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Don't quite know what you mean when you say 'the law is being changed as we speak'.

Any change, of our no longer being under the law but under grace, is a change of God's laws. It is not a change from God's laws to mans laws.

If one is a queer, are you saying God approves because our government approves?

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Also 1 Peter 2:13-16
[13] Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; [14] Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him (Romans 13:4)for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. [15] For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: [16] As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

Acts 8:32
[32] The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

Matthew 10:38
[38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

^is none of that true then?
 

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True. We are to submit to them as well!

Show me one example of believer civil disobedience not ending in a juicy bloody massacre of innocent people.
Please read your your complete chapter before replying.

Justice is supposed to protect the innocent. Blood unjustly spilt defiles the land that can only be rectified with blood. There is a debt being levied against the land, a debt of blood.

Christians are made to compromise a little here and a little there for society, but the compromise is only one way and it will never be enough. Some day it will no longer be allowed to be a Christian, it won't matter if you accept homosexual marriage or not. So the question is will you be swept away by man, or swept away by God?
 

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Justice is supposed to protect the innocent. Blood unjustly spilt defiles the land that can only be rectified with blood. There is a debt being levied against the land, a debt of blood.

Christians are made to compromise a little here and a little there for society, but the compromise is only one way and it will never be enough. Some day it will no longer be allowed to be a Christian, it won't matter if you accept homosexual marriage or not. So the question is will you be swept away by man, or swept away by God?
That's correct. There are no such passages. Everyone wants to believe that there is but for the "privilege" of breaking civil law, innocent children must be sacrificed immediately. And I forgive people who make this choice. Lucky if their own family does not parish so that they can gain higher standing. I would choose not to have families chopped up, but that's only me. Nobody likes my choice.
 

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Also 1 Peter 2:13-16
[13] Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; [14] Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him (Romans 13:4)for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. [15] For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: [16] As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

Acts 8:32
[32] The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

Matthew 10:38
[38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

^is none of that true then?


All are true. Obey the government, even as Jesus did and went to the cross.
Thank you. Two more passages explaining that The Father works his will through secular government
are on my list...and that last one is really the clincher!

1 Peter 2:13-16
Titus 3
1 Timothy 2
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11
Colossians 1:15-17
1 Peter 2:13-16
Acts 8:32
Matthew 10:38
 

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I was talking to a young bloke who had been in Jail and he was saying to me what goes on in the Jails and he claimed not to be a poofter, but I said any man that has sex with another man is guilty of sodomy and sodomy is a homosexual act and their for one is what's called a poofter in Australia. he thought that it meant one was wimpy or a pansy, but no, it's anyone who does degenerate sexual acts with the same sex.

There are plenty such people who are Sodomites who are not Pansy's but can be seen as any man could be seen, but I think that the majority of people think that one is a weak pansy to be a homosexual, but that is not the case at all.

I have seen many a football player are Sodomites, Back in 1985 one even had sex with a goat in front of everyone I was informed of by our local boxing instructor who knows this bloke who is also a boxer and he seen this bloke do it. now that football bloke was seen as one mean bloke that went about bashing people up all the time in the next town and many feared him. now that bloke had a go at me about 6 months before this act with the goat and I bashed him and the boxer instructor came to me happy knowing that I did.
So their you go nasty fit long distance pushbike racer, boxer who plays footy and was a brick layer and a thug that is also Gay, Sodomite, homosexual, Poofter and into bestiality, but you know what many people loved that moron and idolised him, they thought him a hero and he bashed up all of his mates once who lived with him. I never knew him before he came with his mate to try and bash me up and I never seen him again.

One can not be straight and be a Homosexual Sodomite.
One who is bisexual is a Homosexual Sodomite.
One who is into anal sex regardless is a Sodomite.
One who is into bestiality is a Sodomite.

Then their is the new age boy called a Metrosexual, well he is just a boy claiming to be a man who gives in to all formes of depravity and gets offended if one looks down on anything that is not a liberal point of view, live and let live they say and will act with malice if you do not conform with their views, like you must not say this and that you have no right to say your views, they are Politically Correct wind bags.


There is a difference between degenerate acts and those that are not.
And it's the intentions, not the technology used.

Jeremiah 17
10 “I the Lord search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”

Proverbs 21
2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart.

1 Samuel 16
7 For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”
 

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Just because God establishes all authority doesn't mean that authority is good. He will place wicked rulers over the unrightious.
Romans 8:28
And we know that for those who love God
all things work together for good,
for those who are called according to his purpose
 

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That's correct. There are no such passages. Everyone wants to believe that there is but for the "privilege" of breaking civil law, innocent children must be sacrificed immediately. And I forgive people who make this choice. Lucky if their own family does not parish so that they can gain higher standing. I would choose not to have families chopped up, but that's only me. Nobody likes my choice.
I don't see how you come to the conclusion that innocent children must be sacrificed. It is their blood that is on the nation because of abortions.

Certainly to break civil law is the right thing to do in some situations, but we must also accept the repercussions from it. There is a scriptural principle I can't remember, perhaps it will come to me later.

By having families chopped up I assume you mean figuratively, I want to be certain after the first sentence. I believe in the power of God to overcome any demonic spirit.
 

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You must be talking about pansy's and not homosexuals.

A homosexual is a deviate who is into same sex relations and most run about looking to find anyone they can to have sex with or what ever they can do to get off.

