The Coming Great Apostasy

[Phoneman777]

If Christs righteousness is filth, says much of what you think of Him.

The filth with which Antinomianists clothe themselves is not the righteousness of Christ, but a filth stained garment of dis-grace sewn by a forked-tongued tailor.

 

[mjrhealth]

no it doesn't mjr, Pm was discussing a concept and not accusing anyone specifically--maybe one of these days I'll learn that lol--and you are completely ignoring his point to talk about him and accuse him ok, and I guess I don't even need to say why huh.

So no offense but I have to witness for Pm here

If BOL cannot offend me dont think you have much hope.

 

[mjrhealth]

The filth with which Antinomianists clothe themselves is not the righteousness of Christ, but a filth stained garment of dis-grace sewn by a forked-tongued tailor.

If you mean the devil, met him a few times, he isnt nice, deceives the masses, and people think him a fool. He loves a crowd so much easier to convince them of a lie...

 

[bbyrd009]

If BOL cannot offend me dont think you have much hope.

that would be the part of that post that I have come to expect you to react to mjr, the irrelevant part

no it doesn't mjr, Pm was discussing a concept and not accusing anyone specifically--maybe one of these days I'll learn that lol--and you are completely ignoring his point to talk about him and accuse him ok, and I guess I don't even need to say why huh.

So no offense but I have to witness for Pm here

 

[mjrhealth]

that would be the part of that post that I have come to expect you to react to mjr, the irrelevant part

And for a man who doesnt believe Christ died for His sins, which is what Christianity is all about, We are still wondering why you are here.

This bit

Rom_5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.

 

[bbyrd009]

And for a man who doesnt believe Christ died for His sins

I guess admitting that I killed Christ for my sins when I found the world will work fine for now, but ty

if you don't think so then address that if you like

 

[Phoneman777]

If you mean the devil, met him a few times, he isnt nice, deceives the masses, and people think him a fool. He loves a crowd so much easier to convince them of a lie...

Yes, and it's the crowd telling everyone that God's Law is not the standard in the Judgment, but only whether you've prayed the "Sinner's prayer", which is not Biblical. We are saved by grace, but judged by our works, because our works prove whether or not we've been saved by grace. Good trees don't bare bad fruit, neither bad trees good fruit, right or wrong?

 

[Earburner]

Yes, and it's the crowd telling everyone that God's Law is not the standard in the Judgment, but only whether you've prayed the "Sinner's prayer", which is not Biblical. We are saved by grace, but judged by our works, because our works prove whether or not we've been saved by grace. Good trees don't bare bad fruit, neither bad trees good fruit, right or wrong?

 

[Earburner]

Faith in Jesus is the standard!
NOT the Law. John 3:18

 

[mjrhealth]

Yes, and it's the crowd telling everyone that God's Law is not the standard in the Judgment, but only whether you've prayed the "Sinner's prayer", which is not Biblical. We are saved by grace, but judged by our works, because our works prove whether or not we've been saved by grace. Good trees don't bare bad fruit, neither bad trees good fruit, right or wrong?

And you cannot see the stupidity in your statement, you are saved by grace, you say.. but if your works are not good enough Gods going to send you to hell, making Him a liar, and a deceiver, so therefore, according to you, we are not saved by grace at all but by our works...

 

[mjrhealth]

I guess admitting that I killed Christ for my sins when I found the world will work fine for now, but ty

if you don't think so then address that if you like

I didnt know you where there... and no, you never killed Him, no man could, He did it because HE loves us, this bit

Mat_20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

 

[Phoneman777]

Faith in Jesus is the standard!
NOT the Law. John 3:18

Bulldookey. James says we're judged be "the law of liberty" - y'know, that law about "do not kill" and "do not commit adultery" that he's actively speaking about contextually in chapter 2? Let's not search for legal loopholes to get around God's will, right? lest we become that which we falsely accuse others: legalists.

Show me your dead faith without works and I'll show you my living faith by my works.

 

[n2thelight]

The below should tell you that the falling away is from truth and not a rapture

Amos 8:11 "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:"

Amos 8:12 "And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and from to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it."

 

[Phoneman777]

And you cannot see the stupidity in your statement, you are saved by grace, you say.. but if your works are not good enough Gods going to send you to hell, making Him a liar, and a deceiver, so therefore, according to you, we are not saved by grace at all but by our works...

"But if our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are LOST, in whom the god of this world hath blinded them which believeth not, lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ, Who is the image of God, should shine unto them". The true Gospel is hid from your eyes, you preacher of another gospel. The true Gospel is not a license to do evil - it is the good news that:

• You will no longer be a servant of Satan. (Romans 6:14-16)
• You don't have to get what you deserve. (Zechariah 3:1-2)
• You get what you don't deserve. (Zechariah 3:4-10)

But, if the righteous man (as such by his faith in Christ) turns to do evil, none of his righteousness will be remembered and he will die the death of the wicked, according to Ezekiel 18:24.

 

[mjrhealth]

"But if our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are LOST, in whom the god of this world hath blinded them which believeth not, lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ, Who is the image of God, should shine unto them". The true Gospel is hid from your eyes, you preacher of another gospel. The true Gospel is not a license to do evil - it is the good news that:

• You will no longer be a servant of Satan. (Romans 6:14-16)
• You don't have to get what you deserve. (Zechariah 3:1-2)
• You get what you don't deserve. (Zechariah 3:4-10)

But, if the righteous man (as such by his faith in Christ) turns to do evil, none of his righteousness will be remembered and he will die the death of the wicked, according to Ezekiel 18:24.

And yet you do it every day when you break the law and make a mockery of all that Christ has done.There is no righteousness in the law, it is in Christ alone.

Rom_2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

 

[Phoneman777]

And yet you do it every day when you break the law and make a mockery of all that Christ has done.

Stop projecting your filthy mind and filthy habits on me, MJH. You know full well Satan cannot force us to sin or barricade temptation's way of escape, yet you just keep on indulging that filthy immoral fleshly desire in inescapable servitude to the devil while chanting "more than a conqueror, more than a conqueror", right? Repent, MJH, and take hold of Christ's power to deliver you from self.

 

[Earburner]

Bulldookey. James says we're judged be "the law of liberty" - y'know, that law about "do not kill" and "do not commit adultery" that he's actively speaking about contextually in chapter 2? Let's not search for legal loopholes to get around God's will, right? lest we become that which we falsely accuse others: legalists.

Show me your dead faith without works and I'll show you my living faith by my works.

First, you must learn what that context says.
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Have YOU KEPT "the letter of the Law" perfectly, every day?
Are you a sinner or are you not?
From your perspective, you will never understand mat.
All you law keepers use James out of context.
From your perspective, you'll never understand Mat. 5:19-20. Through faith, the "least" ARE IN the KoH/KoG.

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus

the contortions believers will go through to avoid understanding "the law is inadequate" and not "irrelevant"

thank God it's so obvious I guess

 

[Earburner]

Furthermore, you don't know what God's will is!
John 6[40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The evidence of that "belief", will be the extending of mercy towards others, without any preference of favoritism, in respect of persons.
Go back and learn your James!

Many follow (copy) Jesus, but few believe (trust) in Jesus.

 

[Earburner]

And yet you do it every day when you break the law and make a mockery of all that Christ has done.There is no righteousness in the law, it is in Christ alone.

Rom_2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

You have NO understanding of what Col. 3:1-3 means!!
[1] If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
[2] Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
[3] For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.