Easter

[BreadOfLife]

Hi BoL,
Your set of fact don't include all of them. You can claim my opinion to be ignorant, but that doesn't make it so. And yes, it's my opinion that the claims that Easter has nothing to do with pagan springtime celebrations are completely absurd, and it's difficult for me to imagine how someone would not be able to see that. The least research shows this. You don't have to get into a big "Babylon" thing, just look at the rites around the world.

So we have different views.

Well, I had actually started to answer this, but then deleted it, but if you wish, I will. You cannot prove a negative, and claiming you can would be another absurdity.

To say that no one has had a problem with the use of the word "Easter" except in the past 100 years requires proving a negative. So this then is an unsupportable assertion, and therefore is a logical fallacy.

You know, sometimes I wonder, for all the times I point out logical fallacies to people, does anyone really care? I mean, do people care when their arguments aren't valid? Or is it just forget about it and move on?

Much love!
mark

Like I said before - your comment above in RED says it ALL.
Your uninformed opinion is what leads your actions.

I rely more on evidence. The history of Christianity and its practices are evidence-based - not opinion-based. Somebody told you their opinions about Easter and paganism, so you bought into it instead of doing your homework.

Hey - don't believe ME. Do some research on Alexander Hislop - and then read about what his former fan Ralph Woodrow found out about him and his historical "facts". BUT - don't just accept the myths without doing some homework.

Look what you USED to believe about "Roman" Catholic before you heard all the facts . . .

 

[marks]

Like I said before - your comment above in RED says it ALL.
Your uninformed opinion is what leads your actions.

I rely more on evidence. The history of Christianity and its practices are evidence-based - not opinion-based. Somebody told you their opinions about Easter and paganism, so you bought into it instead of doing your homework.

Hey - don't believe ME. Do some research on Alexander Hislop - and then read about what his former fan Ralph Woodrow found out about him and his historical "facts". BUT - don't just accept the myths without doing some homework.

Look what you USED to believe about "Roman" Catholic before you heard all the facts . . .

My friend, you are the one focused on Hislop. Not me.

And we both are looking at evidence. I'm simply being the one to state things as 'my opinions'. Because let's face the real fact, that's all you or I have on this matter.

The history is written by the winner. Funny how so many "early church writers" (called the "fathers", something Jesus explicitly forbid) wrote things that agree so much with the "Catholic Church", but disagree so much with the New Testament.

I simply can't imagine that these were all there were.

And I'm really wondering how you would imagine to peer through that curtain in history known as the Dark Ages. History has been editted, over and over, by the winners. And the history of Christianity available before the reformation, well, we all know what that is. Opinions aside. History is controlled by those in control. And even from those centuries, the history simply does not exist.

But I'm not legalistic, not in the least, and certainly celebrate what you wish as Easter. I do. My church calls it that, most people call it that, because the church told them to. The church also told people to pay cash for their sins. The church has told people many things at many times.

OK. I've said enough.

Much love!
Mark

 

[BreadOfLife]

My friend, you are the one focused on Hislop. Not me.

And we both are looking at evidence. I'm simply being the one to state things as 'my opinions'. Because let's face the real fact, that's all you or I have on this matter.

The history is written by the winner. Funny how so many "early church writers" (called the "fathers", something Jesus explicitly forbid) wrote things that agree so much with the "Catholic Church", but disagree so much with the New Testament.

I simply can't imagine that these were all there were.

And I'm really wondering how you would imagine to peer through that curtain in history known as the Dark Ages. History has been editted, over and over, by the winners. And the history of Christianity available before the reformation, well, we all know what that is. Opinions aside. History is controlled by those in control. And even from those centuries, the history simply does not exist.

But I'm not legalistic, not in the least, and certainly celebrate what you wish as Easter. I do. My church calls it that, most people call it that, because the church told them to. The church also told people to pay cash for their sins. The church has told people many things at many times.

OK. I've said enough.

