On the very near Rapture Day Jesus will Return and Catch up those Looking for Him!

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Soverign Grace

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You know I was told there was a Santa Claus and I believed it. I was also told to trust the Police and I believed it. And I was told that Jesus would "rapture" the church and I believed it. Then I discovered they all lied.

Sometimes it takes "experience" to discover that people lie for different reasons, usually CONTROL. But in the end, both the liars and the gullible suffer, the liar to hell and the gullible being hung out to dry for being gullible.

And to reinforce what "Davy"said:

Rev. 14
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If any one worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also shall drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and he shall be tormented with fire and sulphur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Matt. 24
40 Then two men will be in the field; one is taken and one is left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one is taken and one is left.
28 Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.


-- Please note that the eagles are basically vultures, eat carrion, and there to consume the dead bodies.​

For those who aren't preparing themselves and their households for the Mark of the Beast in ~2 years, -- well, we DO need a "Great Falling Away", so your participation will help fulfill Scripture. -- It wouldn't be MY CHOICE, but we ALL get to choose!



And to add an obvious consideration Rev. 20 says the "dead" are not raised until the Millennial Kingdom has ended. And we "know" that those who are alive and remain shall ascend AFTER the dead are raised.



What?!? No Santa? REALLY?!?
Bobby Jo


PS I pity those poor souls left on earth as the New Jerusalem grabs the last of the dead, and then proceeds on it's course through the universe, leaving those who are live and remain on earth to slowly perish for the earth's resources having been exhausted. Too bad for them. -- If ONLY GOD had used his "rapture" for these people ...

So you too found out that police aren't always the good guys. It's gotten worse. Much worse.

I'm pretty new to studying Revelations although I listened to it many times. You think that the Mark of the Beast is around 2 years away?
 

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Wow, the circus is coming to town, but you didn't say when. And I presume you know ...


I guess all I know is when Scripture depicts the Return of Jesus. Somehow that's not nearly as entertaining as someone who sticks his head up an elephant's butt. -- Personally, I don't think it's quite as impressive at first glance because it's probably a common occurrence with some people, with or without elephants ...


I guess your circus is probably more important than Jesus' return. I understand.
Bobby Jo
Return?
 

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Trump is not perfect, but he most assuredly is not a Catholic.

From what you have posted earlier you're getting your information from conspiracy sites that have no credibility.

No. I came to that conclusion about Trump on my own. I was told that I have the gift of discernment. So I took a test online and it appeared accurate. I noticed that President Trump kept saying one thing and doing another and I also picked up on it that he seemed insincere. His eyes were lying. He got everyone hyped at his rallies shouting "Build the Wall! Build the Wall!" Yet he let one caravan after another into the country. It was all bluff and bluster. He lied, acting like he had no power, the Democrats were stopping him. He had the power. It was then when I began to research him and found that others had reached the same conclusion as I did - that he's a fake. Pastors pointed out that he constantly signals to Satan with his hand gestures.

Then I read about Agenda 21 and how it's to combine Canada, America, and Mexico, and I realized that's just what Trump is doing. We recently went to an area and were shocked at how many foreigners were there. It looks like that's where they're dropping off all the caravans.

I don't make decisions lightly, and I travail over them, but in the end I decided that it's all a big show. It's the Hegelian Dialectic played on the American people once again. Trump is going to show his hand when he can't buffalo people anymore. Right now his lies and excuses are still carrying him, but sooner or later all the die-hards are going to realize they've been played for fools. Believe me - I've received flak for my beliefs - but I can't un-see what I think God has shown me.

I urge everyone to pray for discernment. We're told that wisdom comes from God.
 

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No. I came to that conclusion about Trump on my own. I was told that I have the gift of discernment. So I took a test online and it appeared accurate. I noticed that President Trump kept saying one thing and doing another and I also picked up on it that he seemed insincere. His eyes were lying. He got everyone hyped at his rallies shouting "Build the Wall! Build the Wall!" Yet he let one caravan after another into the country. It was all bluff and bluster. He lied, acting like he had no power, the Democrats were stopping him. He had the power. It was then when I began to research him and found that others had reached the same conclusion as I did - that he's a fake. Pastors pointed out that he constantly signals to Satan with his hand gestures.

Then I read about Agenda 21 and how it's to combine Canada, America, and Mexico, and I realized that's just what Trump is doing. We recently went to an area and were shocked at how many foreigners were there. It looks like that's where they're dropping off all the caravans.

I don't make decisions lightly, and I travail over them, but in the end I decided that it's all a big show. It's the Hegelian Dialectic played on the American people once again. Trump is going to show his hand when he can't buffalo people anymore. Right now his lies and excuses are still carrying him, but sooner or later all the die-hards are going to realize they've been played for fools. Believe me - I've received flak for my beliefs - but I can't un-see what I think God has shown me.

