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Lol.....God, not me, saw the North as being godly soooooo that is why the North won....with the help of God ;)

Not all people in the South were evil. There were some good people: John R. Lynch, Mary Meachum, Harriet Ann Jacobs, George Henry Thomas:rolleyes:

I have removed the un-necessary, condescending and mean comments from your post. Can you at least TRY to be civil? Otherwise you and I may get into a civil war...;)

Keeping it light....Mary

Where do you get the idea that God saw the north as 'godly'. Was Judas godly? Was Pilate godly.

Of course you remove some of my comments. That is the way you deal with history. As I said, 'selective'. You ignore what you don't like. What a history teacher.

I will go back to 'Lessons for Historical Mary' and give you some new lessons to ponder, and cut and paste.

Do you still have your book? Or rather, did you ever have the book? I know you said you did, but you were never on the right page. I personally don't believe you ever had it. You should try and purchase one. You recommended it. I bought it. Thus I don't see how you couldn't remember that Quantrill joined the Roman Church.

You recommended the book but then were oblivious to what was in the book.

I am being civil. Consider it constructive criticism. But it is only constructive if you receive it. Which you don't. Thus, I am uncivil.

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You are always selective in your reading and in your presentations. You don't present the whole truth. You only present the side that you support. I exposed you on this many times in the fourth page of 'Current Events and Politics Forum', under 'Lesson for Historical Mary'.

We should take this over there again.

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You have a lot in common with Joseph Goebbels: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

I hope you don't have a lot in common with the pre-converted Quantrill. :(

I will join you at the "lessons for historical mary' forum.
 
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Where do you get the idea that God saw the north as 'godly'. Was Judas godly? Was Pilate godly.

Of course you remove some of my comments. That is the way you deal with history. As I said, 'selective'. You ignore what you don't like. What a history teacher.

I will go back to 'Lessons for Historical Mary' and give you some new lessons to ponder, and cut and paste.

Do you still have your book? Or rather, did you ever have the book? I know you said you did, but you were never on the right page. I personally don't believe you ever had it. You should try and purchase one. You recommended it. I bought it. Thus I don't see how you couldn't remember that Quantrill joined the Roman Church.

You recommended the book but then were oblivious to what was in the book.

I am being civil. Consider it constructive criticism. But it is only constructive if you receive it. Which you don't. Thus, I am uncivil.

Stranger
Judas and Pilate had to be who they were to fulfill prophecy. God was still godly when he created them. ;)

I have access to the book for free so no reason for me to purchase it. :)

Please stop calling me a liar....It makes you look silly ESPECIALLY since I quoted the book. How could I quote something if I don't have it right in front of me silly boy. You do realize that different editions of it have different page numbers; don't you? o_O Sooo your 'evidence' of me not having the book is not really evidence...:rolleyes:

Nothing constructive in your chauvinistic sarcasm which makes you look childish.

I agree...you are uncivil.

Mary
 

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Judas and Pilate had to be who they were to fulfill prophecy. God was still godly when he created them. ;)

I have access to the book for free so no reason for me to purchase it. :)

Please stop calling me a liar....It makes you look silly ESPECIALLY since I quoted the book. How could I quote something if I don't have it right in front of me silly boy. You do realize that different editions of it have different page numbers; don't you? o_O Sooo your 'evidence' of me not having the book is not really evidence...:rolleyes:

Nothing constructive in your chauvinistic sarcasm which makes you look childish.

I agree...you are uncivil.

Mary

My point with Judas and Pilate is that on the eye level the they were the victors and Christ the loser.

Read through again our 6 pages in 'Lessons for Mary'.

See you over there.

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God has given us His word. Those who are under the leading of the Holy Spirit will interpret it correctly. But, sometimes Christians get preconceived notions of how things "should" be and see everything in light of that, disregarding the leading of the Holy Spirit on specific areas of Scripture. Fortunately, most of the points where true Christians disagree are not salvation issues. We all seem to agree on the basic doctrine.
Oh, really??
There are tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that ALL teach different doctrines - yet ALL claim that they have the "correct" interpretation from the Holy Spirit. They disagree on essentials as well as non-essentials.

