Workers of the flesh will not inherit eternal life

[justbyfaith]

The wages of sin is death (eternal separation from God).

This is talking about spiritual death, agree or disagree?

 

[Bible_Gazer]

Once a person get saved all his past sins are forgiven
We pretty much all believe that.
But where does it say he forgiven us all my future sins without punishment ?
Hebrews 12 tells me that the Lord will punish or chasten us.
Thought is, if our future sin are forgiven then there should not be punishment, we are just forgiven ????

 

[justbyfaith]

Once a person get saved all his past sins are forgiven
We pretty much all believe that.
But where does it say he forgiven us all my future sins without punishment ?
Hebrews 12 tells me that the Lord will punish or chasten us.
Thought is, if our future sin are forgiven then there should not be punishment, we are just forgiven ????

Chastening and punishment are two different things.

I think that the scriptures on Jesus forgiving future sin(s) are found in

Rom 4:8, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Heb 9:12, Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Rom 8:38, For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Also, you can combine these scriptures:

You can confess your future sin(s) according to

Psa 51:3, For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

And because they are confessed, they are forgiven:

1Jo 1:7, But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9, If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jo 1:10, If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[justbyfaith]

Heb 12:1, Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[Bible_Gazer]

Chastening and punishment are two different things.

I think that the scriptures on Jesus forgiving future sin(s) are found in

Rom 4:8, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Heb 9:12, Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Rom 8:38, For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Also, you can combine these scriptures:

You can confess your future sin(s) according to

Psa 51:3, For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

And because they are confessed, they are forgiven:

1Jo 1:7, But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9, If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jo 1:10, If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

So what about the Chastening of the Lord on the believers that are saved.
You are going to get a whooping to correct you from your wrongful ways.
If you forgive someone forever no matter what they do, there should not be any condemnation .

Sin and repent, sin and repent, sin and repent is what they did in the OT.
Has anything changed ?

 

[H. Richard]

If Jesus' work on the cross does not save us then we are certainly lost and can not be saved.

If the gospel of grace does not save us from the condemnation of our sins then there is no hope of salvation.

 

[Bible_Gazer]

If Jesus' work on the cross does not save us then we are certainly lost and can not be saved.

If the gospel of grace does not save us from the condemnation of our sins then there is no hope of salvation.

If grace does not do its work to save us then are we lost.
Condemnation is the process of correction, chastening of the Lord is love.
Isn't grace love ? Then how is it shown ?

 

[Enoch111]

I agree; but what do you make of the following:

Rom 8:12, Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13, For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14, For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

What this means is that those who are children of God must be led by the Spirit of God and not by their flesh. While Christians will sin from time to time, they will not delight in sin, or persist in sin. If they do then they are not children of God.

 

[CoreIssue]

Forgiveness must already be in our heart on the basis of God forgiving us ALL our sins. Their offense is minor in comparison to our guilt before God. If we don't already have forgiveness in our hearts, what are we going to do, fake it when a person asks us to forgive them?

Wanting to forgive and actually forgiving is two different things.

God wants to forgive everyone but will only forgive those who repent first.

When the man pleaded to the king to forgive his debt, the king did so. But when the man refused to forgive another his debt and had him thrown into a prison the king had him thrown into prison.

What is the point of forgiving the unrepentant?

 

[Episkopos]

What are sinners saved by grace, who are assailled by temptation and frequently fall into sin to do?

Grace is the power to walk as Jesus walked...otherwise you are still under the law.

There is no such thing as an immune sinner. A person who sins is under the law. A person who lives by grace is OVER the law. Grace is the power OVER sin.

That is how we know we are walking by grace or in our own strength...that we sin or not.

 

[prism]

Wanting to forgive and actually forgiving is two different things.

God wants to forgive everyone but will only forgive those who repent first.

When the man pleaded to the king to forgive his debt, the king did so. But when the man refused to forgive another his debt and had him thrown into a prison the king had him thrown into prison.

What is the point of forgiving the unrepentant?

You are mixing apples and oranges. I said 'we must first have forgiveness in our heart' not 'we must want to forgive'.
Sure God forgives those who repent, but the difference is, God can read our hearts and motives, we can't read the heart of others.
...and God will deal with those with pretentious motives just as the king did in your example.

 

[CoreIssue]

The only reason why we deem "sinless perfection" to be a false message, is because we find that we do not have it ourselves; and surely something that we do not have personally cannot be a reality in anyone's life?

Because the Bible says we all sin even after salvation.

 

[CoreIssue]

You are mixing apples and oranges. I said 'we must first have forgiveness in our heart' not 'we must want to forgive'.
Sure God forgives those who repent, but the difference is, God can read our hearts and motives, we can't read the heart of others.
...and God will deal with those with pretentious motives just as the king did in your example.

I don't see the difference between having forgiveness of our heart and wanting to forgive. Just my opinion.

Our inability to know the hearts of others makes it all so much more complicated.

 

[Episkopos]

A false message meaning the bible? Why don't people realize that their understanding is way off when someone posts a bible verse and people think he is in error?

 

[Episkopos]

If Jesus' work on the cross does not save us then we are certainly lost and can not be saved.

If the gospel of grace does not save us from the condemnation of our sins then there is no hope of salvation.

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. Being under grace gives us the power OVER sin...otherwise we are still under the law.

Our hope is walking in the resurrection power of Christ to walk AS HE DID on earth...which is by grace through faith.

 

[CoreIssue]

A false message meaning the bible? Why don't people realize that their understanding is way off when someone posts a bible verse and people think he is in error?

If his interpretation versus wrong he is wrong.

 

[amadeus]

The Old Testament do not offer baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Once a year they had to do was sacrifice to cover the sins of the past year.

Christ covered our sins, past present and future.

Remember the born-again have a new heart mind and their spirits.

Was it or is it a better mind and heart than initially given by God to Adam and Eve?

So if one continues in your life as before they felt they were saved they were not saved.

So then you are saying that there are people who say that they are saved, but really are not? So then should any of us be making a final declaration to others about being saved as if the final decision was both made and known by us?

 

[prism]

I don't see the difference between having forgiveness of our heart and wanting to forgive. Just my opinion.

Our inability to know the hearts of others makes it all so much more complicated.

What I was trying to express, is that we are to be already prepared to forgive them in our hearts even before the person asks for forgiveness, so that when they ask us to forgive them we don't have to 'drum it up', it's already there and we thus forgive them from our heart.

 

[CoreIssue]

Was it or is it a better mind and heart than initially given by God to Adam and Eve?


So then you are saying that there are people who say that they are saved, but really are not? So then should any of us be making a final declaration to others about being saved as if the final decision was both made and known by us?

Adam and Eve are beyond us to wrap our modern-day minds around. They are not representative of us or we of them in totality.
We should all be alert and eyes open to self-deception.

You see a good number on this forum who are not.
Yes, there are people claiming to be saved who knowingly or unknowingly are not.

There are cons who make a living pretending to be Christians.

Just look at those who stand before White Throne for proof. Also the false teachers and Christs warned about.

 

[CoreIssue]

What I was trying to express, is that we are to be already prepared to forgive them in our hearts even before the person asks for forgiveness, so that when they ask us to forgive them we don't have to 'drum it up', it's already there and we thus forgive them from our heart.

I agree with that.