Gods Standard is...

[bbyrd009]

Yes, little kids have habits.

I suggest that they are instilled, and not um "natural" tho

 

[bbyrd009]

Any man who is called to lead

Alright then, who is called to lead?

 

[marks]

now was not Christ slain at the end? .... (smile).

Now you've really lost me.

I was commenting on the verse in Revelation commonly misunderstood as teaching that Jesus was crucified before the world was made. Best as I can tell, the passage does not actually teach that.

Much love!

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus said what?

"... Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, God" Mark 10:18

So, the fullness of the Godhead dwelt inHim bodily-- ty Charity, check the rest maybe, for self-testifying tho--yet He asks why anyone calls Him good. Hmm.

Are there no "good habits"? If God is in the person keeping him on that pathway or showing how to do something habitually, is that that habit in that person, good?

Good point, i would say Yes. I guess i had more in mind "habits in time" maybe

Little kids are taught by a "good" mother not to put their hands into an open flame

Yet i have yet to hear or see one that didn't do it anyway. You? So i dunno if mom actually taught them a thing tbh. Maybe instilled some future trust perhaps

 

[stunnedbygrace]

But you are still placing those 'manifestations' as both separated by an eternity of time, and being together with each other.

God was with Himself. I suppose we wouldn't want to say, beside Himself.

Your solution contains a paradox just the same as the trinitarian solution.

And let us all grow in grace, and in much love!

John says of Jesus: he existed in the beginning with God and He was God.

 

[101G]

Now you've really lost me.

I was commenting on the verse in Revelation commonly misunderstood as teaching that Jesus was crucified before the world was made. Best as I can tell, the passage does not actually teach that.

Much love!

no confusion. see time ran out for man at the cross. we're in a Grace period. don't you know that the last days was over two thousand years ago? scriptures. Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds". please note a thousand years is like a day to God, so Jesus if you look at it from God point of view the Lord Jesus haven't been gone only a couple days ... (smile).

PICJAG.

 

[bbyrd009]

the Lord Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world. it must be spiritually descern.

Mouthful there i guess lol

 

[stunnedbygrace]

But the Lord was not slain before the foundation of the world. The names were recorded in the book before the foundation of the world. Interpret with the parallel passage.

The Jesus was crucified within this space/time continuum, once for all, when the time was right.

"You are my son, today I have begotten you." There was a time when Jesus was the begotten of the Father, before that Jesus was seen in the Messenger of YHWH, my understanding.

Meanwhile, all whose names do not remain written in the Book of Life since the foundation of the world will worship the beast and his image.

Check it out.

And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered before the world was made

 

[bbyrd009]

But the Lord was not slain before the foundation of the world. The names were recorded in the book before the foundation of the world. Interpret with the parallel passage.

The Jesus was crucified within this space/time continuum, once for all, when the time was right.

"You are my son, today I have begotten you." There was a time when Jesus was the begotten of the Father, before that Jesus was seen in the Messenger of YHWH, my understanding.

Meanwhile, all whose names do not remain written in the Book of Life since the foundation of the world will worship the beast and his image.

Check it out.

Could you provide the Scriptural arg, ty

 

[bbyrd009]

John says of Jesus: he existed in the beginning with God and He was God.

I would apply that to Christ, but i gave you a like anyway. Bet you can't Quote yours tho!

 

[bbyrd009]

And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered before the world was made

When is the world founded, iyo

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I would apply that to Christ, but i gave you a like anyway. Bet you can't Quote yours tho!

You wouldn't apply it to Christ? You don't think John was talking about Jesus? Thanks for the like even though you didn't agree with me.

 

[101G]

When is the world founded, iyo

before it was made

PICJAG

 

[stunnedbygrace]

When is the world founded, iyo

It doesn't say when the world was founded. It just says the Lamb was slain before that.

Its just a really odd way that God speaks sometimes, a little like...its already happened, because He already knows what the end is, since its going to happen exactly as He has planned. Trying to think of another instance where He spoke that way but I'd have to go digging for it. I think I noted it a few times in the prophets.

 

[bbyrd009]

You wouldn't apply it to Christ?

I would apply that to Christ

You don't think John was talking about Jesus?

one way to find out i guess. Call Lex!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I would apply that to Christ, but i gave you a like anyway. Bet you can't Quote yours tho!

I can quote it...

1In the beginning the Word already existed.

The Word was with God,

and the Word was God.

2He existed in the beginning with God.

3God created everything through him,

and nothing was created except through him.

