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Fear and faith are incompatible - makes me wonder why there is so much fatalism within Christians today
I have no fear,nor am I polyanna ignorant either.
If you have a universalist type christian belief , I can see why you would have the make believe idea that God will eventually lead everyone to heaven regardless of who they are listening to, however that is not what the Bible states. Christians are warned to turn away from those that preach a False gospel, to beware of false teachers & wolves in sheep's clothing for a reason.
 
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Sadly, yes. But it has always been so for the most part. In the letters to the Seven Churches of Revelation you can see, early on, that developing scenario. I suspect that is why the refrain, "Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what He is saying to the churches" is given over and over (and promptly ignored by the churches--especially the RCC--most RC churches don't even teach the Book of Revelation :eek:).
This is possibly the most asinine lie you've told yet.
Not only does the Catholic Church teach on ALL of the Books of Scripture - The Book of Revelation is considered one of the most "Catholic" Books in the Bible.

Where do you think we get MOST of our references to the Mass??
(Rev. 1:10, Rev. 1:12, 2:5 Rev. 1:13, 4:4, 6:11, 7:9, 15:6, 19:13‐14 Rev. 2:5, 16, 21; 3:3; 16:11 Rev. 15:3‐4 Rev. 4:4, 5:14; 11:16, 14:3, 19:4 Rev. 5:8, 6:9‐11, 8:3‐4 Rev. 4:8 Rev. 2:17, Rev. 5:8, 8:3‐4 Rev. 6:9, Rev. 5, Rev. 8:3, 11:1, 14:18, 16:7, Rev. 14:4, Rev. 15:7, 16:1‐4, 8, 10, 12, 17; 21:9, Rev. 17,
Rev. 19:1, 3, 4, 6, 9, Rev. 5:14; 7:12; 19:4)


This is why your Protestant Fathers Luther and Calvin wanted to remove them from their Canons - and WOULD have, had it not been for the pleading from their contemporaries. Virtually the ENTIRE Book is read at Mass during the C Liturgical cycle.

Don't you ever tire of being proven wrong??
Do your HOMEWORK . . .
 

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This is possibly the most asinine lie you've told yet.
Not only does the Catholic Church teach on ALL of the Books of Scripture - The Book of Revelation is considered one of the most "Catholic" Books in the Bible.

Where do you think we get MOST of our references to the Mass??
(Rev. 1:10, Rev. 1:12, 2:5 Rev. 1:13, 4:4, 6:11, 7:9, 15:6, 19:13‐14 Rev. 2:5, 16, 21; 3:3; 16:11 Rev. 15:3‐4 Rev. 4:4, 5:14; 11:16, 14:3, 19:4 Rev. 5:8, 6:9‐11, 8:3‐4 Rev. 4:8 Rev. 2:17, Rev. 5:8, 8:3‐4 Rev. 6:9, Rev. 5, Rev. 8:3, 11:1, 14:18, 16:7, Rev. 14:4, Rev. 15:7, 16:1‐4, 8, 10, 12, 17; 21:9, Rev. 17,
Rev. 19:1, 3, 4, 6, 9, Rev. 5:14; 7:12; 19:4)


This is why your Protestant Fathers Luther and Calvin wanted to remove them from their Canons - and WOULD have, had it not been for the pleading from their contemporaries. Virtually the ENTIRE Book is read at Mass during the C Liturgical cycle.

Don't you ever tire of being proven wrong??
Do your HOMEWORK . . .
Wow, wow, wow , wow what garbage from the rc church on the book of Revelation .
Never ceases to amaze the spiritual corruption and how Satan has took hold of the Roman Catholic church & from there this fallen angel has not only distorted the truth of the word of God as is his MO since deceiving Eve in the Garden of Eden, but has his leaders add & subtract and distort the meaning with license because he has conned the Vatican to claim the RCC itself is immutable & inerrant because it calls itself "THE church.
 
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Yes. Because there is steeply declining interest in Christianity in the Western nations, it seems that many "pastors" and "elders" have bumped Jesus aside and are erratically steering first here, then there in the hope of being more "relevant" to the lost (who aren't, for the most part, interested anyway). In the process, they have lost many of their passengers overboard. :(
The Church outside the church is growing I think. Even the non-denominational churches seem to be try to hard to be people pleasers instead of following the Holy Spirit's lead.
 