- Some Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do NOT.
- Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do NOT.
- Some believe in the Limited Atonement, while others do NOT.
- Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do NOT.
- Some believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved”, while others do NOT.
- Some believe in a pre-tribulation “Rapture”, while others do NOT.
- Some believe that only those who were predestined will make it to heaven, while others do NOT.
- Some believe that some were predestined for hell, while others do NOT.
- Some believe in a woman’s right to choose abortion, while others do NOT.
- Some believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, while others do NOT.
- Most believe in contraception, while others do NOT – and the list goes on.

Sooooooo, where's all of this "basic agreement" on doctrinal matters?
 
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You have a lot in common with Joseph Goebbels: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
I hope you don't have a lot in common with the pre-converted Quantrill. :(
I will join you at the "lessons for historical mary' forum.
The hitler comparison...really?
 
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And so the game of verbal ping-pong goes on. And on, and on, and on ad infinitum.
Do people ever change their minds when others take a hard stance against their beliefs? I don't think so, it probably make them dig their heels in even more. Perhaps it's best left to God to do the work of persuasion and he will do it gently and convincingly and in his own way and in his own good time.
Marymog claims her Catholic church leaders have, without error or omission, carried out the work and teachings of Christ through the inspiration of the holy Spirit without pause or break for 2000 years. This despite the cries and screams of the persecuted calling out for justice as their blood trickles off the rocks and pages of history.
She decries any suggestion that one can today be led of the Spirit without the over-arching authority of men appointed as overseers of conscience. You may see any disagreement with such a concept as verbal ping pong, but perhaps you don't recognise what precisely is at stake here? It is religious freedom. Freedom of conscience from the human overlords who seek to usurp the authority of Jesus Christ over His own people. I think that is worth defending.
Marymog would have it that we don't realise what she is up to. But her deceptive manner of communication is not beyond the spirit of discernment available to all who are willing to surrender to Christ. She would have us believe that this is merely a debate over theology, or doctrine. No, no. It goes far deeper than that, and I will protest her Catholic claims to authority over the lives of God's people so long as I have breath.
Leaders in the church are just that. Leaders. Not overlords...not usurpers of God's authority...not masters over conscience. It is way past time that the Catholics in our midst recognised what true Protestantism was all about...and it is past time that non-Catholics among us did the same and stepped back from abandoning the very principles that gave them their freedom from Catholic tyranny. It may have taken time for Protestants to understand what real religious freedom means, but now that they do, why are they willing to give it all up for the sake of "unity"?? They are binding themselves in the same chains their forefathers fought to be free from and died that their children be free. The Christian church today, by cosying once again up to Rome, are trampling on the blood of their own spiritual pioneers.
The Protestant reformation wasn't about sola fidei, etc etc . It was about the basic human right to be free to believe in sola fidei etc etc. And it has always been, and always will be, because the leopard cannot change her spots, that Rome will oppose Protestantism and cannot accommodate any non-Catholic into fellowship without surrendering to Papal authority. That is the bottom line. Papal authority. Not doctrine, not dogma, not theology. And Marymog knows that but will only in a round=a=bout way attempt to assert it over the other members here...never never is she willing to directly address it.
 
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Sooooooo, where's all of this "basic agreement" on doctrinal matters?
Agreed. There is no agreement on even basic doctrine. Nor will there ever be so long as Catholicism and her daughters continue to deceive and misunderstand those basics. Such as salvation by faith alone through grace. What does that mean exactly? While Lutherans signed an agreement on justification by faith with Catholics, even those very leaders of the Lutheran church had no idea what they were getting themselves into. There is no way on God's green earth that Rome has ever changed its stance on what justification by faith alone means. Those stupid and idiotic charismatics and pentecostals who celebrated that the protest is over on the basis of their belief that somehow Rome now accepts that tenet of Protestant faith are tripping. They do not understand what justification by faith really means, nor do they understand what Rome thinks it means.
So yeah, agreements on the basics? Not by a long way. That narrow way is far narrower than anyone could possibly dare to imagine. It is too challenging to think that they are possibly on the wide road leading to destruction, while they are having such a good time in Jesus. And all those wide roads not only lead to hell and destruction, but most of them emanate from Rome. For anyone contemplating embracing Catholicism in all its faded glory and assumed doctrinal infallibility , they are on a road in which Rome is merely a way station on the way to hell. God says, come out of her My people, that ye partake not of her sins, and ye receive not of her plagues.
 
