The necessity of the Trinity

[SovereignGrace]

Are we saved by passing a theology test?
No.
A person may be EXTREMELY misinformed about God and completely fail to academically understand Him, but we are not saved by passing theology test.
That's not to say academic learning isn't important (because it very much is), but it is not how we are saved.

My first 4-5 years after being saved I had a warped view of God. I was first a Modalist then fell into Arianism. But I always wanted to know more and more of Him, and through prayer, study, reading others’ post on online Christian sites, God gave me the correct view of Himself.

Ppl who claim to be CHRISTians for YEARS, DECADES, and deny the Trinity are on an unsustainable path.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Is a person saved by their ability to pass a theology test?

That’s not my point. Why ask this again when I answered it for you earlier?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

My first 4-5 years after being saved I had a warped view of God. I was first a Modalist then fell into Arianism. But I always wanted to know more and more of Him, and through prayer, study, reading others’ post on online Christian sites, God gave me the correct view of Himself.

Ppl who claim to be CHRISTians for YEARS, DECADES, and deny the Trinity are on an unsustainable path.

You didn't answer my question: is a person saved by their ability to pass an academic theology test?

That’s not my point. Why ask this again when I answered it for you earlier?

Because you are inconsistent.

You answer "no" with your words, but then with your actions you deride others as not being saved because they doin't pass a theology test.

 

[SovereignGrace]

You didn't answer my question: is a person saved by their ability to pass an academic theology test?

Because you are inconsistent.

You answer "no" with your words, but then with your actions you deride others as not being saved because they doin't pass a theology test.

No one is saved by knowledge and I stated this earlier to you. Don’t believe it, go back through the thread and find it. However, ppl will not remain in ignorance of God and all that He is.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

No one is saved by knowledge and I stated this earlier to you. Don’t believe it, go back through the thread and find it. However, ppl will not remain in ignorance of God and all that He is.

If you truly do not believe we are saved by our ability to pass a theology test, then you would happily acknowledge @APAK as your brother in Christ, even if you believe he is extremely misinformed (and then loving try to help your brother learn).

 

[Enoch111]

Is a person saved by their ability to pass a theology test?

No. But no one can genuinely believe on the Lord Jesus Christ without believing that He is God who became Man to die for our sins and be raised for our justification.

Because no man can die for another man's sins, only God Himself -- the Son of God, the Word of God -- could accomplish the work of redemption. And that is why this question was asked and answered properly:

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (Acts 8:36,27)

 

[Jane_Doe22]

No. But no one can genuinely believe on the Lord Jesus Christ without believing that He is God who became Man to die for our sins and be raised for our justification.

This little paragraph is self contradictory.

 

[SovereignGrace]

@Jane_Doe22

What I mean is that someone who is saved for YEARS and still has a false view of the Triune God is on an unsustainable path. Remember, But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.[John 16:13] The Spirit will not lead someone into a faulty view of the Godhead.

I never said we’re saved by knowledge, if that’s the case, we’d all die lost. But if ppl say they are saved for YEARS, DECADES, and have a deformed view of God, I have my concerns.

Prerequisite? Exactly. It’s not a prerequisite for salvation. But a decades long misunderstanding of who God is? Absolutely not. [John 16:13]

 

[Jane_Doe22]

@Jane_Doe22

Either we are:
1) Saved by our ability to pass a theology test and hence @APAK is not a saved.
2) Or we are not, and you acknowledge @APAK as a brother in Christ (even if a very misinformed one).

 

[SovereignGrace]

If you truly do not believe we are saved by our ability to pass a theology test, then you would happily acknowledge @APAK as your brother in Christ, even if you believe he is extremely misinformed (and then loving try to help your brother learn).

He’s unwilling to learn, and his posts attest to that fact. Look, no one is saved by knowledge, by the ability to pass a theology test. The point I am making is ppl who say their saved for YEARS, DECADES, yet have a grotesque view of the triune Hodhead.

Also, theology literally means study of God. Also, John 16:13 states no one who is saved will remain in a place where their view of God is twisted.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Either we are:
1) Saved by our ability to pass a theology test and hence @APAK is not a saved.
2) Or we are not, and you acknowledge @APAK as a brother in Christ (even if a very misinformed one).

We’re not saved by the ability to pass a theology test. But these one here who say they’ve studied for YEARS and DECADES can not pass one now.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

He’s unwilling to learn, and his posts attest to that fact. Look, no one is saved by knowledge, by the ability to pass a theology test. The point I am making is ppl who say their saved for YEARS, DECADES, yet have a grotesque view of the triune Hodhead.

Also, theology literally means study of God. Also, John 16:13 states no one who is saved will remain in a place where their view of God is twisted.

