Parable Of The Unmerciful Servant

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CoreIssue

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God extends his grace to everyone. By definition it is unearned, undeserved and unwarranted.

Everybody has a freewill right accepted or reject it.

If a person refuses to listen to the Holy Spirit anymore that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. So no listening means no forgiveness.

But as Romans 8 and James 2 state OSAS.
 

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Exactly. That price may include mental, spiritual, and physical anguish and torment.

I agree with Enoch here. Because at first him and his family were to be sold, and the king forgave him. But then he was given over to the tormentors for not forgiving. This is why I believe the symbolism is this internal anguish of unforgiveness. And if this is not the symbolism for those in O.T., surely under grace this would be the interpretation. Because unforgiveness is a sin like any other.
 

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My contention, however, is that there are certain actions that we can take which God considers serious enough as to cancel out that grace, or as I described in the OP, rescind it.

Grace that is cancelled? Rescinded? Is that really grace?

Much love!
Mark
 
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Greetings all. My beliefs on this parable may bother some, if not many, but I only seek to interpret and teach the word for what it says.

Specifically, I believe this parable teaches that those who do not walk in forgiveness will have their forgiveness from God rescinded. This interpretation seems patently obvious to me, based on the internal context.

But if you disagree, what is your interpretation of the meaning behind the unmerciful servant being given over to the tormentors for not forgiving his fellow servant? One argument I've found so far is that "if we do not forgive others, we are not forgiven," which I believe is intended to protect the Once saved, Always saved position by teaching that anyone who is truly saved will always forgive. But I'm not sure that bears out in real life. I think a Christian still has the ability to be unforgiving if they want to, and many are. Others profess that Jesus did not mean "tormentors" literally, or that this parable does not apply to Christians. But I don't think those interpretations hold water either.

Please share how you interpret this parable, and what you believe the words "servant" and "tormentors" are referring to in this parable.

I will post it in full below, and please don't let this thread become a contentious debate. I'd like to discuss this with some spiritual maturely if at all possible.

Thanks in advance for all replies.
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21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. 23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. 28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. 29 And his fellow servant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. 31 So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. 32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellow servant, even as I had pity on thee? 34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. (Matthew 18:21-35)
Hello @Hidden In Him,

You have had a lot of responses already, but I hope you will be happy to receive one more. ;)

The parable of, 'The Unforgiving Servant' (Matthew 18:23-25), is not intended to teach that sins once forgiven may be re-imputed, or that a sinner once saved by grace can fall away again. To teach so, is to teach in direct opposition to the doctrine of the epistles. Let us remember the Scriptural settings of these parables, the reasons which drew them from the Lord Jesus, the dispensation in which they were uttered, and the people and kingdom about which they speak; we shall then have no need to be ashamed of our testimony.

* The following booklet in PDF format may be of interest to you, 'The Unforgiven Servant', is to be found following page 51, which introduces the parables of Matthew 16-22. I will leave it with you, but if you should like me to talk it over with you following your own reading of it, I will be glad to. http://www.bibleunderstanding.com/Parable Miracle and Sign.PDF

* If you would prefer not to read the portion of the booklet regarding this subject, but would like to talk with me about this anyway, please tell me. :)

Within the love of Christ our Saviour, our Lord and Head.
Chris
 
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Grace that is cancelled? Rescinded? Is that really grace?

Much love!
Mark


That's not how grace works. You are confusing grace with law. Do you think God rescinds law in favour of grace? Not a chance.

Grace doesn't need to be rescinded for it to be dissipated. Do we own grace? Do we own God's Spirit and presence.

When we act foolishly, are we still being wise? When we boast are we still being humble?

Can pure clean garments become soiled?
 

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You are confusing grace with law.

I don't believe that I am.

Law is what dictates that some may be righteous and then unrighteous as they keep and break Law.

Grace is what removes us from that merry-go-round.

You have a capricious God who gives and withholds grace and mercy to and from his people accorcing to the mood of the day.

I have a God Who has made us His children, and never will treat us otherwise again.

"Dissipated grace"? What does that mean? How does grace "dissipate"? And where can I read about that in Scripture?

