Should I be rebaptised?

[Stranger]

WRONG.
Paul ABSOLUTELY says that he is a "father" to the Corinthians.

Funny that you had to go to the KJV to find a version that didn't actually use the term "father".
HOWEVER, "I have begotten you through the Gospel" means the SAME thing.

When in doubt – ALWAYS go to the original language.
Let’s see what the GREEK has to say, shall we??

The Greek word used here is egennēsa (ἐγέννησα), which means “FATHER”:

Morphology: VIAA--1S Strong's: 1080 Transliterated: egennēsa Root:γεννάω
1) of men who fathered children 1a) to be born 1b) to be begotten 1b1) of women giving birth to children 2) metaph. 2a) to engender, cause to arise, excite 2b) in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life, to convert someone 2c) of God making Christ his son 2d) of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work

I REST my case.

No, Paul is not claiming to be their Father. They are born-again by the Gospel that he has given them. They are not born again by Paul. Only God can born one again. And God does it through the Gospel. God is their Father, not Paul.

Again, were you born-again? How? Why do you ignore my question?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Sounds like YOU'VE been reading too many of those little Jack Chick comic books.
You were probably an "X-Files" fan as well . . .

And yet you're the one who always provides pictures to sway your argument. What's the matter? Did Jack Chick educate you on the power of persuasion? Appears so.

Stranger

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

No, Paul is not claiming to be their Father. They are born-again by the Gospel that he has given them. They are not born again by Paul. Only God can born one again. And God does it through the Gospel. God is their Father, not Paul.

Again, were you born-again? How? Why do you ignore my question?

Stranger

Probably we need a forum topic something like, "What does it mean to be 'born again' and how do you know that you have been?" I read a book by an RC priest (John Powell) who said that he had been a priest for years before he became born again.

 

[Stranger]

Read the link I attached so you can school yourself.

I think you know which definition we "like".

No, I don't want to assume what you like. School me Mary. You're the great teacher after all. (except on southern history)

Stranger

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

No, Paul is not claiming to be their Father. They are born-again by the Gospel that he has given them. They are not born again by Paul. Only God can born one again. And God does it through the Gospel. God is their Father, not Paul.

Again, were you born-again? How? Why do you ignore my question?

Stranger

I would ask BoL why he didn't underline "through the gospel". Paul explicitly said in 1 Corinthians 1:14 that he was glad that he did not baptize many people because of the factions that were forming around this or that teacher of the gospel. It is believing God's TRUTH that saves one. This comes from above by means of the Holy Spirit "who comes to convince of truth, righteousness and judgment". That is why Jesus accused the Pharisees and Sadducees of being "blind guides"--because they had the Scriptures, but apparently did not believe them. Consequently, they did not believe God, as Abraham and Moses had. Had they truly believed Him, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

 

[Enoch111]

I agree, there is only ONE meaning of being born again that has been taught for 2,000 years.....being baptized with water.

Baptized with the Holy Spirit and regenerated by the Spirit. Not H2O.

 

[Stranger]

I would ask BoL why he didn't underline "through the gospel". Paul explicitly said in 1 Corinthians 1:14 that he was glad that he did not baptize many people because of the factions that were forming around this or that teacher of the gospel. It is believing God's TRUTH that saves one. This comes from above by means of the Holy Spirit "who comes to convince of truth, righteousness and judgment". That is why Jesus accused the Pharisees and Sadducees of being "blind guides"--because they had the Scriptures, but apparently did not believe them. Consequently, they did not believe God, as Abraham and Moses had. Had they truly believed Him, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Exactly right. They are born-again through the Gospel and Paul did not baptize many. Conclusion: the new birth does not come by water baptism.

Stranger

 

[Pearl]

I agree, there is only ONE meaning of being born again that has been taught for 2,000 years.....being baptized with water.

I was born again and filled with the Spirit many years before I was properly baptised and so I know that many people in the traditional churches must be the same as they count infant 'baptism' as the real thing.

We are born again as soon as we turn to Jesus in repentance and ask him into our lives. That is when we become part of His Church and are spiritually born into God's family.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Baptized with the Holy Spirit and regenerated by the Spirit. Not H2O.

Yes. The Bible is quite clear on the matter of Spirit baptism--born not of corruptible seed--Adam's--but of incorruptible--the seed of God. A baby or young child is incapable of the faith that is required for Spirit baptism. We are converted through the word of God which would be babble to a baby. "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God." (Romans 10:17)

I Jn 4:7: “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God” He who is a friend to the world is an enemy of God's and, in fact, hates God. But those who love God love what He loves.

I Jn 5:1: “Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ [Messiah] is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.” Whoever believes that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel, is born of God, and if you love God, you will love Jesus. Jesus told the Pharisees and Sadducees that if they really WERE children of Abraham, they would know who He was.

I Jn 5:4: “ For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-- our faith” The new godly nature, born from the spirit of God causes our affections to change toward God. We now love Him.

