What is The Great Delusion?

[stunnedbygrace]

I've heard lots of theories but none of them are what I think the great delusion is, but then I've never started a thread to specifically ask either! So I want to hear as many of you speak as want to answer. What do you think the great delusion will be/is? Curious if anyone has anything similar to my thought on it.

One other thing. If you find any OT vss that you think help your view of what the strong delusion could be, I'm very interested in hearing them.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Why do think there's only ONE?!? Didn't Hitler use a MULTITUDE, including National pride, Jealousy, Hate, Anger, Revenge, Oppression, Superiority / Inferiority, Supremacy, Technology, Destiny, etc.? You could boil some down to propaganda, but there's always some ~truth~ in each piece of propaganda, so the root theme is still there.

I could easily name a half a dozen contrivances for the a/c, but I think you get the idea ...


Bobby Jo

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Why do you think that I think there's only ONE?!?!

 

[Bobby Jo]

Why do you think that I think there's only ONE?!?!

" ... help your view of what the (implied SINGULAR) strong delusion could be ... "

Did you want me to read your text, or maybe read your MIND?!?

-- My wife would NOT think my comment was FUNNY, ... but us guys certainly know which buttons to push, and push we do!
Bobby Jo

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The bible verses refer to it as a strong delusion, singular. So that's why I put it as singular...go figure.

 

[Bobby Jo]

The bible verses refer to it as a strong delusion, singular. So that's why I put it as singular...go figure.

Yeah, it will be a "strong delusion" to each person, but probably at their own level and own set of experiences. For example, to the individual who is promised tax relief through a global "currency" (which is ENTIRELY taxed, and can't be cheated), he'll see money in his pocket; but to the man who need a job, global "currency" will force him to sign on so that he can pay his bills and feed his family. And for the business traveler, he'll see global "currency" as a financial exchange convenience.

And that's only one aspect of the myriad of "delusion" manifestations. -- Or so I might propose ...

... and my joke was a little funny wasn't it?
Bobby Jo

 

[Waiting on him]

I've heard lots of theories but none of them are what I think the great delusion is, but then I've never started a thread to specifically ask either! So I want to hear as many of you speak as want to answer. What do you think the great delusion will be/is? Curious if anyone has anything similar to my thought on it.

One other thing. If you find any OT vss that you think help your view of what the strong delusion could be, I'm very interested in hearing them.

This is your best life now.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Strong delusions are about, like what is peddled about the second coming and idolising so called Jews and their Talmud whore.

Jesus Christ is here and has been for 2000 years in fact, he said that he would never leave us and he never has, it's the majority that have been hoodwinked into following mans works religion and disregarded Jesus Christ, first and foremost in your lives.

The second coming is because Satan has over powered the body of Christ (Church) but Satan can not win over Christ Jesus, but only lead the people astray for a time and then all his works will be burnt up and seen for what they truly are and then Christ comes back into the lives of the majority and Church and State start abide in such together again. It's the same deal in the part to becoming born again just as it always was.

Satan mob is trying to make out that Jesus was never here in the first place and that's why they are looking for the second coming with glee. it's not going to be a good time at all but a time of Hellfire before they wake up to them selves and come to Jesus Christ.

So many people nowadays are looking away from Salvation in their Lord and are sadly deceived into looking to another and it's because they are looking towards worldly things, but the point is not in looking for such worldly things but Holy Spirit for guidance and then all the cards will fall into place so to speak and that's the way it works. because once man has ago at it, such becomes just a blundering mess due to the sinful nature of man. such can not cut it and such never has.

 

[Bobby Jo]

@Waiting on him
@Reggie Belafonte

Why do you waste people's time with non-answers.

SBG asked a specific question, and you both offer empty platitudes. Do you guys talk just hear your voices? Perhaps you should open a new Topic and you alternately say witty things like: I just pulled a bugger out of my nose; My nether regions stink; -- or how about: "I can't reach my head that far ..."



