I witnessed someone speaking in tongues today

[Jun2u]

I would like anyone to show me in scripture where it says the nine gifts of the spirit will be withdrawn once the printed word is complete.

I’ve NEVER conveyed that the nine spiritual gifts were done away with, EXCEPT tongues and interpretation of tongues which is the subject matter of the OP.. Healing and miracles and prophecy were also done away with but that is another issue.

From here on in, I will let Scripture speak for me so there will be no misunderstanding; except for words in bold, underlined, and in parenthesis ( ) are mine for emphasis.

1 Corinthians 12:11-12
11) But all these worketh that one and the self same Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 ) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1 Corinthians 13:8-10
8) Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail (cease); whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away (cease).
9) For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
10) But when that which is perfect (Jesus) is come, then that which is in part (prophecies, tongues, knowledge) shall be done away.

BELOW IS THE CRUX OF THE WHOLE MATTER!!

1 Corinthians 14:1-5
1) Follow after charity but desire spiritual gifts, but rather that you may prophesy,
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown (italicized words in the KJV Bible mean the words are not in the original manuscripts) tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3) But he that propfesieth speaketh unto men to edification, an exhortation, and comfort.
4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5) I would that you all spake with tongues, but rather you all prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interprets, that the church may receive edification!!

Note the word unknown is omitted in verse five.

To God Be The Glory

 

[justbyfaith]

Why would the Lord give certain spiritual gifts to people only over a short period before the 2nd Century?

Is the Holy Spirit different after a certain point in time?

On the contrary,

Heb 13:8, Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[Enoch111]

Why would the Lord give certain spiritual gifts to people only over a short period before the 2nd Century?

There were three specific spiritual gifts given for only the Apostolic Age -- prophecy, tongues, and supernatural knowledge, all related to divine revelations and the Word of God (1 Cor 13:8). By AD 100, the Bible was a complete book, and the apostle John the last genuine prophet. Therefore these gifts were withdrawn shortly thereafter. But there are many other gifts which have continued, and will continue until the Resurrection/Rapture.

 

[justbyfaith]

There were three specific spiritual gifts given for only the Apostolic Age -- prophecy, tongues, and supernatural knowledge, all related to divine revelations and the Word of God (1 Cor 13:8). By AD 100, the Bible was a complete book, and the apostle John the last genuine prophet. Therefore these gifts were withdrawn shortly thereafter. But there are many other gifts which have continued, and will continue until the Resurrection/Rapture.

So the Holy Spirit changed?

I don't think so.

Mal 3:6, For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

 

[Enoch111]

Heb 13:8, Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

We should not misinterpret or misunderstand this verse. What it is telling us is the Jesus Christ -- who is God -- does not change. He remains the same. And this applies to the triune and eternal Godhead.

At the same time, the Bible shows that God deals with men in different ways at different times, and with different covenants. Thus we have a broad division within the Bible -- the Old Covenant vs the New Covenant. God did not change, but His covenants definitely did. Similarly we see that signs, wonders, and miracles were not continuous. Signs were primarily for unbelieving Jews, and the sign gift of tongues fits into that category.

 

[justbyfaith]

Of course it says in Mark 16, And these signs shall follow them that believe...but only for a limited period of time.

 

[justbyfaith]

We should not misinterpret or misunderstand this verse. What it is telling us is the Jesus Christ -- who is God -- does not change. He remains the same. And this applies to the triune and eternal Godhead.

At the same time, the Bible shows that God deals with men in different ways at different times, and with different covenants. Thus we have a broad division within the Bible -- the Old Covenant vs the New Covenant. God did not change, but His covenants definitely did. Similarly we see that signs, wonders, and miracles were not continuous. Signs were primarily for unbelieving Jews, and the sign gift of tongues fits into that category.

Is there a third covenant after the New Covenant, in which tongues are taken out of the picture?

 

[justbyfaith]

Apparently we can disregard 1 Corinthians 12 and 14...we can cut these passages out of our Bibles, because they do not apply to today.