I urge everyone to pray for discernment. We're told that wisdom comes from God.
Wow, really? Trump himself let caravans in? Trump himself can build the wall? And you got this from your gift of discernment?

Annndddd "Satanic hand gestures?"

OK never mind, I get it now.
 
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I urge everyone to pray for discernment. We're told that wisdom comes from God.

Hi SG,
If you had "discernment", you'd realize that the most verbose personal curse in all of Scripture is for Obama.

Maybe the tint in your glasses has affected your "discernment".
Bobby Jo
 

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As Obama once said, I'm not a secret Muslim who admires "God damn America" reverend wright. I'm totally with Obama, I haven't switched off Democrats for 200 years, why not? Andrew Jackson guys. This country is where men express their Pomp and Circumstance under boot and heel for status quo. Hail Columbia you guys. The land, (or lands), rest easy , these gentlemen, will arrive in Valhalla, shiny and chrome.

Obama's church administration in office said our Chickens come home to roost, that's why people come here Presbyterian for the good work in Korea, hospitals and industry overseas, and our chickens come home to roost-ah.
 

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Bobby Jo[/QUOTE]
No. I came to that conclusion about Trump on my own. I was told that I have the gift of discernment. So I took a test online and it appeared accurate. I noticed that President Trump kept saying one thing and doing another and I also picked up on it that he seemed insincere. His eyes were lying. He got everyone hyped at his rallies shouting "Build the Wall! Build the Wall!" Yet he let one caravan after another into the country. It was all bluff and bluster. He lied, acting like he had no power, the Democrats were stopping him. He had the power. It was then when I began to research him and found that others had reached the same conclusion as I did - that he's a fake. Pastors pointed out that he constantly signals to Satan with his hand gestures.

The Supreme Court just found for trump on two issues to block illegals.

Then I read about Agenda 21 and how it's to combine Canada, America, and Mexico, and I realized that's just what Trump is doing. We recently went to an area and were shocked at how many foreigners were there. It looks like that's where they're dropping off all the caravans.

I don't make decisions lightly, and I travail over them, but in the end I decided that it's all a big show. It's the Hegelian Dialectic played on the American people once again. Trump is going to show his hand when he can't buffalo people anymore. Right now his lies and excuses are still carrying him, but sooner or later all the die-hards are going to realize they've been played for fools. Believe me - I've received flak for my beliefs - but I can't un-see what I think God has shown me.

I urge everyone to pray for discernment. We're told that wisdom comes from God.

Trump is not a single caravan in.

The obstructionists liberals are responsible for those who did get in.

The wall is getting built. The Pentagon just kicked in another $13 billion.

That is not the goal of agenda 21. Agenda 21 is worldwide by the UN.

What pastors? Name them.

The only ones I'm aware of that speak are not biblical.
 
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... I haven't switched off Democrats for 200 years ...
It seems to me that at the Garden of Eden, the penalty for sin was death, -- the worse possible outcome, in contrast to Jesus who said:

John 10:10 ...I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

... so I'm confused how the most basic principle of GOD, that being LIFE, is relegated to something less important by the ardent Democrat demand for mothers to be able to kill their children.


Perhaps "christianity" (small "c") allows people to believe what they pick and choose, but if you can't get the simple things right, then the more complex will become more difficult:

Matt. 7:21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’



Bobby Jo
 

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It seems to me that at the Garden of Eden, the penalty for sin was death, -- the worse possible outcome, in contrast to Jesus who said:

John 10:10 ...I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

... so I'm confused how the most basic principle of GOD, that being LIFE, is relegated to something less important by the ardent Democrat demand for mothers to be able to kill their children.


Perhaps "christianity" (small "c") allows people to believe what they pick and choose, but if you can't get the simple things right, then the more complex will become more difficult:

Matt. 7:21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’



Bobby Jo

When cast out of the garden the law of conscience went into effect.

Paul in Romans goes into depth on that issue.

There is no way to spin, to contort or claim that with all the knowledge about fertilization, etc there is any way to arrive at any other conclusion than what the scientists in that area have stated. That being human life begins at conception.

Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception
 

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Wow, really? Trump himself let caravans in? Trump himself can build the wall? And you got this from your gift of discernment?

Annndddd "Satanic hand gestures?"

OK never mind, I get it now.

Why are you acting facetious? I did you no wrong. I can express my beliefs just like you and if you did I wouldn't ridicule you. Your heart is not right within you. I see so many "Christians" violate the law of love - I've seen them in every church I've been in. Pseudo-Christians, carnal Christians who don't follow the basic tenets of the Christian faith.

