Easter ? What are we celebrating?

[justbyfaith]

You have zero chance of proving Easter was ever in the Bible.

It's in the kjv...and therefore it is in the Bible...because the kjv is the Bible....oh, did I just prove it?

Easter was a Catholic invention. Catholicism didn't exist until 335 ad. | Further, this was the old testament Jewish holy day of Passover.

They did not accept Christ as Messiah and still do not today.

I think that the fact that Easter is in the kjv indicates to me that the disciples celebrated the resurrection of Jesus early on. Because I hold that God in His sovereignty and Omnipotence would not have allowed His word to be corrupted, and therefore Easter is the correct translation.

 

[CoreIssue]

It's in the kjv...and therefore it is in the Bible...because the kjv is the Bible....oh, did I just prove it?



I think that the fact that Easter is in the kjv indicates to me that the disciples celebrated the resurrection of Jesus early on. Because I hold that God in His sovereignty and Omnipotence would not have allowed His word to be corrupted, and therefore Easter is the correct translation.

It is in the KJV therefore it proves the KJV has errors.
KJV versus Modern Translations

 

[justbyfaith]

It is in the KJV therefore it proves the KJV has errors.
KJV versus Modern Translations

The kjv has no errors.

This whole thing started with the Mormons, who say that the Bible is true "only insofar as it is correctly translated".

Clearly a lie from the pit of hell, in the implication that the Bible is not correctly translated and is therefore not to be trusted.

 

[Acolyte]

Good grief - not THIS nonsense again.
EVERY year, it's the same thing . . .

First of all - "Easter" is NOT of "pagan" origin. Only ignorant people who believe that the entire world speaks ENGLISH would make up an asinine argument like this "Ishtar/Easter" nonsense.

NOT all Christians refer to the Feast of the Resurrection "Easter". Byzantine Christians use the Greek term Pascha, a transliteration of the Hebrew word Pesach, or Passover. Pascha is also the name of this feast in Latin, the official language of the Roman Rite. The Romance languages reflect this usage; the Italian word Pasqua, the French Paques and the Spanish Pascua each derive from Pascha, and ultimately from Pesach.

Some philologists (historical linguists) say that Easter comes from the word "east", referring to the rising of the sun, a metaphor for the Resurrection of Christ (see Malachi 4:2).

The Dictionary of Bible and Religion indicates another possible origin:
"Recent studies seem to indicate that Easter may be derived from the Latin phrase hebdomada alba, the old term for Easter week based upon the wearing of white robes by the newly baptized. The octave of Easter, the following week, was known as post albas, the time when the white robes were put away....Easter may thus mean "white" and be named from early Christian baptismal practices."
{"Easter", The Dictionary of Bible and Religion, (Nashville, TN: Abingdon, 1986) 287}

As for Easter eggs being some "pagan fertility" symbol - again, this is based on an abject ignorance of Church history.

In the early centuries of the Church, during Lent - the 40 days prior to Easter Sunday - fasting and abstinence were MUCH more rigorous than today. ALL dairy product and eggs were to be avoided during this period. On Easter, eggs were colored Red, which is the traditional Liturgical color of the Lent and Pentecost.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with fertility goddesses . . .

This is an old thread, you already chastised me. Blessings

 

[CoreIssue]

The kjv has no errors.

This whole thing started with the Mormons, who say that the Bible is true "only insofar as it is correctly translated".

Clearly a lie from the pit of hell, in the implication that the Bible is not correctly translated and is therefore not to be trusted.

KJV versus Modern Translations

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is an old thread, you already chastised me. Blessings

My apologies . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Easter was a Catholic invention. Catholicism didn't exist until 335 ad. | Further, this was the old testament Jewish holy day of Passover.

They did not accept Christ as Messiah and still do not today.
You have zero chance of proving Easter was ever in the Bible.

I've been challenging you to provide proof for this idiotic claim since you came here several months ago seeking posters for your failing forum.

I OPENLY CHALLENGE you to provide documented evidence for your historically-bankrupt claim that the Catholic Church started in "335 AD".

Ummmm, while you're at it - why don't you address the following Ear;ly Church Fathers who seemed to be under the impression that it existed centuries BEFORE your bogus date . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the CATHOLIC CHURCH (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

The Martyrdom of Polycarp
When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole CATHOLIC CHURCH throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath (The Martyrdom of Polycarp 8 [A.D. 150]).

Irenaeus
The CATHOLIC CHURCH possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said (Against Heresies 1:10 [A.D. 189]).

Tertullian
Where was Marcion then, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus then, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago – in the reign of Antoninus for the most part – and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus, until on account of their ever restless curiosity, with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled (On the Prescription Against Heretics 22,30 [A.D.200])

Cyprian
The spouse of Christ cannot be defiled; she is uncorrupted and chaste. She knows one home . . . Does anyone believe that this unity which comes from divine strength, which is closely connected with the divine sacraments, can be broken asunder in the Church and be separated by the divisions of colliding wills? He who does not hold this unity, does not hold the law of God, does not hold the faith of the Father and the Son, does not hold life and salvation (On the Unity of the CATHOLIC CHURCH 6 [A.D. 251]).

 

[CoreIssue]

I've been challenging you to provide proof for this idiotic claim since you came here several months ago seeking posters for your failing forum.

I OPENLY CHALLENGE you to provide documented evidence for your historically-bankrupt claim that the Catholic Church started in "335 AD".

Ummmm, while you're at it - why don't you address the following Ear;ly Church Fathers who seemed to be under the impression that it existed centuries BEFORE your bogus date . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the CATHOLIC CHURCH (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

The Martyrdom of Polycarp
When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole CATHOLIC CHURCH throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath (The Martyrdom of Polycarp 8 [A.D. 150]).