Whew,
Bobby Jo

 

[Keraz]

The 'strong delusion': 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, refers to non Christians, not to faithful believers.
However, there is a delusion, a deception which is quite prevalent among Christians today, that is; the 'rapture to heaven' theory. This controversial doctrine has gained many believers, but it simply does not have proper Biblical support. It can only be construed and assumed from many scriptures that merely infer that possibility. The fact of there being no consensus of a pre, mid or post rapture, after nearly 100 years of arguing about it, is enough to throw that whole idea into the bin, where it belongs.

We ARE told what God does plan for His people during the end times and we must stand firm in our faith through it all.
Jesus said: Take care to not be deceived...… Obviously it is possible for us to be deceived, as Paul confirms in 2 Timothy 4:3-4, so we all must discard any false and unbiblical teachings.

 

[Waiting on him]

@Waiting on him
@Reggie Belafonte

Why do you waste people's time with non-answers.

SBG asked a specific question, and you both offer empty platitudes. Do you guys talk just hear your voices? Perhaps you should open a new Topic and you alternately say witty things like: I just pulled a bugger out of my nose; My nether regions stink; -- or how about: "I can't reach my head that far ..."



Whew,
Bobby Jo

That’s my theory. It seems pretty delusional to me.

 

[farouk]

The 'strong delusion': 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, refers to non Christians, not to faithful believers.
However, there is a delusion, a deception which is quite prevalent among Christians today, that is; the 'rapture to heaven' theory. This controversial doctrine has gained many believers, but it simply does not have proper Biblical support. It can only be construed and assumed from many scriptures that merely infer that possibility. The fact of there being no consensus of a pre, mid or post rapture, after nearly 100 years of arguing about it, is enough to throw that whole idea into the bin, where it belongs.

We ARE told what God does plan for His people during the end times and we must stand firm in our faith through it all.
Jesus said: Take care to not be deceived...… Obviously it is possible for us to be deceived, as Paul confirms in 2 Timothy 4:3-4, so we all must discard any false and unbiblical teachings.

If one does not define the church and, separately, Israel, in the same way, then their deliverance likewise will not be understood in the same way, either. (Heavenly people - Cf. Ephesians 1 - versus earthly people, etc.). I think talk of making Biblical distinctions between the church and Israel as 'delusional' is ad hominem, frankly.

 

[quietthinker]

The Great Delusion.....Making lots of words but saying nothing of any import!

 

[Episkopos]

I've heard lots of theories but none of them are what I think the great delusion is, but then I've never started a thread to specifically ask either! So I want to hear as many of you speak as want to answer. What do you think the great delusion will be/is? Curious if anyone has anything similar to my thought on it.

One other thing. If you find any OT vss that you think help your view of what the strong delusion could be, I'm very interested in hearing them.

Luther opened a pandora's box of trouble when he made private and erroneous conclusions based on his idea of salvation by feeling saved based on convincing oneself of salvation through the reading of half-truths into the bible.

So the delusion is the clever infiltration of half-truths as the new foundations for a religious understanding that will fail before God.

Since the "reformation" thousands of versions of this error have appeared. It all consists of taking a truism...too far.

How can you spot the delusion? The delusion is aimed at salvation for the whole man...without gong through the cross. I call this...outer man salvation.

The delusion is so clever since the truth sounds so much like it. There is some definite truth IN the mix...but it leads to a false conclusion. It is obsessed with "getting saved." It makes personal salvation the goal of the gospel. It appeals to the selfish motives of the carnal outer man.

But God shows no mercy to the outer man. He speaks to the inner man. His salvation is towards the inner man.

Luther was a man of great anxiety....that looked for comfort in the bible but not in the Lord Himself. He was a crowd-pleaser and a crude and unloving adversary of the whole truth. He hated the Jews and he saw true believers (the Anabaptists) thrown to the fire.

What has survived to this day is that same spirit of delusion...as if the truth was based on this human interpretation based on the liberation of mankind AS HE IS in his fallen state. It replaces religious beliefs for faith from the inner man.

What makes the delusion so attractive is that God still works in it...in the parts that are true. If people would let go of these partial confirmations they could get to a much greater work of God in the whole truth. But a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. A little success goes to the head of the unrenewed mind.