I would ask you why you think God included those words within the holy canon of scripture.

 

[Jun2u]

Explain to me what Peter quoted in Acts 2 from the Book of Joel, and I'll show you that you are in error.

Joel 2:28-29

28) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions;
29) And also upon the servants and upon the handmaid will I pour out my spirit.

This prophecy of Joel was to occur on Pentecost where the Spirit of God was to be poured out upon the disciples to give them power to begin to evangelize the world!!
When a word or sentence is doubled in Scripture, we can be assured that God will perform it.

However, Joel’s prophecy and Pentecost must be read in light of Acts 1:4-8.

4) And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5) For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6) When they therefore come together, they asked of him, saying,, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel
7) And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father has put in his own power.

Here now in the next verse is the crux of the whole matter!!

8) But ye shall receive power (dunamus), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

See, God had begun to evangelize the world as three thousand souls were saved!!

The disciples were given power to witness to the world by the pouring out of the Holy Ghost. Just as all true believers were mandated by Christ to go into all the world and teach all nations then the end will come.

Easy and simple to understand if anyone knows how to connect Scripture.

Now tell me why you think I.m in error. Awaiting your answer.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Enoch111]

Is there a third covenant after the New Covenant, in which tongues are taken out of the picture?

Not a "third covenant" but the complete written New Testament or New Covenant -- He Kaine Diatheke.

 

[GTW27]

There were three specific spiritual gifts given for only the Apostolic Age -- prophecy, tongues, and supernatural knowledge, all related to divine revelations and the Word of God (1 Cor 13:8). By AD 100, the Bible was a complete book, and the apostle John the last genuine prophet. Therefore these gifts were withdrawn shortly thereafter. But there are many other gifts which have continued, and will continue until the Resurrection/Rapture.

Blessings in Christ Jesus! The question I would ask a person that has the belief in what is writen above, and it appears many do, is this. Do you walk in The Spirit? Have you ever walked in The Spirit? Walking in The Spirit is clearly written in the Scriptures. If one has never walked in The Spirit, perhaps it is time to think about what that means. Members of the early church walked in The Spirit, Paul walked in The Spirit, and preached in The Spirit. Who is leading and who is following when one walks and preaches in The Spirit? And if The Spirit is leading when one preaches in The Spirit would not the words be The Lord words? Would not these words be Spirit and Truth? And when they worship The Lord, will they not worship Him in Spirit and in Truth? People today, act as if The Spiritual Gifts are just a gift He gives to us. The Spiritual Gifts are apart of Him in us, if we are truly born from above. Any one who truly is born from above and walks in The Spirit, knows that that doctrine written above is false because they live out The Truth of Him in us and us in Him. He is eternal and His promises are eternal. Walking in The Spirit and The Spiritual Gifts are the same then, as now, as He is the same then, as now. How many today are truly willing to jump in the backseat and let Him drive? How many today are truly will to lose their lives in order to gain it? How many today are truly believing all His Promises.? And what did He promise to those that believe?
I received the gifts of Tongues on the latter part of my journey after many years of walking in The Spirit and the other Spiritual gifts as The Lord saw fit. This is how I received it after reading 4 things a poster posted on another forum. He said to do these 4 things which proved to be correct.

1. Believe it is The Lords will to receive this Gift.
2. Go ask for it. (In prayer)
3. Thank The Lord for The Gift.(Act of Faith)
4. Go and do something you have never done before.

This I did about 2 years ago. I went to the bedroom and while praying I did 1 to 3. And suddenly by the time I reached the living room I opened my lips and the whole new language flowed out like a river. It was beautiful and believe me at the time I was amazed. It was not jibberish, it was a beautful new language that I felt more comfortable speaking than my own native tongue. When I pray or speak in this language it makes me feel like a sojourner here on earth, and my real home is from above, and not below. I also know that this was always with me as long as The Lord has been with me. I also know this language when used in prayer, the enemy hates it. Perhaps this is related to the war against The Spiritual Gifts today. Imagine for a moment, many sons and daughters praying in The Spirit changing the outcomes of many situations here on earth.I believe it is time to take back what the locust have eaten, and rebuke the devourer. It is time to turn the tide in this spiritual war. For those who are truly His, and you do not yet speak in tongues, have faith and perhaps the instructions above may be a Blessing for you. And to the others, it is better to hear the words now, than to hear them later.

