Gods Standard is...

[bbyrd009]

Sure does ♥

absolutely zero persons in God, for sure, no doubt.
No ppl there at all, and anyone who says diff does not know Scripture wadr.
its Pagan crap, or Catholic dogma, take your pick
Worship Mary as goddess or have preferences about a Literal Mary, or do both, no probs there, but see we got the same principle going on in Godhead now i guess, we got homos is what we got see. Either all Literal Mary or Madonna Worship Mary, we got like fags or dikes, which team you on?
lol

 

[Pearl]

absolutely zero persons in God, for sure, no doubt.
No ppl there at all, and anyone who says diff does not know Scripture wadr.
its Pagan crap, or Catholic dogma, take your pick

You are no Christian.

 

[Helen]

yes? lol
well, while your individual perspectives are surely valid, the Q of "how many women under the cross" and even "at the tomb" has not been addressed yet, and imo what we are doing now is individually representing those "different" perspectives in Scripture. Iow one may perceive Mary as Madonna (holy) and another as Jesus' human dna, while there is a third possibility occluded from us--if we are ignorant of how His contemporaries would hear "virgin" anyway, which may be debatable--that being the virgin (Athena, iow) will be with child

Who defines sin is maybe a pertinent Q in that context. Is whipping retailers at the Temple a sin, or not? Yes, and no, yes?

Iv'e always believed that there were three, the two Mary's and Salome. ( Or was it Joanna I forget) I remember checking it out when I was a 'young thing'. And found it to be three of them.

I believe Mary was indeed special, ( who couldn't be after being chosen by God to carry the Saviour of The World! )

Whatever man touches becomes defiled, whatever God touched becomes Holy.

The Temple grounds were holy, I don't remember reading that Jesus whipped anyone...He drove them out , but probably 'by the finger of God' pointing, then turned over their tables.
No sin was found in Him....the Perfect Lamb.

 

[bbyrd009]

You are no Christian.

didnt ask your opinion, and if you are a Mithraist anyway wadr, how would you know?

We'll just skip the "youre breaking forum rules" part

 

[bbyrd009]

And found it to be three of them.

imo it is two and three, as the various accounts--that believers generally Apologize for--illuminate, albeit in riddles

 

[101G]

That verse names all three persons of the Godhead/Trinity.

sorry, no it name only the Son, who is the Father shared in flesh. see, the title confuses people.

notice a child is "born", flesh the Christ. the son from heaven is Given, not born. "Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace". see he's called "wonderful", do miracles, Counsellor, which means he the mediator, which is the comforter, (see John 14:16 and 1John 2:1)
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

the same Person. examine both of those verses.

"the MIGHTY GOD".... everlasting, Jesus, see 1 Timothy 6:16. "The everlasting Father", see rev 1:4 &5, rev 4:11. Prince peace rev 1:5, and Rev 1:8.

PICJAG

ps I'll be out for a few but when return we'll pick up where we left off at.

 

[Pearl]

the title confuses people.

I'm not confused but I think you might be.

 

[Nancy]

?
sorry? what do you mean here, "you prefer?"
you have preferences, expectations, iow, where Reading is concerned?
hmm. Not being deliberately obtuse, sorry...just never occurred to me!

ah you do huh, ok
ya, dont care about that even a teeny liddle bit, sorry!

Can I not apply any of the definitions of the same given name over the other defs??
And, since we see nothing described of Mary in the bible that even resemble "bitterness or Rebelliousness" in her character - I am allowed to "prefer" one of those defs over another if I so choose. What's so wrong with that Mark?

 

[bbyrd009]

and if you are a Mithraist anyway wadr, h

which i guess I should put like "a Believer who also thinks that he might go up to heaven after he has literally died, to become an Immortal" or whatever, "Mithraist" doesn't not mean "bad" imo sorry ok

 

[bbyrd009]

the same Person. examine both of those verses.

i agree, strangely enough now i guess, Bc now imo "person" is being used correctly

 

[Nancy]

sorry, no it name only the Son, who is the Father shared in flesh. see, the title confuses people.

notice a child is "born", flesh the Christ. the son from heaven is Given, not born. "Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace". see he's called "wonderful", do miracles, Counsellor, which means he the mediator, which is the comforter, (see John 14:16 and 1John 2:1)
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

the same Person. examine both of those verses.

"the MIGHTY GOD".... everlasting, Jesus, see 1 Timothy 6:16. "The everlasting Father", see rev 1:4 &5, rev 4:11. Prince peace rev 1:5, and Rev 1:8.

PICJAG

ps I'll be out for a few but when return we'll pick up where we left off at.