I Jn 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. ” Whoever has been born of God does not live a life of sin--how can he? His old nature, which delighted in sin, has been replaced by a new nature which despises sin--just as God does. I once heard the testimony of a man who had been into gambling and drinking before his conversion. He said that even though he knew it was sinful, he had no intention of quitting either sin when he gave his life to Christ. But, he laughed that God had other plans for him and caused him to view both vices as distasteful. He said he felt he had been on the verge of alcoholism and his wife had left him because he lost their house through his gambling debts. But now he was sober and in his right mind, praising God for changing him. (His wife came back to him when she realized he really had changed through the power of God.)

I Jn 5:18: “We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.” We are no longer slaves to sin but now servants of righteousness.

 

[Marymog]

No, I don't want to assume what you like. School me Mary. You're the great teacher after all. (except on southern history)

Stranger

Dear dear Stranger......YOU are the one who suggested that the Church "is composed of all born-again believers". I simply want to know what YOU believe "born again" means. Instead you want to be sarcastic and condescending. I am not sure what form of Christianity you are following but I don't recognize it. Especially when you hold up a pro-slavery killer as a hero instead of an Apostle or church saint. That is deeply concerning if of itself.

I asked you to give a definition of "born again" since there are multiple definitions of "born again". You failed to do that. End of story.


My prayers are with you....Mary

 

[tzcho2]

Yes. The Bible is quite clear on the matter of Spirit baptism--born not of corruptible seed--Adam's--but of incorruptible--the seed of God. A baby or young child is incapable of the faith that is required for Spirit baptism. We are converted through the word of God which would be babble to a baby. "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God." (Romans 10:17)

I Jn 4:7: “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God” He who is a friend to the world is an enemy of God's and, in fact, hates God. But those who love God love what He loves.

I Jn 5:1: “Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ [Messiah] is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.” Whoever believes that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel, is born of God, and if you love God, you will love Jesus. Jesus told the Pharisees and Sadducees that if they really WERE children of Abraham, they would know who He was.

I Jn 5:4: “ For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-- our faith” The new godly nature, born from the spirit of God causes our affections to change toward God. We now love Him.

I Jn 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. ” Whoever has been born of God does not live a life of sin--how can he? His old nature, which delighted in sin, has been replaced by a new nature which despises sin--just as God does. I once heard the testimony of a man who had been into gambling and drinking before his conversion. He said that even though he knew it was sinful, he had no intention of quitting either sin when he gave his life to Christ. But, he laughed that God had other plans for him and caused him to view both vices as distasteful. He said he felt he had been on the verge of alcoholism and his wife had left him because he lost their house through his gambling debts. But now he was sober and in his right mind and praised God for changing him. (His wife came back to him when she realized he really had changed through the power of God.)

I Jn 5:18: “We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.” We are no longer slaves to sin but now servants of righteousness.

Yes, this is the evidence that we have been reborn from above through & it testifies of the transformation through the Holy Spirit in Christ. Some think it's just a matter of believing in Jesus, but many believe in Jesus that do not know or surrender to Him. The the true work of grace by the Holy Spirit leads to the conviction of sin , transforms the sinner & begins the process of sanctification. I also know I am born again because I personally have a testimony of the change that happened to me, when conviction of my sin came & I surrendered to Christ Jesus as my Saviour & Lord.

 

[Marymog]

Baptized with the Holy Spirit and regenerated by the Spirit. Not H2O.

Hi enoch,

If we are not supposed to use H20 then why did the Apostles teach the use of H20?

Mary

 

[tzcho2]

Dear dear Stranger......YOU are the one who suggested that the Church "is composed of all born-again believers". I simply want to know what YOU believe "born again" means. Instead you want to be sarcastic and condescending. I am not sure what form of Christianity you are following but I don't recognize it. Especially when you hold up a pro-slavery killer as a hero instead of an Apostle or church saint. That is deeply concerning if of itself.
I asked you to give a definition of "born again" since there are multiple definitions of "born again". You failed to do that. End of story.
My prayers are with you....Mary

You follow a false religion that parades with external looks of holiness but has no Holiness within that comes from grace thru faith alone in Jesus Christ's finish work on Calvary - there has been no transformation of being born again from above has taken place in your false religion, that's why your ears & heart are remain closed, the hypocrisy and lack of understanding of the Christian doctrine of Salvation & being born of God through the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Marymog]

I was born again and filled with the Spirit many years before I was properly baptised and so I know that many people in the traditional churches must be the same as they count infant 'baptism' as the real thing.

We are born again as soon as we turn to Jesus in repentance and ask him into our lives. That is when we become part of His Church and are spiritually born into God's family.

Thank you Pearl. I love bible study.

