Calvinism is a Cult

[SovereignGrace]

Yes...but it is 'BIBLICAL FOREKNOWLEDGE"...Not God simply knowing what will take place in the future, but rather God knowing the people intimately......Adam, knew his wife eve and she conceived, Adam knew his wife again ,and she conceived.

Did Adam forget who she was, or does it speak of intimate knowledge of her.i will post some sermons for you if you want on this..

Foreknowledge is a verb in the Greek, so it’s something He does.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Well, I'm done here for now trying to get a professing believer to act like one. Yack away jfb, tell us some more fibs and show us that repentance you repented of in short order...

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Lay it all out there. Show me, please, where I have shown forth lack of integrity and honesty.

It seems to me that you are attacking my character because I disagree with your doctrine.

And perhaps this is lack of integrity and honesty, the proverbial three fingers pointing back.

I've done this pages back but you would have none of it. Balls in your court, love your soul enough to go find it and reread it. Several have called you on this, not just me.

 

[justbyfaith]

Because you're fully aware of his statements, and you are also involved in doing the same in his Calvinist is a cult thread. So, you are fully aware, please stop the pretense.

Now you're accusing me of lying. I lie not, my consicnece bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, that I have not seen the thread that you are speaking of. If I'm lyin', I'm dyin'.

I won't be held accountable for pointing out that behavior and the lies. Do you even listen to yourself? You've totally misrepresented me here, and libeled, and you're talking about me pointing a finger? Nothing I've said was false. Nothing. So much for your short lived "repentance" right?

Stop being so self-righteous. This thread has turned into a thing of dragging Christ's name through the mud because of you. We are biting and devouring one another as we speak; but you have an excuse on your day of judgment because you were in a cult and weren't really a Christian. At least that is what you have implied.

Stop bickering. If this were some other message boards you would have been disciplined a long time ago.

I'm thankful for the freedom that we have on these boards to speak our minds but I feel now that this is in jeopardy because of what is currently happening.

 

[justbyfaith]

I've done this pages back but you would have none of it. Balls in your court, love your soul enough to go find it and reread it. Several have called you on this, not just me.

All my sins are under the blood, what about you?

 

[SovereignGrace]

If that is the case, then the scripture in question says that all men will come to Jesus for salvation.

See my Brother, here’s your problem. You won’t exegete a verse, just paste it.

κἀγὼ ἐὰν ὑψωθῶ ἐκ τῆς γῆς, πάντας ἑλκύσω πρὸς ἐμαυτόν.[John 12:32]

”And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”[John 12:32 NASB]

To ἑλκύσω means to literally drag off, lead, impel. Seeing that all are not saved, then He is not ἑλκύσω all without exception, or all without exception would be saved.

 

[justbyfaith]

Well, I'm done here for now trying to get a professing believer to act like one. Yack away jfb, tell us some more fibs and show us that repentance you repented of in short order...

That is what this is about...you are convicted over my statement that God has redeemed me from all my sins.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Funny! It's in this very thread that I stated coreissue libels us, and jbf says he hasn't seen the thread. Yet he's been posting in it, agreeing with it and doing the same himself in this very self same thread! "What thread, I never saw it?" Come on! Lol!!!!!

 

[justbyfaith]

See my Brother, here’s your problem. You won’t exegete a verse, just paste it.

κἀγὼ ἐὰν ὑψωθῶ ἐκ τῆς γῆς, πάντας ἑλκύσω πρὸς ἐμαυτόν.[John 12:32]

”And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”[John 12:32 NASB]

To ἑλκύσω means to literally drag off, lead, impel. Seeing that all are not saved, then He is not ἑλκύσω all without exception, or all without exception would be saved.

Instead of accepting the English meaning for draw, you reject the English meaning for all.

Glad to be somewhat back on track anyway. I would rather discuss doctrine than run with a binge on accusations any day of the week.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Yes. We are now slaves to the Christ. Christos Dolous means exactly that.




3 We give thanks to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4 since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love which you have for all the saints; 5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel 6 which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is constantly bearing fruit and increasing, even as it has been doing in you also since the day you heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth;[Colossians 1]

It says the gospel is bearing fruit in all the world. Did everybody who was alive then hear this gospel? No. Those in South America, Central America, North America, Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, North Pole etc. hadn’t heard this gospel at that time. World does not mean everybody whoever lived.

If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.[John 15:19]

Here it says we were chosen out of the world. If world means all whoever lived, how can we be called out of it? World here means the lost, not everybody whoever lived.