 

[Enoch111]

The question I would ask a person that has the belief in what is writen above, and it appears many do, is this. Do you walk in The Spirit?

Did John the Baptist walk in the Spirit (was filled with the Spirit from his mother's womb) and also speak in tongues?
Did Jesus of Nazareth (who was filled with the Spirit every moment of His life) walk in the Spirit, and also speak in tongues?

The Bible states that tongues are sign for them that believe not (particularly the Jews). Now that we have the complete Bible and the Gospel is generally preached to Gentiles, the preaching of the Gospel is "the power of God unto salvation to them that believe" (Rom 1:16)

 

[justbyfaith]

Did Jesus of Nazareth (who was filled with the Spirit every moment of His life) walk in the Spirit, and also speak in tongues?

Mar 5:41, And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise.

Mar 7:34, And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened.

The apostles who penned the gospels gave the interpretation; but it appears that the Lord Jesus did indeed speak in tongues.

And John the Baptist was not recorded as speaking in tongues; which does not preclude that he never did so.

 

[marksman]

I’ve NEVER conveyed that the nine spiritual gifts were done away with, EXCEPT tongues and interpretation of tongues which is the subject matter of the OP.. Healing and miracles and prophecy were also done away with but that is another issue.

From here on in, I will let Scripture speak for me so there will be no misunderstanding; except for words in bold, underlined, and in parenthesis ( ) are mine for emphasis.

1 Corinthians 12:11-12
11) But all these worketh that one and the self same Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 ) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1 Corinthians 13:8-10
8) Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail (cease); whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away (cease).
9) For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
10) But when that which is perfect (Jesus) is come, then that which is in part (prophecies, tongues, knowledge) shall be done away.

BELOW IS THE CRUX OF THE WHOLE MATTER!!

1 Corinthians 14:1-5
1) Follow after charity but desire spiritual gifts, but rather that you may prophesy,
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown (italicized words in the KJV Bible mean the words are not in the original manuscripts) tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3) But he that propfesieth speaketh unto men to edification, an exhortation, and comfort.
4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5) I would that you all spake with tongues, but rather you all prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interprets, that the church may receive edification!!

Note the word unknown is omitted in verse five.

To God Be The Glory

Your ability to exegete scripture is woeful so let me help you.

1. I did not say you said the nine gifts of the Spirit had been done away with.

2. Nowhere in the verses you quoted does it say tongues and interpretation will be done away with.

3. Nowhere does it say Healing and miracles and prophecy have been done away with. Having prayed for people to be healed I can attest to that.

4. 1 Corinthian 12 says nothing about anything being done away with.

5. 1 Corinthians 13:10. You said the perfect coming is Jesus. Last time you said it was the bible.

6. 1 Corinthians says to DESIRE spiritual gifts. How can you do that if they have been done away with?

7. The fact that the word unknown is not in the original means nothing. it was included in the English to explain and clarify.

8. Paul said that he wanted everyone to speak in tongues. he did not say don't bother because they will disappear eventually.

9. 1 Corinthians 13. The perfect coming is not Jesus because the NT Church spoke in tongues after Jesus had come. And they spoke in tongues after he ascended.

10. So nowhere does it say that tongues will be done away with in the verses you quoted. Better luck next time.

 

[Davy]

To use the words of another poster, what a load of balderdash!!

It's a good word, I got it from Admiral Hornblower.

 

[Davy]

Joel 2:28-29

28) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions;
29) And also upon the servants and upon the handmaid will I pour out my spirit.

This prophecy of Joel was to occur on Pentecost where the Spirit of God was to be poured out upon the disciples to give them power to begin to evangelize the world!!
When a word or sentence is doubled in Scripture, we can be assured that God will perform it.