Much love!
Mark

First of all - Jesus didn't "forbid" calling anybody "Father".
He condemned the Pharisees for considering themselves Fathers and Teachers ABOVE our Father and Teacher in Heaven.
- God commands us to "Honor your FATHER and mother (Exod. 20:12)."
- Jesus said, “Your FATHER Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).
- St. Stephen refers to "our FATHER Abraham," (Acts 7:2).
- St. Paul speaks of "our FATHER Isaac” (Romans 9:10).
- For I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
- "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a TEACHER of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7).
- "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and TEACHER" (2 Tim. 1:11).
- "God has appointed in the church first Apostles, second prophets, third TEACHERS" (1 Cor. 12:28).

Secondly - they don't "disagree" with the New Testament.
Your Protestant Fathers simply disagreed with their interpretations.

Finally - I don't know where you get the idea that history has been "wiped away" by the Catholic Church. You act as if the Catholic Church was the ONLY entity on earth. there were MANY other cultures and peoples that weren't even Christian. Your view is a rather ignorant and simplistic one.

Finally - as to your idiotic remark about the Church telling people they had to "pay cash for their sins" - this is historically-bankrupt. This has NEVER been a position of the Catholic Church and , in fact was simply an ABUSE by some within the Church like the German priest, Johann Tetzel.

As I have advised you several times now - DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
You will spend less time embarrassing yourself by trying to pass off these moronic opinions of yours as "facts" . . .

 

[marks]

First of all - Jesus didn't "forbid" calling anybody "Father".
He condemned the Pharisees for considering themselves Fathers and Teachers ABOVE our Father and Teacher in Heaven.
- God commands us to "Honor your FATHER and mother (Exod. 20:12)."
- Jesus said, “Your FATHER Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).
- St. Stephen refers to "our FATHER Abraham," (Acts 7:2).
- St. Paul speaks of "our FATHER Isaac” (Romans 9:10).
- For I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
- "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a TEACHER of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7).
- "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and TEACHER" (2 Tim. 1:11).
- "God has appointed in the church first Apostles, second prophets, third TEACHERS" (1 Cor. 12:28).

Secondly - they don't "disagree" with the New Testament.
Your Protestant Fathers simply disagreed with their interpretations.

Finally - I don't know where you get the idea that history has been "wiped away" by the Catholic Church. You act as if the Catholic Church was the ONLY entity on earth. there were MANY other cultures and peoples that weren't even Christian. Your view is a rather ignorant and simplistic one.

Finally - as to your idiotic remark about the Church telling people they had to "pay cash for their sins" - this is historically-bankrupt. This has NEVER been a position of the Catholic Church and , in fact was simply an ABUSE by some within the Church like the German priest, Johann Tetzel.

As I have advised you several times now - DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
You will spend less time embarrassing yourself by trying to pass off these moronic opinions of yours as "facts" . . .

I knew that would draw you out.

Let's see . . .

Embarrassing myself - But I'm not embarrassed, you say this because you want others to see me that way. Your bad.
Moronic - Useless perjorative - your bad.
Idiotic - See above - same as above
And what you said was idiotic - I have to Confess, I intentially did not say the Catholic church so-called did this. Even those as you admit ones within the church did. So it is not idiotic, again, just perjorative, as you wish to demean me rather than engage me.

This is what bullies do. Did you realize that?

The Catholic Church and history? Seriously? No . . . I don't act like the Catholic Church is the only entity on earth, that would be a Red Herring, or Straw Man, take your pick, either is a Logical Fallacy. The Catholic Church does not need to be the "only enitity on earth" to have a controlling influence over recorded history, it only need have substantial power in the regions in which history is recorded regarding the matters of which we speak. Do you deny that the Catholic Church has had a substantial influence in those places in those times?

And the so-called church fathers . . . no need to start the catalog. Why even bother going down that road?

But lets take that one . . .

