First of all - Jesus didn't "forbid" calling anybody "Father".
He condemned the Pharisees for considering themselves Fathers and Teachers ABOVE our Father and Teacher in Heaven.
- God commands us to "Honor your FATHER and mother (Exod. 20:12)."
- Jesus said, “Your FATHER Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).
- St. Stephen refers to "our FATHER Abraham," (Acts 7:2).
- St. Paul speaks of "our FATHER Isaac” (Romans 9:10).
- For I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
- "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a TEACHER of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7).
- "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and TEACHER" (2 Tim. 1:11).
- "God has appointed in the church first Apostles, second prophets, third TEACHERS" (1 Cor. 12:28).
Secondly - they don't "disagree" with the New Testament.
Your Protestant Fathers simply disagreed with their interpretations.
Finally - I don't know where you get the idea that history has been "wiped away" by the Catholic Church. You act as if the Catholic Church was the ONLY entity on earth. there were MANY other cultures and peoples that weren't even Christian. Your view is a rather ignorant and simplistic one.
Finally - as to your idiotic remark about the Church telling people they had to "pay cash for their sins" - this is historically-bankrupt. This has NEVER been a position of the Catholic Church and , in fact was simply an ABUSE by some within the Church like the German priest, Johann Tetzel.
As I have advised you several times now - DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
You will spend less time embarrassing yourself by trying to pass off these moronic opinions of yours as "facts" . . .
I knew that would draw you out.
Let's see . . .
Embarrassing myself - But I'm not embarrassed, you say this because you want others to see me that way. Your bad.
Moronic - Useless perjorative - your bad.
Idiotic - See above - same as above
And what you said was idiotic - I have to Confess, I intentially did not say the Catholic church so-called did this. Even those as you admit ones within the church did. So it is not idiotic, again, just perjorative, as you wish to demean me rather than engage me.
This is what bullies do. Did you realize that?
The Catholic Church and history? Seriously? No . . . I don't act like the Catholic Church is the only entity on earth, that would be a Red Herring, or Straw Man, take your pick, either is a Logical Fallacy. The Catholic Church does not need to be the "only enitity on earth" to have a controlling influence over recorded history, it only need have substantial power in the regions in which history is recorded regarding the matters of which we speak. Do you deny that the Catholic Church has had a substantial influence in those places in those times?
And the so-called church fathers . . . no need to start the catalog. Why even bother going down that road?
But lets take that one . . .
Matthew 23:5-12
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Call no man your "patera" father upon this earth. I'd say in context Jesus didn't mean don't call your Dad "Dad". I think He meant like "the Church Fathers", as if these were our spiritual fathers. Only God is our Father. Not another.
And yes, Jesus forbid calling a man Father.
Lambaste me more if you wish. Add your little bow on top so your gentleness can be seen of all men.
Much love!
Mark