However, Joel’s prophecy and Pentecost must be read in light of Acts 1:4-8.

4) And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5) For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6) When they therefore come together, they asked of him, saying,, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel
7) And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father has put in his own power.

Here now in the next verse is the crux of the whole matter!!

8) But ye shall receive power (dunamus), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

See, God had begun to evangelize the world as three thousand souls were saved!!

The disciples were given power to witness to the world by the pouring out of the Holy Ghost. Just as all true believers were mandated by Christ to go into all the world and teach all nations then the end will come.

Easy and simple to understand if anyone knows how to connect Scripture.

Now tell me why you think I.m in error. Awaiting your answer.

To God Be The Glory

You failed to actually go back to Joel 2 where Peter was quoting from, and find out the TIMING of the Joel 2 Scripture. That is where I said you would err about this. Peter said, 'this is that...' which means 'an example of'. Pentecost was only an 'example' of the Joel 2 event to come at the very END... of this world, i.e., during the tribulation...

Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
KJV

That is the future time when God's two witnesses will appear in Jerusalem to prophesy against the beast for 1260 days (Rev.11). Two candlesticks are mentioned along with them, and Jesus said the candlesticks are the seven Churches (Rev.1). The real purpose of the cloven tongue is for that future time just prior to the "day of the Lord", and that is the timing Joel 2 is showing.

Take it or leave it, but that is what Peter was pointing to with quoting from Joel. He was not saying Joel 2 was then being fulfilled, but that Pentecost was only an example of that Joel 2 prophecy to occur at the end of this world just prior to Christ's return.

It will be an honor and a privilege for those of Christ's servants that are delivered up to give that Testimony for Him during the future great tribulation! God is going to speak to ALL nations through them by The Holy Spirit, and the world will not be able to resist it!

 

[Jun2u]

Your ability to exegete scripture is woeful so let me help you.

So you, as an unlearned person, think you can help? Which word/s “fail”, “cease”, or “vanish away” do you NOT understand seeing these words are synonymous!?!?

Your post does not even deserve a response. However, here is an advice.

Carefully read again and again 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14 until you have understood it’s contexts. The Holy Spirit might open your spiritual eyes. Then and only then can you even discuss the gifts of the spirit with others!!

To God Be The Glory.

 

[Jun2u]

Take it or leave it, but that is what Peter was pointing to with quoting from Joel. He was not saying Joel 2 was then being fulfilled, but that Pentecost was only an example of that Joel 2 prophecy to occur at the end of this world just prior to Christ's return.

It will be an honor and a privilege for those of Christ's servants that are delivered up to give that Testimony for Him during the future great tribulation! God is going to speak to ALL nations through them by The Holy Spirit, and the world will not be able to resist it!

I beg to differ. Joel’s prophecy was indeed in accord with Pentecost in Acts Chapter 2.

Note in verse 16 – But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel
Verse 17 – And it shall come to pass in the last days (we are living in the last days), saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and you old men shall dream dreams.

PROPHESY WHAT? The Gospel of course as three thousand souls were saved that day. You will not find this kind of language at the end of the Book of Revelation as you claim.

In fact, the context of Acts 2:39 will Not allow for the timing to be at the end of the world… because there is an ominous warning in Revelation 22:18-19.

18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book (Bible), if any man shall add unto this things,God shall add unto him the plagues (damnation) that are written in this book.

19) And if any man shall take away from the words of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Therefore, Acts 2:39 cannot be teaching the end of the world rather at Pentecost!!

To God Be The Glory

 

[CoreIssue]

Who are the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Persons of the Trinity then?

Are they not Father, Son, and Holy Ghost?

If you do not confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God then there is something wrong with you, 1 John 4:15, 1 John 5:5.

Unless I am mistaken you define the son as the flesh body of Jesus Christ, not the second person of the Trinity in the flesh body of Jesus.

 

[justbyfaith]

There is one God, the eternal Spirit, who came to dwell in flesh. Not a copy of Him; and not 1/3 of Him.