Matthew 23:5-12
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Call no man your "patera" father upon this earth. I'd say in context Jesus didn't mean don't call your Dad "Dad". I think He meant like "the Church Fathers", as if these were our spiritual fathers. Only God is our Father. Not another.

And yes, Jesus forbid calling a man Father.

Lambaste me more if you wish. Add your little bow on top so your gentleness can be seen of all men.

Much love!
Mark

 

[FHII]

"Easter" was NEVER a problem until the likes of Alexander Hislop and his ilk. There was NO controversy with this term until the last 100 years or so.

Bede

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Only to the ignorant.
I have destroyed this myth on several threads, so why not this one as well . . .

"Easter" is NOT of "pagan" origin. Only ignorant people who believe that the entire world speaks ENGLISH would make up an asinine argument like this "Ishtar/Easter" nonsense.

NOT all Christians refer to the Feast of the Resurrection "Easter". Byzantine Christians use the Greek term Pascha, a transliteration of the Hebrew word Pesach, or Passover. Pascha is also the name of this feast in Latin, the official language of the Roman Rite. The Romance languages reflect this usage; the Italian word Pasqua, the French Paques and the Spanish Pascua each derive from Pascha, and ultimately from Pesach.

Some philologists (historical linguists) say that Easter comes from the word "east", referring to the rising of the sun, a metaphor for the Resurrection of Christ (see Malachi 4:2).

The Dictionary of Bible and Religion indicates another possible origin:
"Recent studies seem to indicate that Easter may be derived from the Latin phrase hebdomada alba, the old term for Easter week based upon the wearing of white robes by the newly baptized. The octave of Easter, the following week, was known as post albas, the time when the white robes were put away....Easter may thus mean "white" and be named from early Christian baptismal practices."
{"Easter", The Dictionary of Bible and Religion, (Nashville, TN: Abingdon, 1986) 287}

As for Easter eggs being some "pagan fertility" symbol - again, this is based on an abject ignorance of Church history.

In the early centuries of the Church, during Lent - the 40 days prior to Easter Sunday - fasting and abstinence were MUCH more rigorous than today. ALL dairy product and eggs were to be avoided during this period. On Easter, eggs were colored RED, which is the traditional Liturgical color of the Lent and Pentecost.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with fertility goddesses . . .

Yes, well if you believe rabbits have never been a symbol of fertility, now that's ignorant. Like I said before Easter eggs and bunny rabbits have nothing to do with my lord Jesus Christ. The information that you got from a so called Bible dictionary I don't agree with. There's too many other experts that say differently what you say. Now I know you will believe your experts and that's your right, but I'm not going to stop understanding that Easter comes from pagan origins just because you believe as you do, I'll say again Easter eggs and bunny rabbits have nothing to do with my Lord Jesus Christ

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Christ's Church is ONE and is supposed to be ONE in everything - including what it celebrates.

that's the problem though isn't it? Where in the Bible does it tell us to celebrate Easter cause I haven't found it. I have found in the scriptures that during the Passover Jesus gave his Apostles wine to drink saying it was his blood and gave them bread to eat telling them this is my body and telling them to do this in remembrance of him. The scriptures also say that as often they do this they are remembering the Lords death. you see I choose not to worship imperfect men who say you should celebrate Easter when there is nothing in the scriptures that say you should.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I knew that would draw you out.

Let's see . . .

Embarrassing myself - But I'm not embarrassed, you say this because you want others to see me that way. Your bad.
Moronic - Useless perjorative - your bad.
Idiotic - See above - same as above
And what you said was idiotic - I have to Confess, I intentially did not say the Catholic church so-called did this. Even those as you admit ones within the church did. So it is not idiotic, again, just perjorative, as you wish to demean me rather than engage me.

This is what bullies do. Did you realize that?