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The Church outside the church is growing I think. Even the non-denominational churches seem to be try to hard to be people pleasers instead of following the Holy Spirit's lead.
This is why local church activities need to concentrate on the Scriptural pattern of Acts 2.41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."
 
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This is why local church activities need to concentrate on the Scriptural pattern of Acts 2.41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."
When I first joined the church I used to belong to they called themselves a community of Christians and endeavoured to live as closely as possible to the pattern of Acts 2. But in the way of all humanity things changed and the last straw for me was when the pastor dressed as an elf at the Christmas service and said it was a party for Jesus.
 
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When I first joined the church I used to belong to they called themselves a community of Christians and endeavoured to live as closely as possible to the pattern of Acts 2. But in the way of all humanity things changed and the last straw for me was when the pastor dressed as an elf at the Christmas service and said it was a party for Jesus.
It should be Scriptural, not show business...
 

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The Church outside the church is growing I think. Even the non-denominational churches seem to be try to hard to be people pleasers instead of following the Holy Spirit's lead.
There is many ways God's word , & Christianity is under attack these days, by the secular world, by those who embrace multiculturalism/multiple faiths & removing Christian principles from our society, there are less churches preaching what is in the Bible, fewer who tolerate sound doctrines, the young embracing world values, the ecumenical movement to reverse the reformation, etc... all these things are buffeting Christianity it takes it's toll , it's the falling away that Jesus spoke of imo, that we are seeing.
 
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Wow, wow, wow , wow what garbage from the rc church on the book of Revelation .
Never ceases to amaze the spiritual corruption and how Satan has took hold of the Roman Catholic church & from there this fallen angel has not only distorted the truth of the word of God as is his MO since deceiving Eve in the Garden of Eden, but has his leaders add & subtract and distort the meaning with license because he has conned the Vatican to claim the RCC itself is immutable & inerrant because it calls itself "THE church.
Yet another one of your emply, impotent attacks with ZERO evidence for your claims.

Ummmmmmm, I was responding to @Lady Crosstalk's ridiculous LIE that we don't teach about the Book of Revelation. For people who post so much on this forum - NEITHER of you does much homework DO you??

You're running on fumes . . .
 

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If people don't recognize the spiritual danger, corruption, and threat that the Rcc presents to Christendom, then something has beguiled you.
And if people like YOU keep posting empty, moronic posts like this - nobody's going to know what you're talking about . . .
 

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There is many ways God's word , & Christianity is under attack these days, by the secular world, by those who embrace multiculturalism/multiple faiths & removing Christian principles from our society, there are less churches preaching what is in the Bible, fewer who tolerate sound doctrines, the young embracing world values, the ecumenical movement to reverse the reformation, etc... all these things are buffeting Christianity it takes it's toll , it's the falling away that Jesus spoke of imo, that we are seeing.
We need to keep 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2) and concentrate on the Scripture attested activities of Acts 2.42:

"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."
 
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When I first joined the church I used to belong to they called themselves a community of Christians and endeavoured to live as closely as possible to the pattern of Acts 2. But in the way of all humanity things changed and the last straw for me was when the pastor dressed as an elf at the Christmas service and said it was a party for Jesus.

I hear you--a few years back, there was a mega church pastor who preached an entire sermon in clown makeup and costume!
 
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There is many ways God's word , & Christianity is under attack these days, by the secular world, by those who embrace multiculturalism/multiple faiths & removing Christian principles from our society, there are less churches preaching what is in the Bible, fewer who tolerate sound doctrines, the young embracing world values, the ecumenical movement to reverse the reformation, etc... all these things are buffeting Christianity it takes it's toll , it's the falling away that Jesus spoke of imo, that we are seeing.


I just heard about a church (in Minneapolis, I think) whose graveyard was near a Muslim neighborhood who covered up the crosses on the graves because they "offended" the Muslims! You can believe that, if the situation was reversed, the crescent moon would NOT be covered on their graves. Shaking my head. :(
 

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I just heard about a church (in Minneapolis, I think) whose graveyard was near a Muslim neighborhood who covered up the crosses on the graves because they "offended" the Muslims! Shaking my head. :(
It's always the Muslims that are offended. They say Oh we can't call Christmas Christmas because Muslims will be offended. We can't fly the Union flag cos guess what . . ? Yeah they will be offended.
 