I don't mind intelligent and respectful discourse but I draw the line when someone acts like a wise-guy to try to make others think he sounds clever. It doesn't - it shows you for what you are: a know-it-all who likes to ridicule and put down others to build yourself up. Tell me - how many marriages have you been through? How many neighbors do you fight with? How many co-workers have you alienated with your tongue? Because people usually have a pattern with how they treat others. It's such a shame that on a Christian forum we have to be on guard when this should be a place where we're built up because the satanic world tears believers down. I hope that you think about this.
 

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Satanic hand gestures? Have you seen aegyo? Heads of state and priests of peace will one day Mime at you two devil spirits going at your face, and when your cheeks are full of the beast of revelation's adultery filthiness one-cup-two-aegyos, then do a hippy peace sign for the spiritual death of the 60's Age of Aquarius, then count off the times you did it and make a squeeky noise. Then go bopeepbopeepbopeepbopeep its not Korean. Soft Poweeeer! Large groups reduces my sin! Double o-OK sign. Call the mafia.
 

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Why does someone need to post OT support when the NT speaks for itself?

Not saying I agree with his statement but I sure don't agree with your statement.

There are some instances indeed where things are set straight forward in the NT text. But when we are dealing with eschatology like this thread, a standard has to be applied.

The Torah requirement is for any matter to be established, it has to have the confirmation of two or more witnesses. The Bereans in Acts 17 affirmed the example and set the standard for us... they searched the scriptures (OT which is all they had) to see if what Paul taught them (teachings with make the NT) was true. And they were commended by the HS for doing so. And I have found that methodology to be a very strong mitigator against wild eyed allegorical nonsense playing fast and loose with scripture interpretation.

I give people a chance, but if they cannot equally support a doctrinal position in the OT that they are pointing to in the NT, then it really doesn't have much standing to me. Solomon said that there is nothing new under the sun. Paul told Timothy that all scripture was profitable for doctrine. The Torah (OT) and the Bereans (NT) are the two witnesses that confirm that two (OT and NT) witnesses are required.

Now, I have no wild aspirations that everyone is going to buy this, but it is the standard I hold to so anyone wanting to convince me of a doctrinal position regarding major issues has to do it using that standard. Even Revelation has 404 verses with almost 800 illusions to the OT. One just has to do their homework. And virtually everything Yeshua said in Matthew 24 and 25 is exposition on various passages of the OT.
 
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Trump is not a single caravan in.

The obstructionists liberals are responsible for those who did get in.

The wall is getting built. The Pentagon just kicked in another $13 billion.

That is not the goal of agenda 21. Agenda 21 is worldwide by the UN.

What pastors? Name them.

The only ones I'm aware of that speak are not biblical.[/QUOTE]

I followed the issue very closely because I was directly affected. My husband took me to the ER and I couldn't be seen, even though in terrible shape because it was packed with immigrants using it for free medical care. Then the hospital was going to let me die if my husband didn't pay the hefty co-pay for a desperately needed surgery, yet scores of immigrants with TB were in that same hospital being treated for free for 3 months in negative pressure rooms - nothing ever expected of them. Then my brother-in-laws friends son was killed by a drunk immigrant: they don't have the strict drunk driving laws that we do in America - there is no MADD. (Please contact your legislators and demand that any immigrants be taught our stiff drunk driving penalties).

I don't have anything against them - my grandparents immigrated to America from Ireland, but I think they should do it legally. They should not be allowed to use the ER for non-emergencies.

Wait until it comes to your area. See if you'll be so forgiving of President Trump then. That was when I knew America had become dangerous. He's no nationalist. He's following the dictates of his Jesuit masters to form the North American Union: America, Canada, and Mexico are going to be one. In fact I read that it was somehow made easier to travel between the three countries: for the North American union.

Trump Signs Amnesty Budget Bill For Millions Of Illegals
Encourages Millions More To Flood Into The US And Is
Caught Bald-Faced Lying About Caravans That He Let In


By Willian Gheen ALIPAC

Trump Signs Amnesty Budget Bill For Millions Of Illegals Encourages Millions More To Flood Into The US And Is Caught Bald-Faced Lying About Caravans That He Let In

Body Language Experts Say Trump Often Flashes “Triangle of Satan” Hand Gesture
The ominous “downward prayer position” is proof that the president uses dark magic and is in league with the devil


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Hell hath no fury like these two guys together in one room. (Credit: BuzzFeed)
Acareful analysis of more than 100 photographs of President Donald Trump sitting with various world leaders, celebrities, and journalists conclusively shows that the American leader often and indiscriminately uses the “Triangle of Satan” hand gesture.