The Catholic Church and history? Seriously? No . . . I don't act like the Catholic Church is the only entity on earth, that would be a Red Herring, or Straw Man, take your pick, either is a Logical Fallacy. The Catholic Church does not need to be the "only enitity on earth" to have a controlling influence over recorded history, it only need have substantial power in the regions in which history is recorded regarding the matters of which we speak. Do you deny that the Catholic Church has had a substantial influence in those places in those times?

And the so-called church fathers . . . no need to start the catalog. Why even bother going down that road?

But lets take that one . . .

Matthew 23:5-12
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Call no man your "patera" father upon this earth. I'd say in context Jesus didn't mean don't call your Dad "Dad". I think He meant like "the Church Fathers", as if these were our spiritual fathers. Only God is our Father. Not another.

And yes, Jesus forbid calling a man Father.

Lambaste me more if you wish. Add your little bow on top so your gentleness can be seen of all men.

Much love!
Mark

In post #183 - I obliterated your ridiculous argument about Jesus "forbidding" any man to be called "Father".

As I pointed out to you . . .
- Paul called HIMSELF a spiritual "FATHER" to the Corinthians.
- BOTH Jesus and Stephen referred to "FATHER" Abraham.
- Paul refers to our "FATHER" Isaac.

I reminded you that Jesus was chiding the Pharisees for placing themselves ABOVE our Father in Heaven - and THAT is what He was forbidding. I have given you PLENTY of Scriptural evidence and all YOU have presented is your opinion. You have LOST this point . . .

As for your asinine view that the Catholic Church was "so powerful" that it completely "re-wrote" history - this just proves that you DON'T know your history. The Catholic Church, along with EVERY other entity is shown "warts and all" in the annals of history.

As to my being a "bully" - this is something I am often accused of on these forums when I expose lies.
People like YOU who regurgitate these anti-Catholic myths and lies HATE to be exposed. When somebody like me comes along and shows just how ignorant you are - all of a sudden, I'M a "bully".
Hypocrisy in its purest form . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

that's the problem though isn't it? Where in the Bible does it tell us to celebrate Easter cause I haven't found it. I have found in the scriptures that during the Passover Jesus gave his Apostles wine to drink saying it was his blood and gave them bread to eat telling them this is my body and telling them to do this in remembrance of him. The scriptures also say that as often they do this they are remembering the Lords death. you see I choose not to worship imperfect men who say you should celebrate Easter when there is nothing in the scriptures that say you should.

This is a ridiculous response.
Where does the Bible tell us to celebrate the birth of a child??
Where does the Bible tell us to celebrate when we graduate from college??
Where does the Bible tell us to celebrate our wedding anniversary??

By the way - the NT Church DID celebrate the Resurrection by calling Sunday, "The LORD'S Day" - and that is when they met.

Soooooooo, you ONLY do what the Bible tells you to do?
Did the Bible tell you to join an online forum??
Did the Bible tell you to go to college??
Did the Bible tell you what to say in your last job interview??

Better yet - WHERE does the Bible say that we are ONLY to do what we are told to do by the BIBLE??
The REAL question is: Why WOULDN'T you celebrate the Resurrection of Christ?? Or His coming into the world??

The Bible NEVER says that you are to obey the Bible.
However - the Bible DOES say that you are to obey Christ's CHURCH (Matt. 18:15-18) because His CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15, the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23) and is led to ALL TRUTH by the Holy Spirit (John 16:12-15).

Sounds like YOU'RE a bit confused . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, well if you believe rabbits have never been a symbol of fertility, now that's ignorant. Like I said before Easter eggs and bunny rabbits have nothing to do with my lord Jesus Christ. The information that you got from a so called Bible dictionary I don't agree with. There's too many other experts that say differently what you say. Now I know you will believe your experts and that's your right, but I'm not going to stop understanding that Easter comes from pagan origins just because you believe as you do, I'll say again Easter eggs and bunny rabbits have nothing to do with my Lord Jesus Christ

First of all - I wasn't referring to the Easter Bunny. I was referring to the word "Easter".
HOWEVER - the tradition of Easter eggs does NOT come from paganism - but from Christianity.

