Calvinism is a Cult

[Enoch111]

What about babies?

Babies and young children can neither comprehend the Gospel nor respond to it. Therefore God has made full and gracious provision for them to be in the Kingdom of God (until the time when they must obey the Gospel).

But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer [allow] little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. (Lk 18:16)

 

[Vince]

Babies and young children can neither comprehend the Gospel nor respond to it. Therefore God has made full and gracious provision for them to be in the Kingdom of God (until the time when they must obey the Gospel).

But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer [allow] little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. (Lk 18:16)

So there is more than one way to be saved. When do little children stop becoming little children?

 

[CoreIssue]

TRUE!!!
Psalms 58:3 reads: “The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.”

Need I say more???

To God Be The Glory

Now deal with the biblical teachings on innocence and accountability.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Then we do need to do something to be saved. Receive it. It must be an act or our will because all are not saved.

When someone gives you a gift, did you do anything to get it? If a messenger comes to the door and holds out the gift to you from his employer, and you slam the door in his face, what you did was refuse it. And THAT is an act of your will.

So babies go to hell to pay for their sins.

No, I think you are deliberately obfuscating here. You know that I already said that all babies who die, go to heaven, based on the shed Blood of Christ.

So there is a special salvation for babies then. There is more than one way to be saved that has nothing to do with the cross.

It has everything to do with the Cross and the Blood of Jesus.

Then why don't you come over and kill my children?

Do I really need to say this? BECAUSE I am not a murderer! Those heathen monsters who sacrificed their children to Molech WERE murderers and deserved to die. The Israelites had no jails to put them in--the only remedy was to kill the murderers.

I never called you horrible or any other names why do you call me names?

That is a lie--I never called you "horrible". I merely observed that many of the heathen from the past were horrible (what do YOU call people who sacrificed their children to Molech?). If you want to apply that to yourself, that is your choice--not mine.

I am against abortion as well.

Well, good for you.

 

[CoreIssue]

What does this have to do with the topic?

I was just answering the post even though it is off-topic.

 

[CoreIssue]

So there is more than one way to be saved. When do little children stop becoming little children?

That is not salvation, that is innocence.

Those that cannot comprehend sin are not accountable for their sins.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

That is true.

They also taught infant purgatory.

Yes, perhaps that is where the RCC got their idea of Limbo?

 

[CoreIssue]

Yes, perhaps that is where the RCC got their idea of Limbo?

Is a confusing topic.

When I was young the Catholics fully acknowledged limbo in purgatory. Now they deny limbo.

As with all cults what they believe and declare is fluid.

 

[Jun2u]

When you can show me a baby, straight from the womb, who is capable of speech, and "spitting venom like snakes," I'll go with your interpretation. This is obvious hyperbole and poetic expression. I believe that David was probably pointing out that those raised in a wicked culture often are influenced to develop that wickedness early on because they are surrounded by wicked people.

How’s this: if you get stung by a baby rattlesnake, is it’s poisonous venom less lethal than that of an adult rattlesnake? Certainly not.

Or,

Here’s an individual and at some point in his adult life, God saved him. Had he died as a baby would he still go to heaven to be with the Lord? Most certainly. His death does not impact his salvation.

On the other side of the coin, here’s an unsaved adult and he too died as a baby, will he also go to be with the Lord? Of course not. “The wages of sin is death.”

Hyperbole, do you say?

To God Be The Glory

 

[Mike Dwight]

I have brought the true Calvinism for us to learn from ,listen and you will hear. I mean general, I mean reverend, because Presbyterians are hidden supermen in all roles. Every profession a song in its heart. Then he leans on his desk and absorbs the Entire Bible in one go, and knows the answer. The "Bonnieness" of Scotland guides the true states to Confederate by the sisterhood of Calvinist women. Her son is only just a boy and she gets her way and the Yankee's mean with women. John Wayne knows Calvinism.

 

[CoreIssue]

How’s this: if you get stung by a baby rattlesnake, is it’s poisonous venom less lethal than that of an adult rattlesnake? Certainly not.

Or,

Here’s an individual and at some point in his adult life, God saved him. Had he died as a baby would he still go to heaven to be with the Lord? Most certainly. His death does not impact his salvation.

On the other side of the coin, here’s an unsaved adult and he too died as a baby, will he also go to be with the Lord? Of course not. “The wages of sin is death.”

Hyperbole, do you say?

To God Be The Glory

Rattlesnakes not use logic, they function by instinct.

Human babies are more instinct than are adults.

Cannot baby feed itself? Can an adult feed themselves?

Does the baby have a clue about God is?

Your logic and excuses fail.

Didn't watch the video did you? Page 100

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

How’s this: if you get stung by a baby rattlesnake, is it’s poisonous venom less lethal than that of an adult rattlesnake? Certainly not.

I thought we were speaking of humans. I might be afraid of a baby rattler but I have never once felt threatened by a baby human. Sorry, but your comparison seems a bit ridiculous.

Or, Here’s an individual and at some point in his adult life, God saved him. Had he died as a baby would he still go to heaven to be with the Lord? Most certainly. His death does not impact his salvation.