He was in the world, and He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him, and the world did not know Him.[John 1:10]

He was in the all whoever lived?
And all whoever lived did not know Him?

Again, world rarely means all whoever lived. It say in John 1:10b and the world was made through Him, so here world means all whoever lived because He made everything, including us.

@Preacher4Truth @Anthony D'Arienzo @Laish @Mjh29
Notice how this post was not addressed? I wonder why?

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

The Biblical Meaning of Foreknowledge

 

[Preacher4Truth]

See my Brother, here’s your problem. You won’t exegete a verse, just paste it.

κἀγὼ ἐὰν ὑψωθῶ ἐκ τῆς γῆς, πάντας ἑλκύσω πρὸς ἐμαυτόν.[John 12:32]

”And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”[John 12:32 NASB]

To ἑλκύσω means to literally drag off, lead, impel. Seeing that all are not saved, then He is not ἑλκύσω all without exception, or all without exception would be saved.

Yep. And all drawn will be raised to life on the last day. So, either we have Universalism, or, he is speaking of all men in the sense of not only Jews, but of other nations; thus all men. It cannot then mean every single person because not all will be raised to eternal life.

 

[justbyfaith]

Funny! It's in this very thread that I stated coreissue libels us, and jbf says he hasn't seen the thread. Yet he's been posting in it, agreeing with it and doing the same himself in this very self same thread! "What thread, I never saw it?" Come on! Lol!!!!!

You want to continue to accuse me, satan. The LORD rebuke you.

@Preacher4Truth, I don't pay attention to every post that isn't addressed to me in a thread.

But keep on taking on the nature of your father and accuse me even more. It only shows the true nature of the fruit in your life.

Didn't I warn you that we all need to heed Galatians 5:15?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Instead of accepting the English meaning for draw, you reject the English meaning for all.

Glad to be somewhat back on track anyway. I would rather discuss doctrine than run with a binge on accusations any day of the week.

But it was not written originally in English my friend. The Greek is correct, and English a translation of it.

 

[CoreIssue]

JBF, I think this is productive. Many churches are not preaching the historic faith, so many have not heard it accurately preached. Others are in churches that actively oppose the truth and target Calvinists
Other churches grow by entertaining goats, not seeking sheep.
Sermonaudio.com, listen to anything by W.R.Downing, Al Martin, Geoff Thomas., James White, Greg Nichols, Sinclair Ferguson, Paul Dowling, and you will hear solid teaching, there are thousands of others there.

Which again demands the question why the Calvinists try to convert others living as they do when it is simply being convinced they're going to the lake for eternity and there's nothing they can do about it.

The honest Calvinists say some of you were going to heaven some of you are going to hell and you don't have any say in the manner where you go. Glory to God.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Instead of accepting the English meaning for draw, you reject the English meaning for all.

Glad to be somewhat back on track anyway. I would rather discuss doctrine than run with a binge on accusations any day of the week.

All drawn by Him will be raised on the last day. If He draws all, all will be saved.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

You want to continue to accuse me, satan. The LORD rebuke you.

@Preacher4Truth, I don't pay attention to every post that isn't addressed to me in a thread.

But keep on taking on the nature of your father and accuse me even more. It only shows the true nature of the fruit in your life.

Didn't I warn you that we all need to heed Galatians 5:15?

Wow look at the above, and he's on me for calling out the lying of others. Then he alludes to Galatians after he says the things above? Lol! Goodness sake. Hey man, I forgive you for it. Obviously you cannot see what you're doing.

 

[justbyfaith]

But it was not written originally in English my friend. The Greek is correct, and English a translation of it.

The English translation is preserved by the sovereignty of the Lord.

 

[justbyfaith]

Wow look at the above, and he's on me for calling out the lying of others. Then he alludes to Galatians after he says the things above? Lol! Goodness sake. Hey man, I forgive you for it. Obviously you cannot see what you're doing.

We're both doing it, that is what I'm trying to tell you. You dragged me into it even after I tried to warn against such a course.

Pro 26:4, Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Pro 26:5, Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Love dictates that I answer a fool according to his folly. Holiness and reputation tells me not to do so. But for me, love wins every time, to my detriment and shame.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Which again demands the question why the Calvinists try to convert others living as they do when it is simply being convinced they're going to the lake for eternity and there's nothing they can do about it.

The honest Calvinists say some of you were going to heaven some of you are going to hell and you don't have any say in the manner where you go. Glory to God.

This post is proof that you are totally ignorant of the historic faith.
men are fully responsible to repent and believe the gospel.God works through means.
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God..


When a person comes to know God savingly, they understand this.