For many are called but few chosen

[CoreIssue]

Yes @CoreIssue scripture does say that God chooses the poor as you said....


Paul speaks of this as the ‘internal’ calling not the general calling to all people.


Read, about the INTERNAL calling those of the chosen ones or elect. This calling of the chosen is what I eluded to in my OP.

(1Co 1:23) But we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness.
(1Co 1:24) But to them that are called, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.
(1Co 1:25) Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
(1Co 1:26) Consider your calling, brothers; not many of you had worldly wisdom, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth.
(1Co 1:27) But God chose the foolish things of the world, that He might put to shame those that are wise; and God chose the weak things of the world, that He might put to shame the things that are strong.
(1Co 1:28) God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are.

Bless you,

APAK

I didn't say he chooses since I I reject Calvinism. I said most. Ever read that verse about a camel and the eye of a needle Concerning the rich?

 

[Windmillcharge]

@Windmillcharge ...

Well I see I have unsettled you a bit. You have determined already this subject is one you do not wish to discuss. Well that might be a positive and a good thing in the long run. Yes Matthew 22:14 is a very misunderstood verse indeed and should be studied thoroughly. That's why I chose it.

If you are confident about your spirituality and growth in Christ then this thread should be met by you with open arms; and not as I detect in your words of condemnation for me with crossed arms. Something then bothering you? I am just the messenger who wants to share a possibly difficult subject for some.

This is just good old-fashion Bible Study, in this Bible Study Forum. You are welcome to add any constructive thoughts of course. I won't bite your head off. You know I'm learning as you.

Bless you,

APAK

I am interested in how one applies the fact that many are called but few are chosen.
You strongly implied that many who call them selfs Christian are not Christian.
The passage deals with those who are not dressed correctly by expelling them. How are we to deal with incorrectly dressed Christians, or as you implied, how are we to correctly judge ourselve, assuming that is possible.

 

[Willie T]

I am interested in how one applies the fact that many are called but few are chosen.
You strongly implied that many who call them selfs Christian are not Christian.
The passage deals with those who are not dressed correctly by expelling them. How are we to deal with incorrectly dressed Christians, or as you implied, how are we to correctly judge ourselve, assuming that is possible.

I doubt that passage deals with us judging other Christians. If you will notice, it was the Master of the banquet, "the king", who did the judging, not his underlings. And, God also said to let the tares continue to grow with the wheat. We are not given permission to judge who gets to grow, and who doesn't.

 

[Windmillcharge]

I doubt that passage deals with us judging other Christians. If you will notice, it was the Master of the banquet, "the king", who did the judging, not his underlings. And, God also said to let the tares continue to grow with the wheat. We are not given permission to judge who gets to grow, and who doesn't.

Yes in the passage it is the king, but who is applying the passage to Christians?

Mixing parables is like mixing drinks, gets one in trouble.

Again the farmer permitted the tares to grow.

How often is an error blown out of proportion to seem like the unforgiven sin of questioning a leader or there sacred view of scripture.

 

[Willie T]

Yes in the passage it is the king, but who is applying the passage to Christians?

Mixing parables is like mixing drinks, gets one in trouble.

Again the farmer permitted the tares to grow.

How often is an error blown out of proportion to seem like the unforgiven sin of questioning a leader or there sacred view of scripture.

And, who was the Farmer? It was the same One who put on the wedding feast.

 

[Windmillcharge]

And, who was the Farmer? It was the same One who put on the wedding feast.

See in mixing your parables it causes trouble.

Yes the farmer does stand for God, except for when it is being used to justify thining out the trouble makers from the congragation.

 

[Willie T]

See in mixing your parables it causes trouble.

Yes the farmer does stand for God, except for when it is being used to justify thining out the trouble makers from the congragation.

(You are beginning to sound like one of *MikeDwight's* posts. LOL)

 

[CoreIssue]

Yes @CoreIssue scripture does say that God chooses the poor as you said....


Paul speaks of this as the ‘internal’ calling not the general calling to all people.


