Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

[tzcho2]

That's your escape pod. It is all future and will never come to pass. But if scripture does not directly support you predictions, you are a false prophet and soothsayer just the same.

Dave L making continual accusations & libelous threats against the body -- like a self-appointed modern pharisee--- or a Troll.

 

[Dave L]

Making accusations & libelous threats like a self-appointed modern pharisee--- or a Troll.

You have no direct scripture quotes for what you teach = the bible does not teach what you teach = false prophet.

 

[tzcho2]

You have no direct scripture quotes for what you teach = the bible does not teach what you teach = false prophet.

Dig that hole Dave... You're divisive and an accuser of the brethren.

 

[Waiting on him]

Projection or what?? Too far from you to just say you don't see it the same way? How is it you have to be insulting but act like YOU are the one that's superior???

I hope you didn’t feel left out, you also speak death fluently.

 

[Dave L]

Dig that hole Dave... You're divisive and an accuser of the brethren.

If you have scripture, you unify the church. Without it you draw off those with itchy ears for false prophecy.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Gee whiz! Another insult--is that all you Calvinists can think of to do when confronted with logic?

I'm getting closer and closer to putting you on "ignore" but I

When people make themselves the focal point of scripture(typically narsacists) that is when the deceit comes into place. Christ should always be center.

Forget how wonderfully special you are and how Jesus wants to carry you away on a cloud for just one second if possible,,,,
Now who makes desolate?

Yet another insult? You really should learn how to spell if you are trying to look intelligent with your jabs. ("narcacist"--really?) Was Christ in the center of your pseudo-Freudianism?

 

[Waiting on him]

Ne

Yet another insult? You really should learn how to spell if you are trying to look intelligent with your jabs. ("narcacist"--really?) Was Christ in the center of your pseudo-Freudianism?

Never claimed to be intelligent, only trying to show there’s others yet to be born into the kingdom of God. For that I’ll endure whatever tribulation. For me to claim to be intelligent would be as if I’m saying I had received something of myself

 

[Waiting on him]

Ne

Yet another insult? You really should learn how to spell if you are trying to look intelligent with your jabs. ("narcacist"--really?) Was Christ in the center of your pseudo-Freudianism?

Never claimed to be intelligent, only trying to show there’s others yet to be born into the kingdom of God. For that I’ll endure whatever tribulation. For me to claim to be intelligent would be as if I’m saying I had received something of myself?

 

[Waiting on him]

Speak life!

 

[Davy]

I'm fairly certain we've been over this before. I can't say whether I agree with you or not, in regards to the different usages of corruptible/incorruptible and mortal/immortality, but in the final outcome, it doesn't actually change my view. I already believe that when the believers are given this 'new' being...both those dead and alive, that the unjust will be 'raised' and judged as well, at the same time. So in that regard, I also believe that 1 Cor 15 is supported/supporting the idea that everyone will experience a 'form' of resurrection...either to eternal life or eternal damnation.

John 5:28-29 reveals both resurrection types happen on the same day of Jesus' coming. Yet Paul in 1 Cor.15 didn't openly reveal this resurrection of the damned, though that John 5 Scripture by our Lord Jesus does. But per Acts 24, Paul was hopeful there would also be a resurrection of the unjust.

Revelation 3:9 reveals the "resurrection of damnation" (i.e., the "synagogue of Satan") coming to worship Christ at the feet of His elect Church. That is enough proof of the Rev.20 "thousand years" millennial reign by Jesus with His elect, on earth. So as Rev.20 shows, the millennium time begins immediately after Christ's return and lasts for a 1,000 years. Then God's GWT Judgment happens, as written there in that order in Rev.20.

Those believing man's amillennialism have to spiritualize the Rev.20 events, instead of understanding them in the simplicity in which they are written. Spiritualizing it into man's philosophy is the only... way they can make it seem... to fit, but it still won't, because it destroys too much of Bible prophecy written in other places, like that Rev.3:9 verse.

 

[Davy]

Most of Revelation has been fulfilled since the first advent. The reason you and other Dispensationalists missed it is because you look for the symbols to appear instead of what they represent. Try asking yourself what any of the symbols represent and then see if you can find it in history, or in the present or in things yet to happen.

You're preaching a doctrine of man called Preterism. I was raised in a Church that was on that doctrine of Preterism. Because of such a belief, they didn't teach Bible prophecy leading up to Christ's return, what Apostle Paul called "the times and the seasons" in 1 Thessalonians 5.

Nor am I a Dispensationalist, which is another fallacy of the Preterist theories of men you hold to. Just because I do not... believe most of Christ's Book of Revelation has been fulfilled yet, Preterists tend to label those as Futurists, which they label as being on Darby's Pre-trib Rapture theory of the 1830's, which he also developed Dispensationalist theory.

In reality, I stick to God's Word regardless... of man's seminary playground of pet theories.

Jesus comes and gathers His Church after... the great tribulation He taught, which means I am post-trib. His thousand years reign of Rev.20 begins at His coming, which makes me pre-mill. That is what God's Word reveals as written. But it is not... what Preterism nor Futurism teaches, because those are men's doctrines designed by devils meant to mislead and deceive as many Christian brethren that will not listen to God in His Word instead about the "times and the seasons" of Christ's coming.

 

[Dave L]

I'm Amillennial, not preterist. Most of the church has always been Amillennial. Jesus is Amillennial. All physical kingdom theories are false.

