I just told you that this is a reference to the whole creation (v 22). Not unbelievers.[23] And not onlythey , but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit,
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I just told you that this is a reference to the whole creation (v 22). Not unbelievers.[23] And not onlythey , but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit,
The only question it raises is whether Lucifer/Satan can take the form of a man, or possess a man. And the answer is obvious.“Is this the man that made the earth tremble, that did shake kingdoms” ...it would at least raise some questions.
And Pharaoh sent, and called for Moses and Aaron, and said unto them, I have sinned this time: the LORD is righteous, and I and my people are wicked. (Exod 9:27)
I like your - "But Pharaoh always had freewill, and had he been a better man he would never have been chosen for this job to begin with "
Same with Judas?
But I have to watch that, because that takes me all the way to Satan!!
"Someone" was destined to be the Accuser. the Tempter , the Liar. Someone had to be the Tool to trip up sharpen Gods people...
So I have to watch myself, because one does think...If God "placed the Serpent in the tree" to do his job...how then can he be judged for doing what his job is!! That gets me thinking too deeply..yikes!!
I just told you that this is a reference to the whole creation (v 22). Not unbelievers.
The only question it raises is whether Lucifer/Satan can take the form of a man, or possess a man. And the answer is obvious.
Not really sure what your suggesting, are you saying unbelievers aren’t part of God’s creation?I just told you that this is a reference to the whole creation (v 22). Not unbelievers.
He didn't have to orchestrate it. Prophecy informs us that God knew how it would all play out, all Jesus had to do, which for Him was a struggle because it meant true separation from His Father, was to submit or surrender to His fate. Not all the armies of the earth could have killed Jesus if He had not offered up His own life, willingly laying it down. But what transpired in Israel at that time was a natural reaction to the holiness and the love that Christ displayed and lived, and His claim to deity as the Son of God. It is a human trait to hate righteousness and destroy all who by their example would lay bare our pretentious self-righteousness.Hey Grace, did God orchestrate his crusifiction?
Believe what?1 million plus in the wilderness visibly witnessing literal miracles of God, oceans parted food falling from the sky, rocks yielded water, serpents biting, yet none had the power to believe. Many still on this forum-insist that man has the power to believe. If that had been the case I believe the parting of the sea would’ve been enough.
God is all sovereign.
I think you need to read this passage again, including the previous verses. Just for context.1 Peter 3:19 "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1 Peter 3:20 "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
I’d share, but you wouldn’t believe me.Believe what?
Okay.I’d share, but you wouldn’t believe me.
did that already,I think you need to read this passage again, including the previous verses. Just for context.
I think it's good to concentrate on what Scripture itself says about repentance (e.g., Romans 2 contains Paul's great treatise on the subject, as regards the New Testament age). Sometimes speculating on what people might or would have done or not done in another dispensation can lead to circular reasoning.Romans 8:20-23
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. [23] And not only they , but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit , the redemption of our body.
Maybe the weakness is in assuming God fails, He who had a plan from and “they knew they were naked” and “For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,”
I think it's good to concentrate on what Scripture itself says about repentance (e.g., Romans 2 contains Paul's great treatise on the subject, as regards the New Testament age). Sometimes speculating on what people might or would have done or not done in another dispensation can lead to circular reasoning.
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