Read, about the INTERNAL calling those of the chosen ones or elect. This calling of the chosen is what I eluded to in my OP.

(1Co 1:23) But we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness.
(1Co 1:24) But to them that are called, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.
(1Co 1:25) Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
(1Co 1:26) Consider your calling, brothers; not many of you had worldly wisdom, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth.
(1Co 1:27) But God chose the foolish things of the world, that He might put to shame those that are wise; and God chose the weak things of the world, that He might put to shame the things that are strong.
(1Co 1:28) God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are.

Bless you,

APAK

Very Calvinist argument.

 

[Mike Dwight]

(You are beginning to sound like one of *MikeDwight's* posts. LOL)

I earned an admirer. Firstly, didn't he Use the metaphors because simple people do not understand. And as some say, more than that so that they would NOT understand? That where were SECRETS perhaps? So its like mixing two things already made to be over-simple.

 

[CoreIssue]

You all Need to pay attention.

Christ said this, therefore the church did not exist yet.

This was written to Israel while The Mosaic covenant was still in effect.

 

[Willie T]

I love this attempt at "separation" of the parables as just unrelated stories. Christ spoke most of those parables about one thing — His Kingdom.

 

[APAK]

Very Calvinist argument.

I do not know a lot of Calvinism and I guess you are inferring I'm some club member. You are premature and mistaken in your understanding of me. You may know more on the subject. It really does not make a diff to me in the least.
I follow scripture as the Spirit guides me.

So in continuance of the OP of Matt 22:14 and what Paul says in 1 Corinthians, he also added more in Romans. All three areas of scripture harmonize which a a very good thing, that thrills my soul to no end.

Paul says about the internal calling to choose his elect:
(Rom 8:30) " And whom He foreordained, those He also called, and whom He called, these He also justified, and who He justified, these He also glorified. "

Bless you,

APAK

 

[CoreIssue]

I love this attempt at "separation" of the parables as just unrelated stories. Christ spoke most of those parables about one thing — His Kingdom.

I agree. But spoken to Israel and he said he came only to Israel, not Gentiles.

Those trying to turn it into church verses are simply wrong.

The church can value and learn from them just as it does from the Old Testament, which had no relationship to church in any way.

 

[APAK]

I am interested in how one applies the fact that many are called but few are chosen.
You strongly implied that many who call them selfs Christian are not Christian.
The passage deals with those who are not dressed correctly by expelling them. How are we to deal with incorrectly dressed Christians, or as you implied, how are we to correctly judge ourselve, assuming that is possible.

My implication statement is correct as you say and @Willie T answered your query in his Post #23..thanks..APAK

 

[Mike Dwight]

Interesting APAK, I wish you would frame a single argument better... Are we just reviewing your read-along with the parable? Isn't it about being Ready actually? Aren't many things? Somebody just drags you in off the street actually and they weren't ready.

 

[CoreIssue]

I do not know a lot of Calvinism and I guess you are inferring I'm some club member. You are premature and mistaken in your understanding of me. You may know more on the subject. It really does not make a diff to me in the least.
I follow scripture as the Spirit guides me.

So in continuance of the OP of Matt 22:14 and what Paul says in 1 Corinthians, he also added more in Romans. All three areas of scripture harmonize which a a very good thing, that thrills my soul to no end.

Paul says about the internal calling to choose his elect:
(Rom 8:30) " And whom He foreordained, those He also called, and whom He called, these He also justified, and who He justified, these He also glorified. "

Bless you,

APAK

I never said you were Calvinist. But what you're saying definitely incorporates some of their beliefs.

They do harmonize, but the audience written to has to be understood to truly understand the message.

As for the Romans 8 you cropped the passage.

28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, whoi]">[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k]">[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

You started off with predestined when it starts with her new foreknew. Exactly what Calvinists do.

God predestined those he foreknew would love him all the way to glorification and no one can take from his hand.