Much love!
Mark
 

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When we act foolishly, are we still being wise? When we boast are we still being humble?

I'll leave for you to answer these questions. They seem frivolous to me. "Is pride humble?" Hm.

How secure are you in God's love?

Much love!
Mark
 

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I don't believe that I am.

Law is what dictates that some may be righteous and then unrighteous as they keep and break Law.

Grace is what removes us from that merry-go-round.

So you are saying that a person can flip between being righteous and unrighteous all day? THAT is not biblical. Is a proud person humble in between his outbursts of pride?

God's laws don't change. So you have it backwards.

Grace is the power that fulfills the law. As we abide in Christ...under the shadow of the wings of God... we are no longer under the law, but under grace. Like an umbrella in a storm.
 

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You have a capricious God who gives and withholds grace and mercy to and from his people accorcing to the mood of the day.

I have a God Who has made us His children, and never will treat us otherwise again.

"Dissapated grace"? What does that mean? How does grace "dissapate"? And where can I read about that in Scripture?

God gives grace to people who deserve nothing of the kind. But you have a spoiled attitude of thinking you have that priviledge of owning God's favour.

God is FREE to do as He wants. He can withhold a new pouring of grace until we stop being so self-centered and spoiled about it...for example. And this is for our training and good.

We can frustrate grace, fall from grace...or be led away by various desires in this world back into bondage. We can grieve the Spirit, we can quench the Spirit.

The soul that sins, it shall die....now has THAT law been rescinded?
 

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So you are saying that a person can flip between being righteous and unrighteous all day? THAT is not biblical. Is a proud person humble in between his outbursts of pride?

God's laws don't change. So you have it backwards.

Grace is the power that fulfills the law. As we abide in Christ...under the shadow of the wings of God... we are no longer under the law, but under grace. Like an umbrella in a storm.

Law has been fulfilled, past tense. You are saying it's being fulfilled in the present tense process.
 

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So you are saying that a person can flip between being righteous and unrighteous all day? THAT is not biblical. Is a proud person humble in between his outbursts of pride?

I'm talking about that's how Law works.

Ezekiel 18:24 gives an example of this:

“But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die."

But a recipient of God's grace has received Jesus' righteousness apart from works, and therefore is not affected by works.

The idea that someone who is righteous in Christ becomes unrighteous from their flesh is not Biblical.

Much love!
mark
 

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Of course not! Own God? What silliness!

Just the same, He has united us to Himself. What does that mean?

Much love!
Mark

That means we can abide under His wing. He can shelter us in His presence and power. But we can get up any time and walk what we think is a safe distance away...until we like sheep go astray. Are you saying that sheep never stray?
 

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God gives grace to people who deserve nothing of the kind. But you have a spoiled attitude of thinking you have that priviledge of owning God's favour.

Perjoratives instead of rebuttal.
 

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That means we can abide under His wing. He can shelter us in His presence and power. But we can get up any time and walk what we think is a safe distance away...until we like sheep go astray. Are you saying that sheep never stray?

According to Jesus, we are one with God in the same way that Jesus is one with the Father. Does that mean Jesus can just get up and walk away from the Father?

Or is there more to it than that?

Much love!
mark
 

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God gives grace to people who deserve nothing of the kind. But you have a spoiled attitude of thinking you have that priviledge of owning God's favour.

God is FREE to do as He wants. He can withhold a new pouring of grace until we stop being so self-centered and spoiled about it...for example. And this is for our training and good.

We can frustrate grace, fall from grace...or be led away by various desires in this world back into bondage. We can grieve the Spirit, we can quench the Spirit.

The soul that sins, it shall die....now has THAT law been rescinded?


OSAS. You are turning grace in salvation into a yo-yo.

Our sins will forgiven on the cross, past present and future.

You seem to forget all our sins of today future to the cross. All of them.

You are mixing versus directed at the unsaved with those directed at the site.

More Gnosticism.
 

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Law has been fulfilled, past tense. You are saying it's being fulfilled in the present tense process.

@Episkopos

I think episkopos' version of grace turns us into lawkeepers hoping we can keep at it. And if we don't . . . fallen from grace.

I'll leave it to him to correct me if I'm wrong about his understanding.

Much love!
mark