Salvation without holiness? Which god offers that?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

@Waiting on him
@Reggie Belafonte

Why do you waste people's time with non-answers.

SBG asked a specific question, and you both offer empty platitudes. Do you guys talk just hear your voices? Perhaps you should open a new Topic and you alternately say witty things like: I just pulled a bugger out of my nose; My nether regions stink; -- or how about: "I can't reach my head that far ..."



Whew,
Bobby Jo

They aren't wasting my time...I asked them to speak and want to hear what they have to say about it.

Everyone, please keep speaking freely. There's no right or wrong answer. I'm asking for what you've arrived at for possibilities of what it is.

 

[Dave L]

“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [restrains] will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” (2 Thessalonians 2:1–12)

It speaks of Antichrist and those who follow him because God sent them strong delusion. Because they did not receive the love of the truth. Big problem with many today.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Epi, that post is most excellent.

When I read about Luther, his hatreds and retaliations, I knew he was a theologist but was, at best, not yet walking in the Spirit. I gave him more...mercy at first than you have, but when I looked around me in horror at the results, I saw that I didn't care so much for what he got right when he got so much wrong. He tried to correct a dangerous swerve, but he himself didn't know how to drive and overcompensated and created just another dangerous swerve.

I would have delved very deeply into more of his personal theology, thinking that his followers may have been the ones that twisted it, but his hatreds and retaliations prevented me from giving him that.

 

[Dave L]

Luther opened a pandora's box of trouble when he made private and erroneous conclusions based on his idea of salvation by feeling saved based on convincing oneself of salvation through the reading of half-truths into the bible.

So the delusion is the clever infiltration of half-truths as the new foundations for a religious understanding that will fail before God.

Since the "reformation" thousands of versions of this error have appeared. It all consists of taking a truism...too far.

How can you spot the delusion? The delusion is aimed at salvation for the whole man...without gong through the cross. I call this...outer man salvation.

The delusion is so clever since the truth sounds so much like it. There is some definite truth IN the mix...but it leads to a false conclusion. It is obsessed with "getting saved." It makes personal salvation the goal of the gospel. It appeals to the selfish motives of the carnal outer man.

But God shows no mercy to the outer man. He speaks to the inner man. His salvation is towards the inner man.

Luther was a man of great anxiety....that looked for comfort in the bible but not in the Lord Himself. He was a crowd-pleaser and a crude and unloving adversary of the whole truth. He hated the Jews and he saw true believers (the Anabaptists) thrown to the fire.

What has survived to this day is that same spirit of delusion...as if the truth was based on this human interpretation based on the liberation of mankind AS HE IS in his fallen state. It replaces religious beliefs for faith from the inner man.

What makes the delusion so attractive is that God still works in it...in the parts that are true. If people would let go of these partial confirmations they could get to a much greater work of God in the whole truth. But a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. A little success goes to the head of the unrenewed mind.

Salvation without holiness? Which god offers that?

I don't think you understand salvation from Luther's perspective. Have you ever read "Bondage of the Will"?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

A bottle that is clearly marked poison is not so great a threat. People will see the skull and crossbones and will not swallow it. So a bottle of poison is not deadly to a man.

But if you mix a little of the poison with a bottle of medicine, it is deadly to a man because he will swallow it in trust and die.

 

[Davy]

I've heard lots of theories but none of them are what I think the great delusion is, but then I've never started a thread to specifically ask either! So I want to hear as many of you speak as want to answer. What do you think the great delusion will be/is? Curious if anyone has anything similar to my thought on it.

One other thing. If you find any OT vss that you think help your view of what the strong delusion could be, I'm very interested in hearing them.

So, does that mean whatever you hear in this thread that you don't agree with, you're going to assign as being a theory? Is that the REAL purpose of this thread?

And what if there are more New Testament verse witnesses to show what it is than written in the OT? Are you Jewish Orthodox or something, and must rely on the Old Testament writings instead of the New Testament writings?

Apostle Paul's idea of the "strong delusion" is easy enough to understand for those with eyes to see, and ears to hear. It is about deception to that "man of sin" he warned about there in 2 Thessalonians 2, the one who will come working miracles claiming to be God.