On the other side of the coin, here’s an unsaved adult and he too died as a baby, will he also go to be with the Lord? Of course not. “The wages of sin is death.”

But, you see, I don't accept the Calvinist dogma that a baby who dies goes to hell.

Hyperbole, do you say?

Yes. The Psalms are beautiful Hebrew poetry. Poetry often contains hyperbole. Jesus used hyperbole at times: Consider Jesus’ statement in Luke 14:26: “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.” Do you think that Jesus was literally telling His followers to hate their family members? No, He was using exaggeration to make the point that you must love Him so much that your love for others looks like hatred.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Only a depraved mind could come up with that kind of reasoning.

Not a depraved mind, just following your soteriological system to its (il)logical conclusion.

Mother aborts Susan and Susan (automatically) goes to be with the Lord. Mother has just added one more into the presence of the Lord.

Mother keeps Susan. Susan grows up, dies in her sins and goes to hell.

Remember, God is a gentlemen who will NEVER violate the free will of His ppl.

So, Susan being aborted would be the most gracious thing that mother could ever do.

With every abortion, heaven gains one more.

 

[Jun2u]

Now deal with the biblical teachings on innocence and accountability.

There are no such teachings on innocence and accountability found in the Bible!!!

If you truly are sincere and want to believe what the Bible say and teach, then absorb this biblical teaching and not listen to blind leaders leading the blind:

Romans 3:10-18

10) “AS IT IS WRITTEN, There is none righteous, no, not one:”

11) “There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.”

12) “They are all gone out, of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.”

13) “Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:”

14) “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:”

15) “Their feet are swift to shed blood:”

16) “Destruction and misery are in their ways:”

17) “And the way of peace they have not known:”

18) “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

To God Be The Glory

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Not a depraved mind, just following your soteriological system to its (il)logical conclusion.

That is perverse and not at all my "system" as you well know. Just because God decides to show mercy toward those innocent children does not stop the death from being the result of sin, which brought disease into the world (as in the case of that infant dying of disease) or quite wicked in the intentional slaughter of innocent life (as in abortion). You are arguing against the atheists' POV--not mine.

Mother aborts Susan and Susan (automatically) goes to be with the Lord. Mother has just added one more into the presence of the Lord.

Mother keeps Susan. Susan grows up, dies in her sins and goes to hell.

Remember, God is a gentlemen who will NEVER violate the free will of His ppl.

So, Susan being aborted would be the most gracious thing that mother could ever do.

With every abortion, heaven gains one more.

We have already been told that the intentional killing of an innocent human (that is, he or she is not guilty of any crime) is very wicked. It is Susan's mother who is in the wrong (along with the "physician" who would do such a thing). But God, in His great love and mercy, makes provision for those infants to live eternally in heaven.

 

[Mike Dwight]

you are as bad as a tv HBO series plot. ya OK so Heaven needs all its people real quick to search for God who went missing, next on Preacher.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

With every abortion, heaven gains one more.

While true, woe to the person who would do such a thing. But woe to those who martyr Christians as well.

Anyone who would harm an innocent child is in very deep trouble in the hereafter. It reveals a heart that is so incredibly hard.

 

[Jun2u]

[QUOTE="Lady Crosstalk, post: 527887, member: 8109"]I thought we were speaking of humans. I might be afraid of a baby rattler but I have never once felt threatened by a baby human. Sorry, but your comparison seems a bit ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Ridiculous to you because you are NOT spiritual (1 Corinthians 2:14). Romans Chapter 3 is God’s assessment of the human race especially His indictment of babies in verse 13: I'm sure it's difficult for anyone to accept this concept but God is God, who will argue with Him!!

13) “Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:”

I have done the task the Lord Jesus commanded me to do to share the true Gospel. It is time to move on and leave this thread not these forums however, for this Christianity Board is a huge wilderness where the harvest is plentiful.

Jesus is indeed wise as He told the seventy to go to every town and declare the Gospel and if they were not welcome they were to shake the sands off of their sandals and continue on to the next town.

And that is what I will do. I can only lead people to the fountain but I can’t make them to drink.

If I’ve only touched one person here then I would have done the task the Lord have asked me to do.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jun2u]

Anyone who would harm an innocent child is in very deep trouble in the hereafter. It reveals a heart that is so incredibly hard.

It may not have occurred to you but the very god you have created is not the same God of the Bible who told Ancient Israel to kill all those people, men, women, and children who stand between their journey on the way to the promised land.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Ridiculous to you because you are NOT spiritual (1 Corinthians 2:14).

And on what are you basing that judgment? That I don't buy your brand of Calvinism? You have confirmed that Calvinists are among the most arrogant Pharisaical Christians around.

Romans Chapter 3 is God’s assessment of the human race especially His indictment of babies in verse 13.

That section of Romans 3 is about humans who sin--Jews and Gentiles--not babies. Babies know nothing about the "fear of God" which they must eventually learn, they know nothing of the Law, they know nothing about Jesus. They must be taught all of those things.

I have done the task the Lord Jesus commanded me to do to share the true Gospel.

And only you have knowledge of the "true Gospel" to share? Good luck with that, considering your attitude.