 

[Willie T]

As has been said earlier, Jesus spoke every one of His parables long before there was any organized church to judge others in and to kick them out of. He was speaking, instead, of how things will be in His kingdom.

Just for information, here is a list to check out. (Although few lists will be the same.) Each one opens a PDF document for you.

• Parables Introduction Definitions, parable, fable, analogy, count of parables
  
• List of Parables in Order Brief descriptions and scripture references for all 46 parables.
  
• Parables #1-2-3-4 New cloth, New wine. Lamp on a stand. Wise & foolish builders.
  
• Parables #5-6 Moneylender forgives unequal debts. Lamp on a stand (2nd time).
  
• Parables #7-8 Rich man builds bigger barns. Servants must remain watchful.
  
• Parables #9-10 Wise and foolish servants. Unfruitful fig tree.
  
• Parable #11 Sower of seeds into four types of soil.
  
• Parable #12 Weeds among good plants. “Kingdom of Heaven”.
  
• Parables #13-15 Growing seed. Mustard seed. Yeast. “Kingdom of Heaven”.
  
• Parables #16-19 Hidden treasure. Pearl. Fishing net. Owner of a house. “Kingdom of Heaven”.
  
• Parables #20-21 Lost sheep. The sheep, gate, and shepherd.
  
• Parables #22-23 Master and his servant. Unmerciful servant.
  
• Parables #24-25 Good Samaritan. Friend in need.
  
• Parables #26-27 Lowest seat at the feast. Invitation to a great banquet.
  
• Parable #28 Cost of discipleship.
  
• Parables #29-30 Lost sheep (sheep as sinners). Lost copin.
  
• Parable #31 Lost (prodigal) son.
  
• Parable #32 Shrewd manager.
  
• Parable #33 Rich man and Lazarus.
  
• Parable #34 Workers in the vineyard, early and late.
  
• Parables #35-36 Persistent widow and crooked judge. Praying: Pharisee and tax collector.
  
• Parable #37 King's servants given minas.
  
• Parables #38-39 Two sons, one obeys, one does not. Wicked tenants.
  
• Parable #40 Invitation to a wedding banquet.
  
• Parables #41-42 Signs from a fig tree. Wise and foolish servants.
  
• Parables #43-44 Wise and foolish virgins. Servants must remain watchful.
  
• Parable #45 Three servants given talents.
  
• Parable #46 Sheep and goats will be separated.

 

[APAK]

Interesting APAK, I wish you would frame a single argument better... Are we just reviewing your read-along with the parable? Isn't it about being Ready actually? Aren't many things? Somebody just drags you in off the street actually and they weren't ready.

Yes, I know what you mean. My frame begin simple and become complex in a hurry. I have a habit of adding too much at one time and then there are too many 'holes' I need to fill in the process to attempt to convey a complete picture. It can lose people and my arguments in the process. I see scripture puzzle pieces on the table and want to join them all at my speed and not at audience speed.

Being spiritually ready is a subject not to be taken lightly. Not just mere words...And what do you think it entails?

Bless you,

APAK

 

[CoreIssue]

Yes, I know what you mean. My frame begin simple and become complex in a hurry. I have a habit of adding too much at one time and then there are too many 'holes' I need to fill in the process to attempt to convey a complete picture. It can lose people and my arguments in the process. I see scripture puzzle pieces on the table and want to join them all at my speed and not at audience speed.

Being spiritually ready is a subject not to be taken lightly. Not just mere words...And what do you think it entails?

Bless you,

APAK

The problem was not too much too fast. But a lot of inaccuracy.

 

[APAK]

The problem was not too much too fast. But a lot of inaccuracy.

To be fair, that depends on what type of truth and expectations you are used to believing in and suited for your comfortable zone. All that I've spoken of/ written is per scripture, nothing more and nothing added. What I believe you have a problem with is how I slice and view scripture in a fashion that makes you uncomfortable....it is unknown territory for you and you do not want to go there or are reluctant to tread..and then you call it inaccurate etc.

I think that is an issue you have to resolve, not I.

Bless you,

APAK