 

[Davy]

A few questions here “Was Jesus speaking to Jews only with the above Message in Rev.3:9 to the Church of Philadelphia? No, He spoke that for His elect Church of both Israelite and Gentile!”

Why will the true Jew want or desire the false Jew to worship at His feet. The cover(vail) you showed removed covering the people has to happen before Rev 3:9.

There is a lot in Joseph telling his brothers they would all bow to him. Genesis 50:15-20 And when Joseph's brethren saw that their father was dead, they said, Joseph will peradventure hate us, and will certainly requite us all the evil which we did unto him. [16] And they sent a messenger unto Joseph, saying, Thy father did command before he died, saying, [17] So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him. [18] And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants. [19] And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God? [20] But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

“...will certainly requite us all the evil which we did unto him.” ...and Joseph wept.

Joseph's eleven brethren did bow to him, in Egypt when Joseph disguised himself.

Those of the "synagogue of Satan" in Rev.3:9, the one's our Lord Jesus called false Jews that lie, are not born of Israel at all.

Those represent the tares in the parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13. They represent the "crept in unawares" of Jude 1. Those of the Church of Philadelphia do represent Christ's elect of His Church (of both believing Israelite and believing Gentile; both together will make up the Zadok (the Just) of Ezek.44).

It seems you might be confused by Darby's Dispensationalism which wrongly teaches the nation of Israel will be re-established on earth after Jesus' coming with His Church ruling from Heaven. No, Jesus gathers His Church at His coming on His way to Jerusalem on earth to reign over all nations. That is how those of the Church of Philadelphia will have the false Jews come and worship Christ at their feet, it's because the Church will reign on the earth as shown in Rev.20:9 with the "camp of the saints".

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Joseph's eleven brethren did bow to him, in Egypt when Joseph disguised himself.

Those of the "synagogue of Satan" in Rev.3:9, the one's our Lord Jesus called false Jews that lie, are not born of Israel at all.

Those represent the tares in the parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13. They represent the "crept in unawares" of Jude 1. Those of the Church of Philadelphia do represent Christ's elect of His Church (of both believing Israelite and believing Gentile; both together will make up the Zadok (the Just) of Ezek.44).

It seems you might be confused by Darby's Dispensationalism which wrongly teaches the nation of Israel will be re-established on earth after Jesus' coming with His Church ruling from Heaven. No, Jesus gathers His Church at His coming on His way to Jerusalem on earth to reign over all nations. That is how those of the Church of Philadelphia will have the false Jews come and worship Christ at their feet, it's because the Church will reign on the earth as shown in Rev.20:9 with the "camp of the saints".

There are those who say they are Jews and are not. A Jew is one inwardly, yeah?

Don’t know or have ever read “Darby's Dispensationalism” so cant tell you if I’m confused by it. Maybe handed down by man I am, believed a lot of things handed down by man.

 

[Davy]

Not in Your mind. Jehovahs witness ? correct?

I stated what is actually written in God's Word. And I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, which is silly to even try... and label me as such, since they created their 'own' bible outside The Word of God which God True Word He gave to His children who love Him. Those who follow men instead of God have their head so far in the sand, they can't even tell when they're following a cult. Such are the JW's.

 

[Enoch111]

I'm just telling you what they say!

E. W. Bullinger, D.D.:
"All that we have learned from our youth up must be tested and proved by the Word of God. Where we find it is true we must learn it over again, from God. And where it will not stand the test of His Word we must be not only content, but thankful to give it up; and receive Divine revelation in the place of man's imagination."

Gerhard,

Are you aware that Bullinger was an Ultra-Dispensationalist (Hyper-Dispensationist) who made a hash of Bible interpretation. It is called "Bullingerism". Here are some of his bizarre ideas:
1. The Gospels are only for the Jews and those teachings of Christ are not for Christians!
2. The Church did not begin at Pentecost
3. Water baptism is not for Christians
4. The Lord's Supper is not for Christians
5. The Great Commission is not for Christians but for the Millennium
6. The Church began after Acts 28
7. The epistle of James is not for Christians
8. That the soul ceases to exist between death and resurrection
9. That the earth is flat

H. A. Ironside, a true Dispensationalist, wrote a book -- Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth -- to oppose Bullingerism.

 

[Davy]

There are those who say they are Jews and are not. A Jew is one inwardly, yeah?

Don’t know or have ever read “Darby's Dispensationalism” so cant tell you if I’m confused by it. Maybe handed down by man I am, believed a lot of things handed down by man.

The Jew inwardly idea is just Apostle Paul speaking metaphorically. And the actual Greek word in the manuscripts is about a 'Judean'.

Christ's Message in Rev.3:9 is about 'false' Jews, those who say they are Jews, but are not, and are the "synagogue of Satan". Don't you understand what Satan's church means? It means Satan's servants, his elect, and he has an elect just as our Lord Jesus does. Satan's elect serve him, knowingly. You want to see what one was like? Here...

Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia

 

[tzcho2]

I hope you didn’t feel left out, you also speak death fluently.

Insulting others (while) Waiting on him. Suit yourself.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

That's not a very good argument. I never said the Bible labeled the tribulation period anymore then a lot of the terms we use are found in the Bible while still being fully biblical.

But, it IS labeled in Revelation 7:14, CoreIssue.

 

[Waiting on him]

Insulting others (while) Waiting on him. Suit yourself.

You guys are really thin, I can see why you fabricate a view where your taken out of tribulation. Christ will give you endurance.