Hi 101,
I do understand what you are saying here...that those verses really show that Jesus WAS GOD. But, I also understood what @Pearl meant. There is the Father Son And Holy Spirit involved in those verses, IMHO. ♥

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm not confused but I think you might be.

Of course you do, every one but you is confused, right.
Standing There feels good to all of us, k
"We" know lol

 

[bbyrd009]

Can I not apply any of the definitions of the same given name over the other defs??
And, since we see nothing described of Mary in the bible that even resemble "bitterness or Rebelliousness" in her character - I am allowed to "prefer" one of those defs over another if I so choose. What's so wrong with that Mark?

oh, misunderstood your phrasing there sorry. Yes, i agree, "bitter" is likely not a good interp

 

[Helen]

You are no Christian.

Pat, I have know him a long while now...and I can assure you he is.

He just wont be put in any 'box' of what Christian's "expect" people to do and be. He does have a unique ministry here.
And, what I say means nothing really...but if you trust Amadeus spiritual judgement at all , well he thinks very highly of our friend ( @bbyrd009) Mark.

His ministry is as a 'Challenger', to help us to "think" or rethink ,and not just expect to follow blindly the teachings of men.

Hopefully you will soon see past how he comes across, and see his heart.
He has a big one I can attest to that.

Hugs ...Helen. ♥︎

 

[bbyrd009]

aw well, ty. I am "sand in the gears," I guess, yeh

 

[Helen]

since we see nothing described of Mary in the bible that even resemble "bitterness or Rebelliousness" in her character - I am allowed to "prefer" one of those defs over another if I so choose. What's so wrong with that Mark?

Think of Naomi in the book of Ruth. She was ( via marriage) the how many great's in the linage of King David whom Jesus descended from.
Naomi had lost her husband and two sons...and took Ruth daughter in law..to (finally) meet Boaz and hence the blood-line of Jesus.

Naomi's name means bitter.
And did not Simeon in Luke 2 prophesy to Mary in the temple about Jesus ....and the prophesy ended with the words... " Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also, that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed...."

Mary had to watch the fruit of her body crucified horribly and could not ease His pain.

I watched my daughter give birth to our grandson...and I had to stand in the corner behind the doctor...powerless to help. I can't imagine Mary's heart pain.

Just a thought ....."in balance". lol

 

[Helen]

aw well, ty. I am "sand in the gears," I guess, yeh

Now don't get too humble here .

No, not sand in the gears...that would stop us dead in our tracts.
More like- 'iron sharpeneth iron' ....

 

[Nancy]

Think of Naomi in the book of Ruth. She was ( via marriage) the how many great's in the linage of King David whom Jesus descended from.
Naomi had lost her husband and two sons...and took Ruth daughter in law..to (finally) meet Boaz and hence the blood-line of Jesus.

Naomi's name means bitter.
And did not Simeon in Luke 2 prophesy to Mary in the temple about Jesus ....and the prophesy ended with the words... " Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also, that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed...."

Mary had to watch the fruit of her body crucified horribly and could not ease His pain.

I watched my daughter give birth to our grandson...and I had to stand in the corner behind the doctor...powerless to help. I can't imagine Mary's heart pain.

Just a thought ....."in balance". lol

Hmmm...Good points Helen. I suppose all of these "definitions" of the name Mary, or Miriam, or Maria...could be the characteristics of the three Marys in scripture?
I would think that the definition "wished for child" was the mother of Jesus...possibly the bitterness and rebelliousness can be accredited to the other Mary's?
Yet, I see your point as, I think if I were Mary (Mother of Jesus) watching how her son suffered so, how could she not have some bitterness towards those who tortured and killed Him. But, rebelliousness? Hmm...could that have been Mary Magdeline (sp?) before Christ?
Food for thought!
♥

 

[Pearl]

Pat, I have know him a long while now...and I can assure you he is.

He just wont be put in any 'box' of what Christian's "expect" people to do and be. He does have a unique ministry here.
And, what I say means nothing really...but if you trust Amadeus spiritual judgement at all , well he thinks very highly of our friend ( @bbyrd009) Mark.

His ministry is as a 'Challenger', to help us to "think" or rethink ,and not just expect to follow blindly the teachings of men.

Hopefully you will soon see past how he comes across, and see his heart.
He has a big one I can attest to that.

Hugs ...Helen. ♥︎

I have him on my ignore list so it won't be a problem.

 

[101G]

@Pearl and

Hi 101,
I do understand what you are saying here...that those verses really show that Jesus WAS GOD. But, I also understood what @Pearl meant. There is the Father Son And Holy Spirit involved in those verses, IMHO. ♥

first thanks for the reply, and the concern question. we will not argue, but exchange information... ok.

let's take this one step at a time, ok. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".
Is this verse refering to one or three person(s)? lets just talk for a moment.

PICJAG.