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This is possibly the most asinine lie you've told yet.
Not only does the Catholic Church teach on ALL of the Books of Scripture - The Book of Revelation is considered one of the most "Catholic" Books in the Bible.

Where do you think we get MOST of our references to the Mass??
(Rev. 1:10, Rev. 1:12, 2:5 Rev. 1:13, 4:4, 6:11, 7:9, 15:6, 19:13‐14 Rev. 2:5, 16, 21; 3:3; 16:11 Rev. 15:3‐4 Rev. 4:4, 5:14; 11:16, 14:3, 19:4 Rev. 5:8, 6:9‐11, 8:3‐4 Rev. 4:8 Rev. 2:17, Rev. 5:8, 8:3‐4 Rev. 6:9, Rev. 5, Rev. 8:3, 11:1, 14:18, 16:7, Rev. 14:4, Rev. 15:7, 16:1‐4, 8, 10, 12, 17; 21:9, Rev. 17,
Rev. 19:1, 3, 4, 6, 9, Rev. 5:14; 7:12; 19:4)


This is why your Protestant Fathers Luther and Calvin wanted to remove them from their Canons - and WOULD have, had it not been for the pleading from their contemporaries. Virtually the ENTIRE Book is read at Mass during the C Liturgical cycle.

Don't you ever tire of being proven wrong??
Do your HOMEWORK . . .


I know several former RCs who said that the Book of Revelation was never taught. When they asked their priests why, one of them said that the RCC is amillennial, so there was no particular need to spend much time on it. The other former RCs said that it might have been read but they couldn't remember ever hearing any teaching on it. Other RCs have said that if it is taught, it is warped by the RCC teachings on it. As usual, you are behaving rudely, Bread of Life. Don't you ever get tired of being that way?
 
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I know several former RCs who said that the Book of Revelation was never taught. When they asked their priests why, one of them said that the RCC is amillennial, so there was no particular need to spend much time on it. The other former RCs said that it might have been read but they couldn't remember ever hearing any teaching on it. Other RCs have said that if it is taught, it is warped by the RCC teachings on it. As usual, you are behaving rudely, Bread of Life. Don't you ever get tired of being that way?
And once again, I'm only "rude" because I caught YOU in yet another LIE.

First of all - even if you do have friends who claim to be "Catholics" - it sounds like they are Catholic in name only and it pretty much stops there. They certainly don't sound like knowledgeable Catholics. In fact, it sounds like they haven't been to Mass in years - and probably didn't pay attention when they did attend.

YOU need to do a better job about gathering "facts" before you attack the Church. There are too many of us here that are educated enough to call your bluff and know when an anti-Catholic like YOU is talking out of their backside from a mile away. I WARNED you that I wouldn't let you get away with this stuff.

Ummmmm, what ever happened to your putting me on "ignore" . . .
 

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The only problem is that, if he is using the "official" RC interpretations for many passages, it is likely to just end up confusing his parishioners. :(

Yes, perhaps for many but...I would not include Aspen in that as, he does have a heart for God and is a good reader/studier (sp?). I'm sure God will honor that as he seeks Him. Also, 2 protestant Church's I had attended in the past, were teaching erroneous interpretations so, it's not just Catholics. I do not believe in much of their beliefs but then, there are also some Catholics that do not necessarily agree with ALL of their interps. Look at @amadeus for instance, he's a denomination all his own :D I don't think I would 100% agree with ANY denom. non-denom. Just have discernment and a right heart with God, and His Word IMHO ♥
 

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Yes. Because there is steeply declining interest in Christianity in the Western nations, it seems that many "pastors" and "elders" have bumped Jesus aside and are erratically steering first here, then there in the hope of being more "relevant" to the lost (who aren't, for the most part, interested anyway). In the process, they have lost many of their passengers overboard. :(

Pastors tend to repeat themselves when they are sharing the gospel - most people have heard it over and over and over and over.....they are bored listening to the same shallow headlines of the gospel AND they are comatose when ministers dive deep into mindless histories of dead people, which they mistakenly believe to be scholarly or deep theology. It is not! It is boring and tedious and has nothing to do with the gospel we are called to share.

If it does not tie into love - loving others, their sermons are just a signal for us to nap freely and deeply