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Marymog claims her Catholic church leaders have, without error or omission, carried out the work and teachings of Christ through the inspiration of the holy Spirit without pause or break for 2000 years.
Self-deception is the worst kind of deception. What can you say?
 
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Sooooooo, where's all of this "basic agreement" on doctrinal matters?
The only basic agreement is that the Catholic Church is NOT the one true church of God -- Holy Mother Church -- on earth (as claimed by its teachings).
 
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Self-deception is the worst kind of deception. What can you say?
The truth. Only the truth can set them free. And pray the holy Spirit convinces her that our testimony is true. But that will and can only benefit those who have a love for truth. Truth not as a belief, but as a principle in the life. A love for Truth regardless of what the cost may be. To those who love Truth as a principle, God shall to them become a Revelation. Unfortunately, there are many who love only what they think is true. They believe the lie told them by their superiors, placing their eternal destiny in the hands of mortal sinful men.
 
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The truth. Only the truth can set them free. And pray the holy Spirit convinces her that our testimony is true. But that will and can only benefit those who have a love for truth. Truth not as a belief, but as a principle in the life. A love for Truth regardless of what the cost may be. To those who love Truth as a principle, God shall to them become a Revelation. Unfortunately, there are many who love only what they think is true. They believe the lie told them by their superiors, placing their eternal destiny in the hands of mortal sinful men.
Agreed. But repeatedly banging on about doctrine and arguing against another person beliefs will not shift them in their position. It's right to point out the truth, sew the seeds as it were, and then leave God to do the rest. In my experience the harder one tries to convince somebody that their views are wrong the more they become entrenched in their position and convinced that they are right. So in effect we can cause more harm than good. Only God can convict, so we pray and leave it to him to do the transformation by the renewing of the mind. Mary has heard what we believe ad infinitum and still holds to the same view of the RC church so perhaps it's now best to leave the work of changing her mind to God.
 

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Agreed. There is no agreement on even basic doctrine. Nor will there ever be so long as Catholicism and her daughters continue to deceive and misunderstand those basics. Such as salvation by faith alone through grace. What does that mean exactly? While Lutherans signed an agreement on justification by faith with Catholics, even those very leaders of the Lutheran church had no idea what they were getting themselves into. There is no way on God's green earth that Rome has ever changed its stance on what justification by faith alone means. Those stupid and idiotic charismatics and pentecostals who celebrated that the protest is over on the basis of their belief that somehow Rome now accepts that tenet of Protestant faith are tripping. They do not understand what justification by faith really means, nor do they understand what Rome thinks it means.
So yeah, agreements on the basics? Not by a long way. That narrow way is far narrower than anyone could possibly dare to imagine. It is too challenging to think that they are possibly on the wide road leading to destruction, while they are having such a good time in Jesus. And all those wide roads not only lead to hell and destruction, but most of them emanate from Rome. For anyone contemplating embracing Catholicism in all its faded glory and assumed doctrinal infallibility , they are on a road in which Rome is merely a way station on the way to hell. God says, come out of her My people, that ye partake not of her sins, and ye receive not of her plagues.
It's blindingly clear that you never read the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification.

It's ALSO clear that as a hope;less SDA adherent, you don't understand Scripture. Otherwise, you wouldn't believe in such nonsense as "Soul Sleep" or any of the false prophecies of your foundress Ellen G. White. That's what makes your attacks against the Catholic Church almost comical, if not so painfully tragic . . .
 