During Lent in the ancient Church, the people would give up more than meat on Fridays. They abstained from ALL dairy - milk, cheese, etc. They also abstained from eggs. This is why there is still a tradition of serving pancakes on Shrove Tuesday, the night before Ash Wednesday. On Easter, they would color eggs RED, which is the Liturgical color of the Holy Spirit. You still see this practice among Eastern Orthodox Churches.

As for your determination to believe what you've heard instead of doing your homework - you remind me of those "anti-vaccer" mothers who refuse to vaccinate their children based on the idiotic information they got from Playboy model Jenny McCarthy . . .

 

[marks]

In post #183 - I obliterated your ridiculous argument about Jesus "forbidding" any man to be called "Father".

As I pointed out to you . . .
- Paul called HIMSELF a spiritual "FATHER" to the Corinthians.
- BOTH Jesus and Stephen referred to "FATHER" Abraham.
- Paul refers to our "FATHER" Isaac.

I reminded you that Jesus was chiding the Pharisees for placing themselves ABOVE our Father in Heaven - and THAT is what He was forbidding. I have given you PLENTY of Scriptural evidence and all YOU have presented is your opinion. You have LOST this point . . .

As for your asinine view that the Catholic Church was "so powerful" that it completely "re-wrote" history - this just proves that you DON'T know your history. The Catholic Church, along with EVERY other entity is shown "warts and all" in the annals of history.

As to my being a "bully" - this is something I am often accused of on these forums when I expose lies.
People like YOU who regurgitate these anti-Catholic myths and lies HATE to be exposed. When somebody like me comes along and shows just how ignorant you are - all of a sudden, I'M a "bully".
Hypocrisy in its purest form . . .

I think everything speaks for itself in this.

Much love!
Mark

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

This is a ridiculous response.
Where does the Bible tell us to celebrate the birth of a child??
Where does the Bible tell us to celebrate when we graduate from college??
Where does the Bible tell us to celebrate our wedding anniversary??

By the way - the NT Church DID celebrate the Resurrection by calling Sunday, "The LORD'S Day" - and that is when they met.

Soooooooo, you ONLY do what the Bible tells you to do?
Did the Bible tell you to join an online forum??
Did the Bible tell you to go to college??
Did the Bible tell you what to say in your last job interview??

Better yet - WHERE does the Bible say that we are ONLY to do what we are told to do by the BIBLE??
The REAL question is: Why WOULDN'T you celebrate the Resurrection of Christ?? Or His coming into the world??

The Bible NEVER says that you are to obey the Bible.
However - the Bible DOES say that you are to obey Christ's CHURCH (Matt. 18:15-18) because His CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15, the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23) and is led to ALL TRUTH by the Holy Spirit (John 16:12-15).

Sounds like YOU'RE a bit confused . . .

The FACT that you say this is ridiculous shows you don't care what the scriptures has to say on this. When it comes to how Jesus wants us to celebrate/remember him and the way humans wants us to celebrate/remember him, I'll go by the scriptures say how and when to celebrate/remember him. How imperfect humans say how and when I'm to celebrate/remember Jesus isn't more important than scriptures say to celebrate/remember him. I don't expect you to understand, it's obvious what the scriptures say are not important to you, so be it.

 

[CoreIssue]

The FACT that you say this is ridiculous shows you don't care what the scriptures has to say on this. When it comes to how Jesus wants us to celebrate/remember him and the way humans wants us to celebrate/remember him, I'll go by the scriptures say how and when to celebrate/remember him. How imperfect humans say how and when I'm to celebrate/remember Jesus isn't more important than scriptures say to celebrate/remember him. I don't expect you to understand, it's obvious what the scriptures say are not important to you, so be it.

The Lord's table is a remembrance of his resurrection.

The Catholic Eucharist does not equal the Lord's table. They do not have the breaking of bread, his body, or drinking from the cup of wine, his blood.

