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The Son ALWAYS existed - but NOT incarnate. His glorified Body came AFTER His Resurrection.

The Son ALWAYS existed - and incarnated "The Son" and Glory of God "before the world was". "O Father, glorify Thou Me..." --Jesus before He even died--, "...glorify Thou Me with Thine Own Self with the glory which I had WITH THEE before the world was."

BOL, however, insists, <His glorified Body came AFTER His Resurrection>.
 
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"He was already dead."

And not 'blood came out', but "blood-and-water" wherein was, nor is, any Life for anyone.
"For these things happened / were done that the Scriptures should be fulfilled, A bone of Him shall NOT be broken, because again another Scripture says (the same thing): They shall look to Him whom they, pierced", but when alive could not do any harm to, although He passed through the valley of death.

In other words, his side was pierced because and as God, foretold it! The "blood-and-water" which "came out" was not blood which Jesus, poured out pouring out his soul, alive, willing, and obediently "desiring to do Thy Will, o God!" It was "blood-and-water" not of Salvation, but "blood-and-water" that witnessed to and foretold the future day of Judgement and the everlasting punishment for all the wicked (and not for just "one of the soldiers" who actually pierced Jesus' side).
Didn't he bleed real blood when the thorns were slammed onto his head? Didn't he bleed real blood when he was whipped and scourged? Didn't he bleed real blood when the nails were hammered in to his hands and feet? How did he not shed blood?
 
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Didn't he bleed real blood when the thorns were slammed onto his head? Didn't he bleed real blood when he was whipped and scourged? Didn't he bleed real blood when the nails were hammered in to his hands and feet? How did he not shed blood?
wadr that is missing the point tho imo; we have a Testament loaded with blood--real blood supposedly, not any mix-word that might just mean "bodily fluid"--everywhere except at the actual incident? Wisdom is being hidden from the wise there imo

Fwiw I guess their word for "hedge" is intrinsic to understanding "crown of thorns," I was just reading this last night, didn't really absorb it all yet...hmm, I actually moved on from this article late last night, and then reloaded it for "some reason" lol, weird
The amazing name Sikkuth: meaning and etymology
 
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I know it's hard to contemplate from where we start, but Jesus did not die for your sins in the manner we are told--for money--today, and this can even be realized from Scripture.
 

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'~Have you not read where it says "that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin."~'

Don't you read that that was according to the previous dispensation or former sacrificial "ministry" and is saying nothing about Christ's Ministration of Himself the Priest, Himself the Sacrifice, Himself the Altar, who "poured out his soul" Himself, Himself the "I AM the Resurrection and the Life"?
Nice, iow that was the OT law of literal sin and death, if you'll allow me
The evidence just keeps mounting against your strange pet doctrine.
Well, "for," but whatever. This is not easy stuff to see I guess, you have to lose your desires and your premises first maybe. Sounds like it's straight from hell though at first I guess huh.

Shouldn't Jesus' contemporary prophets or maybe even Apostles have been aware of the power of Jesus' literal blood, brought like buckets maybe? Mentioned it, maybe? I tell you that we get a total of one, ambiguous v for a good reason imo
 
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wadr that is missing the point tho imo; we have a Testament loaded with blood--real blood supposedly, not any mix-word that might just mean "bodily fluid"--everywhere except at the actual incident? Wisdom is being hidden from the wise there imo

Fwiw I guess their word for "hedge" is intrinsic to understanding "crown of thorns," I was just reading this last night, didn't really absorb it all yet...hmm, I actually moved on from this article late last night, and then reloaded it for "some reason" lol, weird
The amazing name Sikkuth: meaning and etymology
So are you saying that if somebody drove a nail through your hand the resulting red stuff wouldn't be real blood but 'bodily fluids'? Forgive me if I've got it all wrong but I don't really understand your answer.
 
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No - your comment in REDS is not MY responsibility.
YOU are the one making this heretically asinine claim - so the onus is on YOU to show evidence for it.

GE: Here is YOUR evidence of YOU making this <heretically asinine claim>,

https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/blood-of-jesus.25631/page-13

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Where do you get this anti-Biblical manure?? … The Son ALWAYS existed - but NOT incarnate. His glorified Body came AFTER His Resurrection.
 
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As for your second comment in RED - show me where this is written.
Chapter and verse, please . . .