Jesus said: Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicode’mus, who was a smart man, couldn't figure out what being "born again" meant so he asked Jesus: “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

Jesus answered him by clarifying to Nicodemus what it meant to be born again by saying, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

Soooo to be "born again" one has to be born of water and Spirit, just like Jesus said. We are not "born again as soon as we turn to Jesus in repentance and ask him into our lives". That is the first step. Baptism is the 2nd step which is made clear throughout the NT: Acts 16:33, Acts 8:36, Acts 2:41

Bible study Mary

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Yes, this is the evidence that we have been reborn from above through & it testifies of the transformation through the Holy Spirit in Christ. Some think it's just a matter of believing in Jesus, but many believe in Jesus that do not know or surrender to Him. The the true work of grace by the Holy Spirit leads to the conviction of sin , transforms the sinner & begins the process of sanctification. I also know I am born again because I personally have a testimony of the change that happened to me, when conviction of my sin came & I surrendered to Christ Jesus as my Saviour & Lord.

Just being a deist (the Book of James speaks to this, when it says that even the demons believe God is real) who "kind of likes Jesus" does not make one born again from above. Your beliefs might make you live a reasonably decent life here on earth but, you would not be saved by the Blood of Jesus. I'm reminded of a liberal female "theologian" who said that she thought it just awful that Christians would speak of being saved by the Blood of Jesus! Salvation is only possible for those who have been washed clean of their sin through the Blood. Without the Blood, we must pay for our own sin at the Final Judgment.

 

[Pearl]

Thank you Pearl. I love bible study.

Jesus said: Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicode’mus, who was a smart man, couldn't figure out what being "born again" meant so he asked Jesus: “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

Jesus answered him by clarifying to Nicodemus what it meant to be born again by saying, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

Soooo to be "born again" one has to be born of water and Spirit, just like Jesus said. We are not "born again as soon as we turn to Jesus in repentance and ask him into our lives". That is the first step. Baptism is the 2nd step which is made clear throughout the NT: Acts 16:33, Acts 8:36, Acts 2:41

Bible study Mary

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Well then Mary, so are you saying that the many, many people who believe themselves to be born again Christians but belong to traditional churches which deny that they need to be 'rebaptised' are in fact not?

 

[Marymog]

You follow a false religion that parades with external looks of holiness but has no Holiness within that comes from grace thru faith alone in Jesus Christ's finish work on Calvary - there has been no transformation of being born again from above has taken place in your false religion, that's why your ears & heart are remain closed, the hypocrisy and lack of understanding of the Christian doctrine of Salvation & being born of God through the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Thank you tzcho.

Since you KNOW the Truth of all these things please write a catechism and reveal what you KNOW to the rest of the world so we may become as enlightened as you are.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

e
Well then Mary, so are you saying that the many, many people who believe themselves to be born again Christians but belong to traditional churches which deny that they need to be 'rebaptised' are in fact not?

Thank you for the question Pearl.

If one received a Trinitarian baptism then they do not need to be re-baptized when changing denominations.

Does that answer your question?

Mary

 

[tzcho2]

Just being a deist (the Book of James speaks to this, when it says that even the demons believe God is real) who "kind of likes Jesus" does not make one born again from above. Your beliefs might make you live a reasonably decent life here on earth but, you would not be saved by the Blood of Jesus. I'm reminded of a liberal female "theologian" who said that she thought it just awful that Christians would speak of being saved by the Blood of Jesus!
Salvation is only possible for those who have been washed clean of their sin through the Blood.
Without the Blood, we must pay for our own sin at the Final Judgment.

Yes, that is a good example, they just don't get it. They think it is an intellectual thing.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

A note for those who think that Jesus was speaking of water baptism when He spoke to Nicodemus about being "born of the water and the Spirit".

In the times of the prophets, baptism for the outward step, signifying an inner turning from sin and back to God, was taught as well as a pouring out of one's heart in confession of sin. Lamentations 2:19 speaks of "pour out your heart like water" and 1 Samuel 7:6 pictures the Israelites drawing and pouring of water in a ceremony of repentance.

But, in Jesus' day, it was common to speak of "being born of the water" to indicate natural birth. It was not speaking of water baptism as an indication that one had turned away from sin and turned toward God.

Since Jesus was seeking national repentance for Israel (He said He was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel) He was likely speaking of John the Baptist's "being born of water". The ancient sages pictured that mitzvah as taking one back to a purity like that of a baby or young child. Relatively few Jews, in Jesus' day, had knowledge of this outward step of faith, let alone having done it. Nicodemus apparently mistook Jesus as indicating natural birth.

Being baptized by the Spirit of God for the indwelling of His Holy Spirit was something new, about which, John the Baptist prophesied. For that, the Blood of Jesus is needed. It cleanses and refines with fire. Even the history of the earth gives testimony to this truth. The earth was cleansed by water in the Flood--but the ancients knew that this was only temporary. Next and last, the earth will be cleansed of evil through fire. The fire of the Holy Spirit is permanent.