Other than that we are to remember his birth, death and burial and resurrection every day. But not as a celebration.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The FACT that you say this is ridiculous shows you don't care what the scriptures has to say on this. When it comes to how Jesus wants us to celebrate/remember him and the way humans wants us to celebrate/remember him, I'll go by the scriptures say how and when to celebrate/remember him. How imperfect humans say how and when I'm to celebrate/remember Jesus isn't more important than scriptures say to celebrate/remember him. I don't expect you to understand, it's obvious what the scriptures say are not important to you, so be it.

I noticed that you couldn't even answer ONE of my questions - not ONE.
This illustrates perfectly the complete hypocrisy of the Protestant heresy of Sola Scriptura. You SAY that you only adhere to what Scripture teaches - but you really don't hold to that.

I showed you that the NT Church did, in fact celebrate the Resurrection (Rev. 1:10) - yet YOU refuse to do so.
WHY is that??
WHY would a Christian refuse to celebrate the very reason for our faith??

Psalm 118 tells us that EVERY day is the day that the LORD has made so let "us be glad and rejoice".
How much MORE should a follower of Christ be celebrating His victory for us over death??

If you need the Bible to tell you when yo be happy about that - then you DON'T know Christ . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I think everything speaks for itself in this.

Much love!
Mark

Thank you.
The truth is quite painful sometimes . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Lord's table is a remembrance of his resurrection.
The Catholic Eucharist does not equal the Lord's table. They do not have the breaking of bread, his body, or drinking from the cup of wine, his blood.
Other than that we are to remember his birth, death and burial and resurrection every day. But not as a celebration.

I catch you in SO MANY lies it's difficult to count them all. This is yet another case where you've stuck your foot in your mouth - so, once again, I'm here to expose you . . .

WHO told you that Catholics don't celebrate the Lord's Supper with the breaking of the Bread and drinking of the Cup?? From WHERE do you get this manure?

If you bothered to study your history - it was the Catholic Church who taught the WORLD about this. For 1500 years before your Protestant Fathers were even born - the Catholic Church has been celebrating the Eucharist in the Mass.

I eagerly await your reply - but I won't hold my breath.
You're well-known on this forum for your cowardly evasions . . .

 

[CoreIssue]

I catch you in SO MANY lies it's difficult to count them all. This is yet another case where you've stuck your foot in your mouth - so, once again, I'm here to expose you . . .

WHO told you that Catholics don't celebrate the Lord's Supper with the breaking of the Bread and drinking of the Cup?? From WHERE do you get this manure?

If you bothered to study your history - it was the Catholic Church who taught the WORLD about this. For 1500 years before your Protestant Fathers were even born - the Catholic Church has been celebrating the Eucharist in the Mass.

I eagerly await your reply - but I won't hold my breath.
You're well-known on this forum for your cowardly evasions . . .

Fact remains you use wafers, not sweet bread that you break to represent his body.

Only the priest drinks wine.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Fact remains you use wafers, not sweet bread that you break to represent his body.

Only the priest drinks wine.

First of all - the cup is available to the ENTIRE congregation.

Secondly - unleavened bread is unleavened bread. WHO told you that it had to be "sweet" bread?? Jesus instituted the Eucharist at the PASSOVER, where they ate unleavened bread - not donuts . . .

This is why I always warn you to do your homework before you open your mouth . . .

 

[FHII]

So let me address this whole " Markan Time Line" thingy. Why so late? Two reasons: 1. Cause I am in control of what I post and when I post it; 2. I had company over for the last 5 days.

Day one is noted as Sunday. Mark 10:32. That is wrong. Mark 10:1 starts off with Jesus and his crew on the east bank of the Jordan River. They then go to Jerhicho. This coincides with Luke 18:35 - 19:1 and Matthew 20:17. Some models that follow all the gospels put this verse as early as Thursday evening.