We’re not saved by the ability to pass a theology test. But these one here who say they’ve studied for YEARS and DECADES can not pass one now.

I don't disagree that some people go decades with horrendous theological knowledge. That happens with painful frequency. But I also don't go around saying these people aren't saved. You have done that exact thing with @APAK .

 

[SovereignGrace]

Either we are:
1) Saved by our ability to pass a theology test and hence @APAK is not a saved.
2) Or we are not, and you acknowledge @APAK as a brother in Christ (even if a very misinformed one).

Look at it like this...

When a child enters school in kindergarten, they have to be taught even rudimentary things like 2+2=4, 3-1=2, &c. You don’t start out with algebra and/or trigonometry. They also have to put in studying too, as the teachers can’t do it all for them. As they set in class and learn via teaching and studying, their knowledge grows.

That’s why it’s imperative for ppl to have solid theological ppl around them teaching the word unto them, especially right after being saved. If a child graduates high school and still can’t grasp the rudimentary things, either they had horrible teachers, didn’t put in the necessary studying, or a combination of both.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I don't disagree that some people go decades with horrendous theological knowledge. That happens with painful frequency. But I also don't go around saying these people aren't saved. You have done that exact thing with @APAK .

John 16:13?

 

[SovereignGrace]

I don't disagree that some people go decades with horrendous theological knowledge. That happens with painful frequency. But I also don't go around saying these people aren't saved. You have done that exact thing with @APAK .

Ppl will eventually get out of it if they are His ppl. He will not allow His ppl to remain ignorant of who He is.

 

[101G]

...so... Do you believe Christ is talking to himself while he's praying?

First thanks for the reply, second, God has always have counsel within himself. but here, the "shared" spirit is made LOWER, and G2758 κενόω kenoo, hence the prayer, or the Communication of himself, and with himself while in flesh and blood.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

101G..I have to disagree again on this one point here..sorry does not do it for me

No, it clearly states, being mindful of the context that Jesus is now immortal, and after his ascension into heaven he can now partake freely of the Holy Spirit with authority, to send the spirit of truth to those believers, through the Holy Spirit which is part of the Father, not Jesus. The source of all spirits is always of/from the Father.

Jesus does ‘come to them’ as he now partakes or is directly 'linked up' if you will, and is permitted to use the Holy Spirit for his purpose that is always congruent with the Father’s will. He is doing his Father's Spirit work to a great or massive extent and represents the power of his Father from Heaven.

Bless you,

APAK

we must diagree with you. John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". GOD'S OWNSELF is Spirit. once again this confirm John 1:1b, Jesus is the Spirit "Shared in Flesh and Blood.

PICJAG

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Look at it like this...

When a child enters school in kindergarten, they have to be taught even rudimentary things like 2+2=4, 3-1=2, &c. You don’t start out with algebra and/or trigonometry. They also have to put in studying too, as the teachers can’t do it all for them. As they set in class and learn via teaching and studying, their knowledge grows.

That’s why it’s imperative for ppl to have solid theological ppl around them teaching the word unto them, especially right after being saved. If a child graduates high school and still can’t grasp the rudimentary things, either they had horrible teachers, didn’t put in the necessary studying, or a combination of both.

I'm not doubting the importance of having a solid academic theological education. I have stated that it's very important several times.

But it does NOT save us.
I acknowledge @APAK and MANY MANY other people as brothers and sisters in Christ, despite their (no offense) horrendous theological knowledge about key subjects.
To do otherwise would make me a hypocrite: to say "no passing a theology test doesn't save you" but then to condemn others for failing that theological test. I practice what I preach.

If I were to condemn a person for being slow to learn (taking decades or even a full century plus), I would also be a hypocrite.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

First thanks for the reply, second, God has always have counsel within himself. but here, the "shared" spirit is made LOWER, and G2758 κενόω kenoo, hence the prayer, or the Communication of himself, and with himself while in flesh and blood.

PICJAG.

So you do believe Christ is talking to himself?
(Sorry, I'm not trying to be obstinate here, just trying to be thorough)

 

[SovereignGrace]

I'm not doubting the importance of having a solid academic theological education. I have stated that it's very important several times.

But it does NOT save us.
I acknowledge @APAK and MANY MANY other people as brothers and sisters in Christ, despite their (no offense) horrendous theological knowledge about key subjects.
To do otherwise would make me a hypocrite: to say "no passing a theology test doesn't save you" but then to condemn others for failing that theological test. I practice what I preach.

Again, I am not talking about having knowledge when we are saved. I’ve said this several times now. What I am talking about is ppl claiming they are saved for YEARS,DECADES, and still have a twisted view of the Triune Godhead.