Many places, for example,
Isaiah 52, 53
Isaiah 52, 53
“From every text in the Bible there is a road to Jesus Christ.” C. H. Spurgeon.
From Isaiah 52:8, “…when the LORD shall bring again Zion”, the road to Jesus Christ is the waste places of Jerusalem on Zion, on the Passover of Yahweh from Egypt through Babylon... the road to Jesus Christ from the Table to the Tree, on the fourteenth day of the First Month when they killed the Passover of Yahweh.
From Isaiah 52:9, “…Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem”, the road to Jesus Christ, is the People of the LORD “comforted”, is, Jerusalem “redeemed”. “Thou stretched out Thy Right Hand .. Thou in Thy Mercy hast led forth the people, the people Thou hast redeemed, whom Thou hast guided in Thy Strength unto The Holy Habitation .. till the people pass over, O Lord, till the people pass over which Thou hast purchased. Thou shalt bring them in and plant them in the mountain of Thine Inheritance, The Place Thou hast made for Thee to dwell in, The Sanctuary, O Lord, thy hands have established. The LORD shall reign for ever and ever. .. Sing ye to the LORD, for He hath triumphed gloriously…” the road to Christ "on the sixteenth day of .. the First Month the Passover of Yahweh for you.”
As I said, many!
 

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So are you saying that if somebody drove a nail through your hand the resulting red stuff wouldn't be real blood but 'bodily fluids'? Forgive me if I've got it all wrong but I don't really understand your answer.
Well, for this I would ask for the Quote of the nails, and you don't have one of those either, see.
There is a big, elaborate story being told on the surface, that has nothing to do with the truth, essentially. Unfort you are getting this from me, possibly the very worst way to get it, dunno what to say about that other than sorry.

But I would redirect you to the thing about the contemporary prophets and apostles, who were supposed to be already in the know about the "power of the blood?"

Also, I know of very few Christians today who are really aware that there was a literal "law of sin and death" back then, the one that got repealed I mean, not the real, spiritual one. Iow an eye for an eye was not being observed, ppl got killed for lying, and even less I guess

But imo the long and short of it here is we have exactly zero Scripture for Jesus' actual blood being shed, and we do have "blood and water" for a good reason I guess, to comport with Scripture elsewhere.

So, don't get me wrong Bc I don't know, ok, but what I see is if you think you need Jesus' blood to be shed in order for God to be ok with you, then you can find that, sure.
 
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Well, for this I would ask for the Quote of the nails, and you don't have one of those either, see.
There is a big, elaborate story being told on the surface, that has nothing to do with the truth, essentially. Unfort you are getting this from me, possibly the very worst way to get it, dunno what to say about that other than sorry.
So from that I'm getting that you don't believe Jesus was crucified by being nailed to a cross.
 

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Jesus Christ..The last Lamb slain.

Lev 17-11
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

Jesus Christ..the only "Lamb-of-God", slain "once for all", "Sacrifice of Himself".
He "poured out his SOUL".

“Thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin”

“Of the travail of his soul shall he be satisfied”

“He hath poured out his soul unto death”.

The life of the blood sacrifices was shed in their blood being shed; but Jesus' blood was shed in his soul, his Life, being poured out.

“My lovingkindness will I not take from Him, nor suffer My Faithful to fail. My Covenant I will not break nor alter The Thing that is gone out of my lips. ... What Man is He That Liveth and shall not see death? Shall He deliver his soul from the hand of the grave?”
 
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So from that I'm getting that you don't believe Jesus was crucified by being nailed to a cross.
Wadr what I believe is irrelevant, really. What is Scripture saying that is being hidden from the wise is maybe a better frame. But that is very possible I guess, sure. Practically irrelevant though, unless you believe God needed a Sacrifice to make you acceptable to Him, which I no longer believe even a little, tiny bit
 

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So from that I'm getting that you don't believe Jesus was crucified by being nailed to a cross.
God comes to us where we are at, when we take a step toward Him imo. If that is what you need, sure, that is what you can have, and Nehushtan you can find later
 

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The Son ALWAYS existed - and incarnated "The Son" and Glory of God "before the world was". "O Father, glorify Thou Me..." --Jesus before He even died--, "...glorify Thou Me with Thine Own Self with the glory which I had WITH THEE before the world was."

BOL, however, insists, <His glorified Body came AFTER His Resurrection>.
John 17:50 isn't talking about his being incarnated BEFORE he came to earth.
This is YOUR perverse interpretation.

He is talking about the HEAVENLY Glory with which the Father glorified Him before the world was:

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Learn to properly divide Scripture . . .