Let us also not forget that we are dealing with Hebrew time. The day starts at sunset.

The real first day began what we call Saturday at sunset. This starts at Mark 11:1, Matthew 21:1 and Luke 19:29.

The second day is Sunday evening to Monday evening. This coincides with Mark 11:12 and Matthew 21:18.

The accurate model notes that Tuesday at sunset is when Jesus went to the Garden to pray. Later that morning he was arrested and what we call Wednesday morning at dawn is when " the cock crowed" for Peter.

The problem with this rendition of the Markan timeline is that it stretches things out way too much at this point. It thinks that "two days before" and " on the first day of unleavened bread" are question to begin a new day. That simply is not correct.

When you stick with just the Mark timeline you miss many crucial details. You miss that there was a high Sabbath (that started Wednesday at Sunset), you miss that the women bought spices after the Sabbath but prepared them before the Sabbath (proving that there were 2 Sabbath's on non-consecutive days), you miss when soldiers were guarding the tomb and when they weren't guarding the tomb and you miss that by one account that Jesus was already risen by sunset on Saturday.

I have been looking at a model of the timeline from the Companion Bible. It's a bit at odds with what I previously believe, but it reconciles by Tuesday morning... Tuesday evening at worst.

But when you take all things into consideration, a Wednesday crucifixion and Saturday ressurection works out perfectly without idioms and every minute detail included.

So... Dont expect me to support this timeline when you didn't even get day one right.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

First of all - I wasn't referring to the Easter Bunny. I was referring to the word "Easter".
HOWEVER - the tradition of Easter eggs does NOT come from paganism - but from Christianity.

During Lent in the ancient Church, the people would give up more than meat on Fridays. They abstained from ALL dairy - milk, cheese, etc. They also abstained from eggs. This is why there is still a tradition of serving pancakes on Shrove Tuesday, the night before Ash Wednesday. On Easter, they would color eggs RED, which is the Liturgical color of the Holy Spirit. You still see this practice among Eastern Orthodox Churches.

As for your determination to believe what you've heard instead of doing your homework - you remind me of those "anti-vaccer" mothers who refuse to vaccinate their children based on the idiotic information they got from Playboy model Jenny McCarthy . . .

I'm not talking about any of this when I mentioned rabbits. Anybody who has grown up in the United States knows that Easter eggs and bunny rabbits have always been associated with the celebration of Easter. Since Easter is supposedly to be about the resurrection of my Lord Jesus, why are eggs and bunny rabbits associated with this day, when as I said rabbits have always been a symbol of fertility. When our parents took us kids to celebrate Easter they colored eggs in different colors and hid them for us kids to find. Our parents bought chocolate bunny rabbits for their children. How does any of this have to do with the resurrection of my Lord Jesus Christ? This tradition of celebrating Easter came from somewhere. Where did it come from,

I noticed that you couldn't even answer ONE of my questions - not ONE.
This illustrates perfectly the complete hypocrisy of the Protestant heresy of Sola Scriptura. You SAY that you only adhere to what Scripture teaches - but you really don't hold to that.

I showed you that the NT Church did, in fact celebrate the Resurrection (Rev. 1:10) - yet YOU refuse to do so.
WHY is that??
WHY would a Christian refuse to celebrate the very reason for our faith??

Psalm 118 tells us that EVERY day is the day that the LORD has made so let "us be glad and rejoice".
How much MORE should a follower of Christ be celebrating His victory for us over death??

If you need the Bible to tell you when yo be happy about that - then you DON'T know Christ . . .

I noticed you don't care about scripture. Those who are like you want to tell people that they have to go by what imperfect people say and what the scriptures say don't matter. The show us that there's only one day and way to celebrate/remember Jesus and it's about remembering Jesus death, but it seems you could care less about what the scriptures say.
Revelation 1:10 has nothing to do with the church celebrating the resurrection of Jesus. It's about the Apostle John being shown future things to come in signs.