Righteous is as righteous does.

[Episkopos]

Romans 10:1-3
[1] Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. [2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. [3] For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.




Agree. There is he who exalts himself. Or those that wait upon the Lord. 1 Peter 5:5-8 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. [6] Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: [7] Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. [8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Anyone who declares himself as righteous and saved is in trouble with the tribunal of Christ. Better to say...I am an unprofitable servant. There is actual wisdom in that.

Besides I look back at my life and see God in what I was doing. It wasn't me....it was Him. He gets the glory...not me. He is just.

 

[marks]

Anyone who declares himself as righteous and saved is in trouble with the tribunal of Christ. Better to say...I am an unprofitable servant. There is actual wisdom in that.

Um, these are not mutually exclusive, right?

You can be both saved, and humble. Actually, I find it works better that way.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yes Jesus Christ is always in me. That doesn't change. But I mustn't grieve the Spirit by whom I was sealed until the day of judgment.

Christ in me is the HOPE of glory. Through Christ I have the full potential of the full stature of Christ in me. If I go on the cross, He can then get on the throne of my life. So as I accept His death I am able to walk in His life. That is what it means to abide in Christ.

On what basis does Christ abide in you? Because you do good works? Because you live holy? Is that why?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Christ in me is the HOPE of glory.

Romans 5 defines Biblical hope for us, "Now hope does not disappoint." Biblical hope is a certain expectation.

Christ in you is the certain expectation of glory.

Much love!

 

[Jay Ross]

Yes Jesus Christ is always in me. That doesn't change. But I mustn't grieve the Spirit by whom I was sealed until the day of judgment.

Christ in me is the HOPE of glory. Through Christ I have the full potential of the full stature of Christ in me. If I go on the cross, He can then get on the throne of my life. So as I accept His death I am able to walk in His life. That is what it means to abide in Christ.

You have complained that it is the reading skills of the people that lets them down, but I would suggest that it is the comprehension skills that actually lets them down. We can read the words and know their meanings individually, but to connect the meanings of the words together so that they create a complex thought within the person is another skill that few have.

You have shown in other threads that you actually lack the comprehension skills in understanding God's/Christ's intended messages in what is recorded of what He spoke to those who were listening to him.

Now, Christ told His disciples that He was not interested in calling down fire from heaven to incinerate those who were performing miracles and signs and wonders but who also no not understand the significance of the Kingdom of God and what it means to every one on planet earth. He said to leave them alone.

I for one will leave this thread alone because I can comprehend what it is that you are trying to convey without any real understanding.

Shalom

PS: - May God continue to draw you to himself and into right understanding and actions.

 

[Episkopos]

Romans 5 defines Biblical hope for us, "Now hope does not disappoint." Biblical hope is a certain expectation.

Christ in you is the certain expectation of glory.

Much love!

That is false. Grace take away the certainty of law. Hope is not certainty.

 

[Episkopos]

I for one will leave this thread alone because I can comprehend what it is that you are trying to convey without any real understanding.

I pray that real understanding comes to you one day.

 

[Episkopos]

On what basis does Christ abide in you? Because you do good works? Because you live holy? Is that why?

Much love!

The new creation in Christ at regeneration by the Spirit? Do you know what is meant by being born again?

 

[Episkopos]

Um, these are not mutually exclusive, right?

You can be both saved, and humble. Actually, I find it works better that way.

Much love!

I don't think either word is what you think they are.

 

[marks]

That is false. Grace take away the certainty of law. Hope is not certainty.

Romans 5
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 Peter 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Titus 2
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Hebrews 6
11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

I could go on . . . each of these passages show the assurance of what is hoped for. But again, Romans 5 defines Biblical hope. It will not make us ashamed.

Christ in you is truly the hope of glory. Not just the american wistful, Oh, I hope I'll have His glory, no, more like in Colossians 3,

3 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Those who have died in Christ, risen with Christ, (Romans 6, the born again), will appear with Christ in glory. Not a wistful and uncertain desire, but a reality that has been prophesied, and must come to pass.

This is how we can rest in Christ.

Much love!
Mark

 

[marks]

I don't think either word is what you think they are.

What do I think they are?

 

[friend of]

...lol

 

[marks]

The new creation in Christ at regeneration by the Spirit? Do you know what is meant by being born again?

Could you check your grammar? Or maybe the problem is me. I don't understand your answer. It sounds like you are saying that Christ is in you because you've been regenerated by the Spirit. Is that right?

 

[marks]

Do you know what is meant by being born again?

Not to neglect this . . . Yes. Do you?

Much love!
mark

 

[Episkopos]

Not to neglect this . . . Yes. Do you?

Much love!
mark

I walked in Zion in the Spirit near 40 years ago now for the first time. I was baptized in the Spirit at the same time as being born anew by the Spirit. So then my experience was both Christ in me AND me in Christ. That is unusual. Many people only learn to enter Christ after some time...and a lot of people never do so...always just walking in their own power.

 

[Episkopos]

Could you check your grammar? Or maybe the problem is me. I don't understand your answer. It sounds like you are saying that Christ is in you because you've been regenerated by the Spirit. Is that right?

That's right we are born of the Spirit through regeneration...or new birth. Christ is then abiding in us.

 

[marks]

That's right we are born of the Spirit through regeneration...or new birth. Christ is then abiding in us.

OK, good.

And Christ remains in us from that point forward?

 

[Episkopos]

OK, good.

And Christ remains in us from that point forward?

Yes. He is our sample of God's life as a deposit. Through His abiding we have a living hope. Of course His power is not made manifest in our lives until we also abide in Him. Christ is not a minister of sin. As we abide in Him His life is pulled through us so that rivers of living water flow through us into the world. That is what it means to be filled with the Spirit.

 

[marks]

I walked in Zion in the Spirit near 40 years ago now for the first time. I was baptized in the Spirit at the same time as being born anew by the Spirit. So then my experience was both Christ in me AND me in Christ. That is unusual. Many people only learn to enter Christ after some time...and a lot of people never do so...always just walking in their own power.

Wow! Most unusual!

Wait . . . are you so certain about that? That you are so different? I mean, well, where do you see in the Bible born again believers who are being baptized in the Spirit?

Hm.

Now, this "walking in Zion", is that like being "caught up to the third heaven"? Am I on the right track here?

 

[marks]

Yes. He is our sample of God's life as a deposit. Through His abiding we have a living hope. Of course His power is not made manifest in our lives until we also abide in Him. Christ is not a minister of sin. As we abide in Him His life is pulled through us so that rivers of living water flow through us into the world. That is what it means to be filled with the Spirit.

So then what happens at the end, if you don't have enough good works, Jesus pulls out? And that could happen to you?