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Mr. Trump’s first chance to flash Lucifer’s hand language from a position of power was in the Oval Office, November 2016. (Credit: UPI/Barcroft Images/Daily Mail)
Four highly-regarded "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); background-repeat: repeat no-repeat;">body language experts, including Dr. Lola Somatis of Duke University and Dr. Frank Caldaver of UCLA, examined the photographs of President Trump taken over a three-year period from June 2014 to May 2017.


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Watch closely. He puts his fingertips together with thumbs touching, forming a perfect triangle. It’s startlingly blatant and so chilling. (Credit: DDP USA/REX/Shutterstock)
The results of their analysis has many political observers, as well as Christian religious scholars, worried and paying closer attention.

“We observed Mr. Trump using the ‘Reverse Steeple’ or ‘Downward Prayer Position’ hand symbol in virtually every photo we analyzed,” said Dr. Somatis. “There is simply no other conclusion we can make other than that he is indicating his allegiance to Satan and signaling a vast global network of fellow devil worshipers, telling them that he is in position and ready to rain hellfire down on earth.”

The Reverse Steeple and Downward Prayer Position are familiar to religious scholars because they take classic Christian symbols — a church steeple and the traditional upward position of the hands during worshipful prayer — and flips them over, placing them in the reverse direction. Downward.


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Clearly sending Satan worshipers the signal while sitting with Prime Minister Theresa May of Britain. (Credit: VOANews.com)
Still others point out that the downward position of the pointed hands forms an arrow, indicating the direction that the fallen angel, the rebellious Lucifer, took during his descent into hell.

Dr. Caldaver agreed with Dr. Somatis’ general assessment, but added, “Some naive observers have said that President Trump, a well-known philanderer and pussy grabber, is merely making the ‘V’ sign, also known as the ‘vagina symbol.’ This is wishful thinking. The truth is much darker and more alarming.”


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Some think the president is using the controversial, but relatively harmless “vagina symbol,” but the conclusion of body language experts is much more frightening. (Credit: NBC NewsWire/2013 NBCUniversal Media, LLC.)
Dr. Caldaver also mentioned the popular theory that President Trump is using one of the important signs of the Illuminati — a pyramid.


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Careful, he can flash the sign with a smile on his face, as he did in Egypt. (Credit: NBC News)
"); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); background-repeat: repeat no-repeat;">The Illuminati is a name given to a secret society, believed to be a confederation of powerful politicians and business leaders, as well as other globally influential people, who essentially control the world order.

But Dr. Caldaver does not agree that Mr. Trump is using an Illuminati gesture.

“I don’t buy it. The pyramid symbol is based on the idea that at the bottom are the masses and the capstone represents an elite ruling class, the top 1%. Yes, the president is forming a triangle or pyramid with his hands, but it is upside down, therefore not a pyramid at all. He is clearly positioning his hands to represent the ‘Triangle of Satan.’”


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The president secretly directs his demon followers to put a hex on all the G20 world leaders last week in Hamburg. (Credit: Mirror.com.uk)
What Drs. Somatis and Caldaver also agree upon, along with other body language experts, is that President Trump has opened the door of the White House to an element that might not have the best interests of the country or the world at heart.

Dr. Somatis had the last word. “We don’t want to raise any unnecessary alarms but, as they often say, a picture is worth a thousand words. And, in this case, we have 100 photos telling us exactly the same thing — that when the President of the United States flashes the ‘Triangle of Satan’ hand signal in every photo opportunity, it should not be ignored.”



Body Language Experts Say Trump Often Flashes “Triangle of Satan” Hand Gesture
 
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I suggest read what Jesus had to say to the seven Churches in Revelation. Jesus had a strong rebuke for many.

Notice it was to churches... corporate entities... not a report card on each individual.

The big problem I see in all this partial rapture stuff is that it exhibits a weak understanding of the difference between justification and sanctification. And that can lead to a similarity with some sort of purgatory idea. Either one is justified by the Blood of Yeshua or they are not. There is no partial justification and one doesn't earn justification by toeing the line. Justification is the free gift for all those who placed their trust in Yeshua from a pure heart. Anything else is a different Gospel and the different Messiah.

The partial rapture doctrine is a scare tactic used to brow beat the brethren. It is cruel abuse of the flock.
 
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Satanic hand gestures? Have you seen aegyo? Heads of state and priests of peace will one day Mime at you two devil spirits going at your face, and when your cheeks are full of the beast of revelation's adultery filthiness one-cup-two-aegyos, then do a hippy peace sign for the spiritual death of the 60's Age of Aquarius, then count off the times you did it and make a squeeky noise. Then go bopeepbopeepbopeepbopeep its not Korean. Soft Poweeeer! Large groups reduces my sin! Double o-OK sign. Call the mafia.

Not sure what you're saying here or if it's meant to be satire.