Now listen mate, we have many problems with such people they drill holes in the public dunny's and many have been caught having sexual dealings in such places with people who they have only just met, try to spy on people in the dunny's you name it they are the dregs, you talk with them and they are into anything.
We had the Prime minister come at a Vineyard and a poofter seen the PM go into the dunny and so he was off like a flash to go see the PM's wee wee and then came back to tell all, he was so exited :rolleyes:o_O but that's it, they are idiots, I went to my sisters place once and a Gay was their and when I went to the dunny he raced into the dunny like a rocket to come in with me :eek: :confused::rolleyes:o_O how stupid ! can one get, it's a disgrace.
Not to mention other times having to deal with creeps like that, it's like oh really ! get lost you dirty dog.
No wonder such do get bashed up, because they sicken people with their vial antics.

So I think that you are talking about Pansy's, not filthy degenerate homosexuals.
And what do you call people who are in Jail who rape people all the time, they are homosexuals aren't they and what about the filthy priest who rape boys they are poofters no doubt.


Most people seeking same sex relations prefer to have just one sex partner in their lifetime, as God intended. God is opposed to one night orgies as well as "orgies" spread over decades. I say "God" but people have the same "dislike" for sharing multiple intimacies....and biology has the same "dislike" of people sharing fluids every which way.

Pedophiles are considered immature criminals in that they feel they cannot have sex with adults. So celibacy has created the problem for priests, but that is no excuse for abuse of others.
 
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I don't see how you come to the conclusion that innocent children must be sacrificed. It is their blood that is on the nation because of abortions.

Certainly to break civil law is the right thing to do in some situations, but we must also accept the repercussions from it. There is a scriptural principle I can't remember, perhaps it will come to me later.

By having families chopped up I assume you mean figuratively, I want to be certain after the first sentence. I believe in the power of God to overcome any demonic spirit.


In one passage of civil disobedience with David, entire families are fed to the lions and eaten before the bodies touch the floor.
In the second of the two examples , Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, all non-believers in the nation are diced onto chunks
and their homes leveled as an example.
 
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I don't see how you come to the conclusion that innocent children must be sacrificed. It is their blood that is on the nation because of abortions.

Certainly to break civil law is the right thing to do in some situations, but we must also accept the repercussions from it. There is a scriptural principle I can't remember, perhaps it will come to me later.

By having families chopped up I assume you mean figuratively, I want to be certain after the first sentence. I believe in the power of God to overcome any demonic spirit.


Only about half of zygotes implant on the uterus wall. So let's blame God for that half we don't get to see, eh? Why should women take all the credit?
 
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What I am not getting...(under the New Covenant) ..how homosexuals are held up as the most abominable. Sin is sin is it not?
According to most who post in this thread....God hates the Homosexuals ...BUT what about -the lier , the adulterer , ( those married after divorce) the glutton, the gossiper... why is homosexuality picked out from all the rest ?
Does He not hate all these too? I know lots of lying Christians who bend the truth. Cheat on taxes etc etc...

I mean, if we are talking about who is" in" and who is "out"...what about
Rev 21
8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

I see this list...yet I don't see you, ladycross, Taken, etc etc warning about these, and how terrible they are and how much God hates them...and they should be driven out of the neighbourhood far away from the rest of us. etc etc..

See what I mean? This thread does not make any sense.

Because homosexuality is a product of knowingly rejecting God. (Rom. 1:19-32)

Skywriting is not even saying homosexuality is a sin. He is saying God now condones and is for homosexuality. He is saying God is ok with homosexual marriages. He has manipulated the Scriptures in order to say that.

Stranger
 
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Seems pretty clear to me... anyone who divorces their spouse and remarries commits adultery.

Unless for fornication, that is right.

Now what do you think about homosexuality and homosexual marriages?

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Doesn’t matter what I say I’ll only dig myself into a deeper hole. I’ve been in the courts and know it’s corrupt. but still:Titus 3:1-3 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, [2] To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. [3] For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

Acts 8:32-33
[32] The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: [33] In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

Surely you want to get out of the hole. And I'm not trying to be funny.

Concerning (Titus 3:1-3), it is a good verse and true. But as has been shown, it does not mean we as Christians accept every law of man as from God. And when those laws that are contrary to God are passed, then we say no. These are not from God. (Acts 4:18-22)

Concerning (Acts 8:32-33), it also is a good verse and true. But that was the will of God. That was God's will and we can find it spoken of in the Old Testament and even prior to the writing of Scripture.

Is homosexuality the will of God for man? That is what Skywriting is saying.

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Also 1 Peter 2:13-16
[13] Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; [14] Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him (Romans 13:4)for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. [15] For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: [16] As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

Acts 8:32
[32] The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

Matthew 10:38
[38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

^is none of that true then?

In quoting (1 Peter 2:13-16), are you saying, because the U.S. law supports and declares homosexuality as good and right, that God supports and declares homosexuality as good and right? Are you saying homosexuality is what God wants for man? That is what Skywriting is saying to you.

The laws exist in our country that support homosexuality. I hate them. Do I submit to them in that I recognize they are law. Yes, I recognize they are law. But that doesn't mean I teach that they are right and from God just because the U.S. has made homosexuality legal and good. It is perversion. And I will teach instead what the Bible says about homosexuality. Not what U.S. law says.

All the verses you give are true and from God. As I said in the other post to you, Jesus Christ's sacrifice was always the will of God. So for any to oppose Him from going to the cross was to oppose God's will. Does that mean homosexuality is the will of God for man. Of course not. It is and has always been perversion before God.

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Unless for fornication, that is right.

Now what do you think about homosexuality and homosexual marriages?

Stranger
Are you saying if a woman has a husband that’s a fornicator and she divorces him then it’s ok for her to Marry another?

As to the other question, I don’t practice it myself because it’s a sin detestable in the sight of God as is all sin, but I’m guilty of it because I’m a sinner.

As for accepting mans laws, New Testament scripture is very clear. Doesn’t say in my opinion, we are to practice them all.

Do you pay taxes, Jesus observed that law?