4The Word gave life to everything that was created,a

and his life brought light to everyone.

5The light shines in the darkness,

and the darkness can never extinguish it.b

6God sent a man, John the Baptist,c 7to tell about the light so that everyone might believe because of his testimony. 8John himself was not the light; he was simply a witness to tell about the light. 9The one who is the true light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.

10He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him. 11He came to his own people, and even they rejected him. 12But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.

14So the Word became humandand made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness.e And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.

15John testified about him when he shouted to the crowds, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘Someone is coming after me who is far greater than I am, for he existed long before me.’”

16From his abundance we have all received one gracious blessing after another.f 17For the law was given through Moses, but God’s unfailing love and faithfulness came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God,gis near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us.

The Testimony of John the Baptist

19This was John’s testimony when the Jewish leaders sent priests and Temple assistantsh from Jerusalem to ask John, “Who are you?” 20He came right out and said, “I am not the Messiah.”

21“Well then, who are you?” they asked. “Are you Elijah?”

“No,” he replied.

“Are you the Prophet we are expecting?”i

“No.”

22“Then who are you? We need an answer for those who sent us. What do you have to say about yourself?”

23John replied in the words of the prophet Isaiah:



“I am a voice shouting in the wilderness,

‘Clear the way for the LORD’s coming!’”j



24Then the Pharisees who had been sent 25asked him, “If you aren’t the Messiah or Elijah or the Prophet, what right do you have to baptize?”

26John told them, “I baptize withkwater, but right here in the crowd is someone you do not recognize.27Though his ministry follows mine, I’m not even worthy to be his slave and untie the straps of his sandal.”

28This encounter took place in Bethany, an area east of the Jordan River, where John was baptizing.

Jesus, the Lamb of God

29The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!30He is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘A man is coming after me who is far greater than I am, for he existed long before me.’ 31I did not recognize him as the Messiah, but I have been baptizing with water so that he might be revealed to Israel.”

32Then John testified, “I saw the Holy Spirit descending like a dove from heaven and resting upon him. 33I didn’t know he was the one, but when God sent me to baptize with water, he told me, ‘The one on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ 34I saw this happen to Jesus, so I testify that he is the Chosen One of God.l”

 

[bbyrd009]

before it was made

PICJAG

Cmon g lol, when was the world made in your perspective, not that i actually expect a str8 anser.

 

[101G]

It doesn't say when the world was founded. It just says the Lamb was slain before that.

Its just a really odd way that God speaks sometimes, a little like...its already happened, because He already knows what the end is, since its going to happen exactly as He has planned. Trying to think of another instance where He spoke that way but I'd have to go digging for it. I think I noted it a few times in the prophets.

Romans 4:17 "(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, [even] God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

God called Abram a Father before he was a Father.

all time is one time for God

 

[bbyrd009]

It doesn't say when the world was founded.

Gee, not in the 6 days or anything, huh, hmm. Wanna see when the world was founded? With your own Two Eyes?

 

[amadeus]

Alright then, who is called to lead?

A good question indeed! Was Moses called to lead the children of Israel out of Egypt? Was Moses told to "lead" in the following verse or does "bring forth" mean something else?

"Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt." Ex 3:10

acy Yatsa' (yaw-tsaw'); Verb, Strong #: 3318

1. to go out, come out, exit, go forth
   1. (Qal)
      1. to go or come out or forth, depart
      2. to go forth (to a place)
      3. to go forward, proceed to (to or toward something)
      4. to come or go forth (with purpose or for result)
      5. to come out of
   2. (Hiphil)
      1. to cause to go or come out, bring out, lead out
      2. to bring out of
      3. to lead out
      4. to deliver
   3. (Hophal) to be brought out or forth

KJV Word Usage and Count
....out 518
....forth 411
bring 24
come 24
proceed 16
go 13
depart 10
miscellaneous 53

When did the children of Israel move? At Moses direction or command or was the leading done as per this verse?

"And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:" Ex 13:21

hxn Nachah (naw-khaw'); Verb, Strong #: 5148

1. to lead, guide
   1. (Qal) to lead, bring
   2. (Hiphil) to lead, guide

KJV Word Usage and Count
lead 24
guide 6
bring 4
bestowed 1
lead forth 1
govern 1
put 1
straiteneth 1

That thing of "leading" could mean being a boss and just recently I spoke against it on another thread. God alone is the only fully qualified leader when it comes to traveling along the highway of holiness [see Isaiah 35:8]...

Thank you my friend @bbyrd009 for bringing this to my attention!