Here again you must call others liars to keep your theology in tact. This is what religion does to people.
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I am operating buy the worlds rules. The world is based on evidence, science, justice systems, personal finances and on and on. Only religion requires yo to believe without evidence.
Of course he does. God doesn't want to answer honest questions. This is how Christians defend slavery, slaughter of children etc.
I get it I just don't agree with it.
ScottA
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ScottA
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You are reading the wrong signs. Your eyes and your mind are playing tricks on you - is that not a component of scientific fact also? If you turn around, the signs will tell you to go the opposite way. If you turn to the right, they will tell you to go right, if to the left, then left. But this is not rocket science, you still have to choose...and that is the point: If you chose God and life, that is what you get. If you choose against God, the end result is a short life followed by death. As for evidence, if that is not evident...it will be.
You are wrong. God does and has answered every question honestly, but you don't accept it.
As for slavery and the slaughter of children, etc...you have much to learn. Again, you are reading the signs wrong. If you were ready to discuss this I would elaborate with a simple and honest answer. But not if you are just going to do the same as you have been doing.
You don't have a vote.
You gave one definition. Of course the one that suited you. #5 definition in Websters of proof says, "evidence operating to determine the finding or judgment of a tribunal." When one says prove it, they are also saying show me the evidence. Wanting evidence is wanting proof. You are asking for evidence. You are asking for proof.
What honest questions? You do want proof. My theology is intact. It will continue to increase, but it will never go where you are. Well, either you or the Bible is lying. Guess which one I believe? It ain't you. I characterize your whinning and moaning as such because that is what it is.
There are many things the disciples did not understand at the time. Peter didn't want Christ to go to the Cross. Thomas doubted that Christ had risen. They were still all believers and Christ knew they didn't understand all things as yet. So what?
No, you didn't show any verses that said the opposite. See, your whinning and moaning causes you to ignore honest answers. You must keep your unbelief in tact because that is why you are here. You are hoping to cause others to fall into the unbelief that you live in.
It 'is' faith as defined in the Bible. I have showed you. The believers knowing and your knowing are not the same. Faith brings with it a whole other sphere of living. That of the Spirit. Just look at yourself as I said before. You could tell me in the next post that, ok, I believe it. But you would be lying because you don't believe it. You don't have the faith. The believer believes it. He knows it. The Spirit of God has opened his eyes to it. He knows and reasons. But not based on your knowing and reasoning.
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Christians don't operate by the world's rules concerning the things of God. Since you already know that, and disagree with it, why are your questions 'honest' as you say? See, an honest question is one where you are really interested in knowing. But you are not. You are asking for physical evidence and proof when you know Christianity does not offer that to you.
You want everyone to see how smart the atheist is. How he caused the foolish Christians to stumble all over themselves. You convinced bbyrd, but so what? He's muslim anyway.
None come to God by the world's rules. God won't have it. That is why He made it by faith. He made it unbelievable to the world. (1 Cor. 2:12) "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."
Isn't that something? You who claim to be so superior due to your world based reasoning and evidence and proof and science. Yet you can never say 'I know'. You must always qualify that which shows you can't really know for sure. Yet with our God, who has restricted the entrance into His kingdom by faith alone, gives us the ability to know that these things are true. If you gave me a lie detector test right now and asked me if God is there and is His Son Jesus Christ Lord and Saviour, I would say yes, and pass it with flying colors.
You are of the world, we are not.
Stranger
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
So....you think atheists set up science, justice systems and governments? Western society is built on the framework of the church - even Greek ideas were preserved by the church
Words have many meanings. I have been clear on the meanings I am using for them. You cannot take a word someone uses in a particular fashion and put whatever meaning you want into it that was not the intent of the author. That is dishonest.
Exactly. Anyone that doesn't line up with your beliefs must be lying. No introspection at all of your beliefs. Religion will do this.
Believing Jesus will save you is not enough for some Christians.
No, look at the world as a whole. No one in religion, politics, finances news etc. really searches for evidence for their beliefs. They just must win at all cost and get their ideology to win over others in spite of it being reasonable or not.
So you insist that I use your definition of faith but you won't use my definition of evidence and proof. Wow.
Some here has said that it does offer evidence.
Aren't you worried about his eternal life in hell?
Fine. But others disagree with you. Feel free to not respond to my posts. I know where you stand.
Where did I claim to be superior?
Your belief does not make something true.
What advancement in technology did we get from the Bible or from god? Does it say in the bible how to transplant a heart? How to make vaccines? How to feed billions of people? There are many Christian scientists but they don't get their knowledge from god but from scientific principles.
I just gave you Websters definition. Nothing dishonest about it.
If you don't line up with the Bible, then yes you are lying. I have plenty of introspection in learning what the Bible is saying. I do not examine the Bible based on your unbelief. I come to the Bible as the Word of God. You don't.
I don't know what your point is when you say 'believing Jesus will save you is not enough for some Christians'
Christians are not of the world. And we are not worried about 'winning'. Just because you can't affect our faith doesn't mean we are trying to win. Just because we don't succumb to your unbelief doesn't mean we are worried about winning. Perhaps you are a clever feller. You win the argument, whatever it may be. You still don't change our faith. Our faith is not built on your reasoning ability.
I gave you Websters definition showing evidence and proof are the same. Concerning 'faith' I gave you the Biblical faith, as that is what you are addressing. That is what you are attacking.
Stranger
Some here say a lot of things.
No. I simply give the Gospel. The rest is up to God.
Disagree with me...or (1 Cor. 2:12)? I know where you stand also. So I will continue to respond.
When you come mocking the Christians faith when compared to your worldly wisdom. You are not coming as recognizing our faith has merit. You come as mocking our faith because it doesn't meet your worldly wisdom. It doesn't stand up to your science, and evidence, and proof. Thus you see yourself as superior.
Stranger
You are not serious. A dictionary has all of the meanings a word can have. The meaning a word has is either given in context or stated by the one using the word. You cannot just use whatever definition you want.
Some require confession or works or more. Some Christians say you have to remain sinless to be saved.
Well, my context is, evidence is the same as proof. As I said, if you ask for proof, you are asking for evidence. When you say, prove it. Your are asking for evidence. If you ask where is the evidence? You are asking where is the proof.
But all require belief and faith.
Stranger
All scientific knowledge comes from God. God is the Creator of the universe. Man is given the responsibility of subduing the earth. (Gen. 1:28) He is a natural scientist. Science is nothing but man learning about God's creation and subduing it, using what he learns to his advantage. Both Christians and non-christian scientists use the same principles. But they are able to learn and use them only because God has created such a perfect creation.
Stranger
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
You might benefit from learning about the origins of universities - hint: it was church
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