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The only basic agreement is that the Catholic Church is NOT the one true church of God -- Holy Mother Church -- on earth (as claimed by its teachings).
That is the most completely honest thing I've seen you post about Protestantism.

Yes, when it comes to "unity of doctrine" within Protestantism - this is about ALL you have in common . . .
 
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Agreed. But repeatedly banging on about doctrine and arguing against another person beliefs will not shift them in their position. It's right to point out the truth, sew the seeds as it were, and then leave God to do the rest. In my experience the harder one tries to convince somebody that their views are wrong the more they become entrenched in their position and convinced that they are right. So in effect we can cause more harm than good. Only God can convict, so we pray and leave it to him to do the transformation by the renewing of the mind. Mary has heard what we believe ad infinitum and still holds to the same view of the RC church so perhaps it's now best to leave the work of changing her mind to God.
I get what you are saying. And I agree that constant arguing over doctrine in (for example the Calvin/Arminian debacle) can be tiring and a waste of effort. People are entrenched in their isms, and yes, it takes the holy Spirit to draw them out and reveal truth to those willing to learn. Same as the unsaved. People are enslaved to sin and only God can set them free. However, deception of the kind that is being touted by Marymog is a different kettle of fish. I am not seeking to teach her doctrine. She is Catholic. Her doctrine is perfect...perfectly Catholic. IF she wanted to be a Christian, then I would teach her Christian doctrine. What she is attempting to do is teach Christians that they ought to embrace Catholic doctrine and to learn it from Catholic teachers, without recourse or faith in Christ. According to Marymog we have to trust their word that they are taught by God, and thus trust our eternal destinies to their testimony of their own infallibility. There is an underlying principle of who are we to trust that underscores everything Marymog presents on this forum. She is constantly attempting to cast doubt into the minds of the other members of this forum that echoes what one Pope said not long ago...that we cannot rely on our relationship with Christ...in fact he said anyone who claims to have such a relationship should be discouraged because according to him, and Marymog, only through priests...God's so-called ministers...can anyone have a relationship with God.
Do you see why therefore the Catholic church meets perfectly the criteria of being the Antichrist? They remove Christ and replace Him with their own system.

473 ἀντί anti an-tee’
a primary particle; prep; TDNT-1:372,61; {See TDNT 75 }
AV-for 15, because + 3639 4, for … cause 1, therefore + 3639 1, in the room of 1; 22
1) over against, opposite to, before
2) for, instead of, in place of (something)
2a) instead of
2b) for
2c) for that, because
2d) wherefore, for this cause


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ἀντίχριστος antichristos an-tee’-khris-tos
from 473 and 5547; n m; TDNT-9:493,1322; {See TDNT 850 }
AV-antichrist 5; 5
1) the adversary of the Messiah
For Synonyms see entry 5890



Marymog, regardless of how long it takes and how many people may be offended by the ongoing controversy, must be met full on because she, and one or two others, by their sophistry and lies, are most dangerous to young impressionable minds who may be reading these posts.
 
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The Catholic Church, although it may think of itself as the one true church, is a cult. I believe it's members are deceived but that also there are some among its numbers who are genuine in their acceptance of Jesus as Saviour. But what puzzles me is how they can't see the deceit and wrongness such as praying to man-made saints and to Jesus' mother and all the rest of their unscriptural traditions.
 
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there are some among its numbers who are genuine in their acceptance of Jesus as Saviour.
Yes, which is why God calls them 'My people', but He is calling them to come out...and He uses us, human instruments, to do that.
 

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The Catholic Church, although it may think of itself as the one true church, is a cult. I believe it's members are deceived but that also there are some among its numbers who are genuine in their acceptance of Jesus as Saviour. But what puzzles me is how they can't see the deceit and wrongness such as praying to man-made saints and to Jesus' mother and all the rest of their unscriptural traditions.
That's 4 unrelated topics. The first is a hateful un-Christian attack, calling Catholicism a cult. The other 2 are standard Protestant misunderstandings. Your whole post has nothing to do with the flow of the discussion.

The fact that you have a known SDA cult follower who "likes" your post says enough about you.
 
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