult to injury, they demand proof that you are their father.

Still feeling all cuddly and righteous? You shouldn't.

You are the prison. Are you real? Prove it yourself.
 

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If you do a study you would understand the other two ideas are not feasible.
yes and then they will give me scripture that they say shows that yours is wrong. There is no way to verify any of this.
 

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You misunderstand.

Back up your example of you and your children... Now add in that they wanted to kill you and take your place, they disavow you, and to add insult to injury, they demand proof that you are their father.

Still feeling all cuddly and righteous? You shouldn't.

You are the prison. Are you real? Prove it yourself.
this is what religion does to people. If my children disowned me, hated me etc. I would still love them. And do what I could for them, I would not punish them for it, most parents wouldn’t. If they had no proof I existed I would give them proof.

This is what I mean by saying my morals are superior to the god of the Bible’s morals on some issues.
 

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And why should I believe this version over three other versions that have been posted?

I can understand. Here you will find all kinds of ideas about Christianity and the quip I made earlier about us being human is apt there also could be other reasons. One big thing especially in America is an independent streak so that people do not want others to tell them what to do so you have 40,000 plus denominations because each person has to have their say. People hate obedience under others so you have Christians saying just obey God which is quite convenient because than as you have observed they can come up with their own ideas. So why do Christians disagree because most want to do things their way.
 

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this is what religion does to people. If my children disowned me, hated me etc. I would still love them. And do what I could for them, I would not punish them for it, most parents wouldn’t. If they had no proof I existed I would give them proof.

This is what I mean by saying my morals are superior to the god of the Bible’s morals on some issues.
You still don't have you analogy straight.

You say you would still love your children, but do not perceive that God too loves his children. To modify the analogy to fit your response, it would mean that your children committed suicide, and when you came across from life to death to bring them back, they refused your rescue. Then, picking up with the insult to injury, they also sabotaged your efforts and campaigned against you. Have your own children never done this, never rebelled? All children do...and when they do, saying that you don't love them and that they hate you - are they right? Because that is your case at present. You are that child who things your father is not moving heaven and earth to come to your aid. Again, here is the precedence that you should learn from to know that your position is just the opposite of what you are feeling and aware of at this point in your adolescence.

Perhaps he will succeed. Perhaps you will never come around...just as some children never do until it's too late. But this is your adolescence...not his.
 
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You still don't have you analogy straight.

You say you would still love your children, but do not perceive that God too loves his children. To modify the analogy to fit your response, it would mean that your children committed suicide, and when you came across from life to death to bring them back, they refused your rescue. Then, picking up with the insult to injury, they also sabotaged your efforts and campaigned against you. Have you own children never done this, never rebelled? All children do...and when they do, saying that you don't love them and that they hate you - are they right? Because that is your case at present. You are that child who things your father is not moving heaven and earth to come to your aid. Again, here is the precedence that you should learn from to know that your position is just the opposite of what you are feeling and aware of at this point in your adolescence.

Perhaps he will succeed. Perhaps you will never come around...just as some children never do until it's too late. But this is your adolescence...not his.
I don’t hate god, I am not angry at god, I am just looking for sufficient evidence he exists.

I would never punish my child in hell for anything they did to me. You wouldn’t either. You would Not write rules for one of your children to enslave the other. If he exists then you and I have superior morals anyway.
 

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I don’t hate god, I am not angry at god, I am just looking for sufficient evidence he exists.

I would never punish my child in hell for anything they did to me. You wouldn’t either. You would Not write rules for one of your children to enslave the other. If he exists then you and I have superior morals anyway.

No God means nothing should exist by the laws of causality and all things have beginnings and ends. But the universe exists.
 

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No God means nothing should exist by the laws of causality and all things have beginnings and ends. But the universe exists.
your first premise is an assumption. No one knows how the universe started. Jumping to god did it is a fallacy.
 

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The reason is because not all who profess to be Christians are Christians. A Christian is a disciple of Christ one who follows in the Masters footsteps. The first and foremost part of this discipleship is the full surrender and or consecration of oneself to the Father. Such and such alone if their consecration be accepted, “For no man takes this honor unto himself save he who is (first) called by God” are the only true Christians.

God is not calling everyone at this time; he is only seeking the select few who will be made copies of his dear son, these if proven faithful unto death will constitute the body of Christ, the true Church and will be used in the blessing of all the rest of mankind in due time.

The great majority of professed believers are “tares” imitation wheat, although they don’t fully realize it. Not all of them are bad people per say, many appear to be upstanding individuals, but alas many are hypocrites possessing a form of godliness but lacking the power thereof, that is they put on the airs of being a Christian, but their hearts (their words and actions) tell a different story.

The problem is that the standard for be a true disciple, a Christian has been lowered over time, now just about anyone can profess to be a Christian, of course this does not mean that they are truly Christians, nor that they have been begotten of the Father. Those who are begotten of the Father are begotten of truth, tares are begotten of error.

The true culprits in this deception have been the “blind guides” these have succeeded in convincing the majority that a mere profession of faith in Christ is all that is necessary to spirit begettal and to receive the Holy Spirit. Poor souls what they imagine to be the guidance of the Holy Spirit is nothing more than their emotions, “feelings”. The evidence that they are relying on feelings rather than the guidance of the Holy Spirit is that today they “feel” close to God, tomorrow far from him, it goes back and forth depending on how they “feel” from one day to the next.

The other evidence is that these generally give very little evidence of a knowledge of the “deep things” of the word of God, which only those guided of the spirit can comprehend. Allowances of course being made for those who are but “babes in Christ” who have not been properly educated in the truth due to various reasons, primarily because they remain in Babylon and there is very little truth there to feed upon, what little truth there is has been polluted through the doctrines and precepts of men.

Because the professing church is over-run with tares (the tare’s far out numbering the wheat) it is but natural that they hold all the leading positions in the professing church and thus dictate its teachings. These of course not being spirit begotten and therefore not spiritually minded can only perceive that which the natural man is capable of comprehending, thus the confusion and the conflicting creeds. And yes this has even affected how they perceive salvation works.

Blessings in Christ Jesus! I see that you have great insight and yet it will be ignored on this thread. And those that truly are, those that The Lord has raised up, in these end times, are of One accord, having the same mind being in Christ Jesus. It is these that have not loved their own lives, but have laid it down so that others may live. It is these, not trained by flesh and blood(nourished in the wilderness) that will turn the battle back in the coming days ahead.
 

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I've always wished some of these 'Big Bang', "Something from Nothing" theorists could please tell me, What banged?
some scientists think that is the best explanation so far. None think it is the total answer. Christians believe a god that always existed made everything by speaking with no evidence. Why does a god exist instead of nothing.