Irenaeus
The CATHOLIC CHURCH possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said (Against Heresies 1:10 [A.D. 189]).

Tertullian
Where was Marcion then, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus then, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago – in the reign of Antoninus for the most part – and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus, until on account of their ever restless curiosity, with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled (On the Prescription Against Heretics 22,30 [A.D.200])

Cyprian
The spouse of Christ cannot be defiled; she is uncorrupted and chaste. She knows one home . . . Does anyone believe that this unity which comes from divine strength, which is closely connected with the divine sacraments, can be broken asunder in the Church and be separated by the divisions of colliding wills? He who does not hold this unity, does not hold the law of God, does not hold the faith of the Father and the Son, does not hold life and salvation (On the Unity of the CATHOLIC CHURCH 6 [A.D. 251]).

I have been posting one of the forms for over 15 years.

So far this month I have had 1568Visitors. Last month 3156.

So just keep thinking your Catholic propaganda is productive. Even when shrinking the US.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I have been posting one of the forms for over 15 years.
So far this month I have had 1568Visitors. Last month 3156.
So just keep thinking your Catholic propaganda is productive. Even when shrinking the US.

Sooooooo, are you going to answer the challenge - or will you simply run and hide like you've been doing??

 

[CoreIssue]

Sooooooo, are you going to answer the challenge - or will you simply run and hide like you've been doing??

Easter didn't exist. Easter is not Passover. Judaism does not celebrate Easter even today.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Easter didn't exist. Easter is not Passover. Judaism does not celebrate Easter even today.

Sooooooo, you're NOT going to answer my challenge to YOU that you PROVE your statement that:
"Catholicism didn't exist until 335 ad."

Are you at least going to finally admit that you simply made this up??

 

[CoreIssue]

Sooooooo, you're NOT going to answer my challenge to YOU that you PROVE your statement that:
"Catholicism didn't exist until 335 ad."

Are you at least going to finally admit that you simply made this up??

That would be a lie on my part.

 

[BreadOfLife]

That would be a lie on my part.

Then man-up and provide some actual historical evidence for your claim.

For a guy who refuses to explain himself - it's no that difficult to believe that you were once an elected official . . .

 

[CoreIssue]

Then man-up and provide some actual historical evidence for your claim.

For a guy who refuses to explain himself - it's no that difficult to believe that you were once an elected official . . .

When Did Roman Catholicism Begin?

 

[BreadOfLife]

When Did Roman Catholicism Begin?

No - I'm not watching any videos.
I asked YOU to explain since YOU are the one who made the idiotic claim.

I ALSO asked you to address the testimonies of the Early Church Fathers who wrote about the Catholic Church centuries PRIOR your fictitious date of 335 AD.

STILL waiting for your reply . . .

 

[CoreIssue]

No - I'm not watching any videos.
I asked YOU to explain since YOU are the one who made the idiotic claim.

I ALSO asked you to address the testimonies of the Early Church Fathers who wrote about the Catholic Church centuries PRIOR your fictitious date of 335 AD.

STILL waiting for your reply . . .

Isn't a video.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Isn't a video.

Once again - you're DODGING the issue.

Give me a summary - and keep your links.
THEN - address the Early Church Fathers I presented:

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the CATHOLIC CHURCH (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

The Martyrdom of Polycarp
When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole CATHOLIC CHURCH throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath (The Martyrdom of Polycarp 8 [A.D. 150]).

Irenaeus
The CATHOLIC CHURCH possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said (Against Heresies 1:10 [A.D. 189]).

Tertullian
Where was Marcion then, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus then, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago – in the reign of Antoninus for the most part – and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus (pope), until on account of their ever restless curiosity, with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled (On the Prescription Against Heretics 22,30 [A.D.200])

Cyprian
The spouse of Christ cannot be defiled; she is uncorrupted and chaste. She knows one home . . . Does anyone believe that this unity which comes from divine strength, which is closely connected with the divine sacraments, can be broken asunder in the Church and be separated by the divisions of colliding wills? He who does not hold this unity, does not hold the law of God, does not hold the faith of the Father and the Son, does not hold life and salvation (On the Unity of the CATHOLIC CHURCH 6 [A.D. 251]).

 

[Helen]

Easter?

I just praise the Lord, just like I do when I see a rainbow..and remember.

 

[CoreIssue]

Once again - you're DODGING the issue.

Give me a summary - and keep your links.
THEN - address the Early Church Fathers I presented:

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the CATHOLIC CHURCH (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

The Martyrdom of Polycarp
When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole CATHOLIC CHURCH throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath (The Martyrdom of Polycarp 8 [A.D. 150]).

Irenaeus
The CATHOLIC CHURCH possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said (Against Heresies 1:10 [A.D. 189]).

Tertullian
Where was Marcion then, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus then, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago – in the reign of Antoninus for the most part – and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus (pope), until on account of their ever restless curiosity, with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled (On the Prescription Against Heretics 22,30 [A.D.200])

Cyprian
The spouse of Christ cannot be defiled; she is uncorrupted and chaste. She knows one home . . . Does anyone believe that this unity which comes from divine strength, which is closely connected with the divine sacraments, can be broken asunder in the Church and be separated by the divisions of colliding wills? He who does not hold this unity, does not hold the law of God, does not hold the faith of the Father and the Son, does not hold life and salvation (On the Unity of the CATHOLIC CHURCH 6 [A.D. 251]).

Too lazy to click the link.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Too lazy to click the link.

No - YOU'RE too lazy to address the challenge.
Suffice it to say - you have LOST this argument and I have once again exposed your fraudulence.

Consider yourself Scripturally and historically SPANKED . . .