Eve in the Garden

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Do you think if Eve didn't eat the fruit in the Garden of Eden, Adam would have, or one of their children? Was it bound to happen?
 

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Do you think if Eve didn't eat the fruit in the Garden of Eden, Adam would have, or one of their children? Was it bound to happen?
The tree of life? Yes. It was not forbidden.

The tree of knowledge, either when they did or no. Think of the war in heaven when the angels all make their decisions.

Their children? They did not have sex until after the tree gave them sin nature. So what children?
 

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The tree of life? Yes. It was not forbidden.

The tree of knowledge, either when they did no.

Their children? They did not have sex until after the tree gave them sin nature. So what children?

So you think there would be no children with no sin? Do you think sex is a consequence of sin? I wonder if we would have bore children without pain...

That is an interesting thought too if they chose the tree of life rather then the tree of knowledge.
 

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Do you think if Eve didn't eat the fruit in the Garden of Eden, Adam would have, or one of their children? Was it bound to happen?

Not taking the Bible at face value without suppositions is like asking would the dog have caught the rabbit if it hadn't have stopped to scratch.

We must accept the written word without assigning what ifs to it. This is wisdom.

Much error has come into being by assigning, projecting things that never ever happened. It's Satan who says "what if".

The serpent asked "hath God said"... Doubt.
 

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Not taking the Bible at face value without suppositions is like asking would the dog have caught the rabbit if it hadn't have stopped to scratch.

We must accept the written word without assigning what ifs to it. This is wisdom.

Much error has come into being by assigning, projecting things that never ever happened. It's Satan who says "what if".

The serpent asked "hath God said"... Doubt.

This is wise advice. Thank you. I'm very good at what ifs. God definitely worked everything together for the good.
 
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So you think there would be no children with no sin? Do you think sex is a consequence of sin? I wonder if we would have bore children without pain...

That is an interesting thought too if they chose the tree of life rather then the tree of knowledge.
Sex is for reproduction. Without death why reproduction?

But God did tell them to populate the earth.

Without sin, sex is pleasurable.

If they reproduced without having eaten of the tree, I don't think there would have been pain.

But as God noted, if they would have eaten of both trees they would've had eternal life in sinful flesh. So he threw them out of the Garden.

A lot of hypotheticals here that we cannot answer.
 
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One time when I was pregnant and my hormones were really out of wack, I had a what if in my mind of my hubby cheating on me. I got so worked up, I almost forgot it was hypothetical and wasn't real. I was fixing to throw all his stuff out the window. Lol. When Bobby got home from work in the morning, I told him what happened and we just sat there laughing for the longest time. Best to think about good stuff happening and good stuff that has happened. :D This was a timely message for the moment. Thank you!
 

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They did not have sex until after the tree gave them sin nature.
As though God designed sexual union for procreation to be a sinful thing! Good grief!

All one has to do is look at Genesis 1:28 to see that sexuality was not only good but a necessity in order to receive God's blessings:

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

How in the world could this become a reality without sexual union:Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it?

Getting back to the speculative nature of the OP, nothing was "bound to happen". Nonetheless , in God's foreknowledge what happened was expected to happen. This did not catch God by surprise. But since He chose to make men and angels free moral agents, that's the way it worked out.
 
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As though God designed sexual union for procreation to be a sinful thing! Good grief!

But lust is a powerfully motivating drive mechanism.

You apparently did read my post very carefully on the subject.


All one has to do is look at Genesis 1:28 to see that sexuality was not only good but a necessity in order to receive God's blessings:

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Got also sent pagan nations to conquer and punish Israel.


The fact remains that did not have sex until after sin and physical death was brought up them by denying them access to the tree of life.

So we do not know the if sex was by foreknowledge of their sin or whatever.

Do you think none of their children would ever rebell?

You're making a lot of assumptions that neither of us can answer.


How in the world could this become a reality without sexual union:Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it?

Was it by foreknowledge or by something else?

Getting back to the speculative nature of the OP, nothing was "bound to happen". Nonetheless , in God's foreknowledge what happened was expected to happen. This did not catch God by surprise. But since He chose to make men and angels free moral agents, that's the way it worked out.


Which brings up the issues of Satan and 1/3 of the angels rebelling. And Preadamic creation.

God created the earth to the inhabited. He did not create the earth shapeless and void. God does not create chaos and does not need to multi step the creation of the earth itself.

So how can you be so positive you have it all figured out?
 

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Addressing the OP only. first thanks for the topic, second, scripture, Romans 8:20 "For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope".

this is by God's reasoning that Adam or Eve was to eat, hence the propose of evil. ("the deception", which is not sin, but the alternative to God TRUTH, which is good, meaning our choice). take note, evil is not SIN, but obeying it can cause one to sin. for God never fails nor make any mistakes.

what Eve ate was a "LIE", not anything phyical.

and also the man and the woman was having sex and children in the garden, before they fell into sin and death.

PICJAG.
 

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You need to rethink that since Christ does not have the sin nature we do.[/QUOTE\]

So are you saying, Jehovah God created Adam and Eve with a sinful nature. Because I don't believe that. I agree that after Adam and Eve sinned they acquired a sinful nature because of their choice they made. I don't believe God created Adam or Eve with a sinful nature. Jesus came to this world in the likeness of Adam. Adam was a perfect human when God created him. Like I said I don't believe God created Adam or Eve with a sinful nature.
 

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I'm saying god created Adam and Eve innocent but with freewill.

Just like Satan they chose to abandon their sinless nature.

Disobedience and exercise of freewill gave them a sinful nature that they passed on to us.

Freewill requires the ability to choose to sin or not to sin.
 
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I'm saying god created Adam and Eve innocent but with freewill.

Just like Satan they chose to abandon their sinless nature.

Disobedience and exercise of freewill gave them a sinful nature that they passed on to us.

Freewill requires the ability to choose to sin or not to sin.
Why would God give them free will knowing they would abuse it?
 

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Why would God give them free will knowing they would abuse it?

They didn't abuse it, they used it.

If one is not free to say no they are not truly free. To love you have to be free to hate as well.

You calvinist only see one side of the coin.
 
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Do you think if Eve didn't eat the fruit in the Garden of Eden, Adam would have, or one of their children? Was it bound to happen?

God foreknew what would happen and included in his Plan.

If they had not eaten I don't think they would have children. They didn't have sex until they ate.
 

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I'm saying god created Adam and Eve innocent but with freewill.

Just like Satan they chose to abandon their sinless nature.

Disobedience and exercise of freewill gave them a sinful nature that they passed on to us.

Freewill requires the ability to choose to sin or not to sin.
I'm saying god created Adam and Eve innocent but with freewill.

Just like Satan they chose to abandon their sinless nature.

Disobedience and exercise of freewill gave them a sinful nature that they passed on to us.

Freewill requires the ability to choose to sin or not to sin.

So are you saying you don't believe Jehovah God sent his Only-begotten Son to earth in the likeness of Adam? That you don't believe Gods Only-begotten Son when on Earth didn't have free will? See I believe Jehovahs Only-begotten Son has free will and always have had free will, all of the intelligent creatures Jehovah God brought into existence has always had free will and always will have free will. The scriptures show us that Jehovah God Only-begotten Son when on Earth was tempted just like us but didn't sin, didn't disobey his father and God. That means that Jesus Christ when on Earth as a perfect sinless human proved that Adam had the ability by his free will to always choose to be obedient to God. Do you honestly believe that when God commanded Adam to not eat of the knowledge of the Tree of good and evil that God was commanding something that was impossible for Adam to do.
 
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