Gods Standard is...

[bbyrd009]

Maybe we were defining habit differently then. I see that some are taught us. Others are...selfgenerated based on what makes us feel comfortable, in control, and unafraid.

after we have founded the world at least, certainly

 

[bbyrd009]

In other words, what we are now living (humans) has already happened in Gods view.

i dislike this personally bc Understand I AM

 

[bbyrd009]

Break up Nehushtan your own way imo, doesn't have to be my way, you don't have to literally walk out that door i guess, lotsa better hearts than mine sign 501c3s, pay taxes, vote, pay mortgages, all that. But you can burn incense, or become a sweet-smelling savor to God yourself, but imo you can't hardly do both.

i would def be seeking ego-destroying exercises over ego-building ones, playing the leader in forums, etc

 

[bbyrd009]

Hmm...no, I don't think I did know that. I mostly think of Him and refer to Him as Jesus, but Christ and Messiah and Father and Holy Spirit and Lord and many other names and descriptors bring to mind the same Jesus. They are all God to me.

Christ is Greek for Messiah i guess, one of the titles then currently held by the Caesar, another title. Declaring oneself Messiah equaled like me saying "I am really your leader, savior, not Trump or any other president" or whatever

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I say Amen! to the above.

As touching and making agreement.

 

[bbyrd009]

Hmm...no, I don't think I did know that. I mostly think of Him and refer to Him as Jesus, but Christ and Messiah and Father and Holy Spirit and Lord and many other names and descriptors bring to mind the same Jesus. They are all God to me.

I said "you are elohim"

 

[101G]

Hi ~

The Confusion comes when the "names" and titles" are not sorted out and properly Applied.

For example; IF "you" are A Dad, A CEO, A President of the PTA, A spouse....(etc.)

For every one of those positions, "you" may be called by a different Name and or Title, 'by' different people, Dependant upon the Capacity / Role you are Acting at a specific time, and Apply to you only.
It doesn't CHANGE "you" are the SAME "one" man.

Jesus' NAME was revealed just before His being revealed ON Earth, in the likeness AS a man.

Jesus' Title(s) were revealed ON Earth;
The Lord, The Son of God, The Son of Man, The Lamb of God, The Word of God, The Truth, etc.

All "TITLES" that "connect" to Jesus, are references TO Jesus, in particular Capicity/Roles He is or has filled, that Apply to Him only.

It was Not Jesus; It was Not the Lord, slain from the Foundation of the World.

It WAS:
The Lamb of God, The Word of God; that WAS SLAIN from the Foundation of the World.

The "SLAYING/MURDER/KILLING" ... of WHAT and HOW and BY WHOM, exactly is revealed in:

Isa 14
[11] Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

True Thoughts are IN the spirit IN the Heart.
Matters NOT if those Thoughts become Spoken. God Knows what WE Truly believe IN our spirit, IN our Heart, whether or not we Verbalized our True thoughts out of our mouth.

Who - was Observing the Foundation of the World Being Laid? ~
...The Morning Stars, (One revealed Later, is
...."The Bright Morning Star".
....One Revealed, is called Lucifer, later called
......by other names/titles, the devil, satan...
....One Reveal, is called The Lamb of God,
......Later revealed called, other names/titles
Who - was Slain at the Foundation of the World?
......The Lamb of God, The Word of God
What ~ is the Word of God?
.......TRUTH
What ~ Slays, Kills, Murders THE TRUTH?
....... A "LIE".
Who ~ LIED?
.......Lucifer
When ~ At the Foundation of the World
How ~ By His Thoughts
What ~ Thoughts?
......That he could RISE UP ABOVE GOD.
What was Lucifer THEN CALLED ?
......the First Murderer, A Liar, Satan, Devil,
......Enemy, Adversary, and other things.
What THEN Happened to Lucifer?
......He was CAST OUT of his First Estate
......(Heaven)
Cast OUT to Where?
.......Cast "DOWN" to Earth.
Lucifer/(satan) Had Great Power IN Heaven, and was allow to KEEP his great Power once he was Cast Down to Earth...and has been since the Beginning of man-kIND created things....The Adversary OF man-KIND.

A MYSTERY....
Every Name and Title Role, "we learn" About the Lord Jesus the Christ....HAS ALWAYS APPLIED to Him, whether or NOT it had been REVEALED (yet) TO man-KIND.

So When man-KIND was notified of a coming Messiah to Save the World... He had Been Already Present Helping men TO OVERCOME their Adversary.... BECAUSE the Adversary was Already present ON Earth...(the Very Place, God planned and was Preparing for man-KINDS Habitat).

Jesus said, He is the Truth, the Way, the Life.
Scripture notifies us He is the Savior, the Lord, the Christ, the Power, the Spriit....etc.

From the Beginning of manKIND..... "Through"...The Word of God
Has Always Been "HOW" a man "Overcomes" his Adversary, which IS satan.

Glory to God,
Taken

Good points, but one thing. is not all those titles are of the one person Jesus? the Lamb of God, is not this Jesus? but is not Jesus the Spirit? where did the Lamb of God come from? let's see, John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me". well if he came from God he is God himself. scripture, Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. (this is not the the Lamb of God, which had blood, but this is the LAMB, without blood, the Holy Ghost, who is sent into the world, to reprove it of sin)
Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne".

now .... "titles". the Lamb who stood as it had been slain, this is the resurrected JESUS?. notice he is the Lamb and not the Lamb of God, this is God himself. this is the ROOT, and not the Offspringwho is standing, which Jesus is both.

so the One who stand is the one who sits on the throne, the true diversified God, his plurality is clearly shown.

oh yes, names and titles. for he who sits on the throne in Chapter 4 & 5 is Jesus, the Son of God. and he that stand, or is resurrected is JESUS, the son of man ... (smile). the same one Person.

Now there's something one can chew on.

PICJAG.

 

[bbyrd009]

"Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee" Psalm 2:6-7

Is it about David only? Is David the only Son? Is David the man of flesh to be our King? Is not Zion a "parched place"? Who is parched trying to live without real water but then what was it that Jesus brought? Only David?

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly" John 10:10

"Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life" John 4:13-14

nice imo! love the "parched place" every Zionist obv is unaware of lol

 

[Taken]

Mmm...I changed my mind. At first I was mad at God and thought He could have found a better way than killing Jesus, who I madly loved. I told Jesus I would talk to Him but not to God. Then I read John for the second time and saw that Jesus WAS God, and I changed my mind.

That's funny you say you were mad at God for killing Jesus...
Funny
Because God was Mad at the People, (and let them know it) for not finding HIS WORD, "enough" for People to Believe.
The People, Hearing Gods Word, were to Teach other men...and the Teachers were frustrated, BECAUSE men they were teaching, KEPT asking TO SEE God, besides only Hearing About Him.

Ex 32

1. [9] And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

Exod.33

1. [3] Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art astiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way.
2. [5] For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.

Exod.34

1. [9] And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.

The People witnesses to Being in Bondage and witnesses and taking Part in being released from Bondage By the Lord....YET, then Wanted to SEE the Lord God...AS IF His Word was not sufficient.

That continued on into the NT...
Blessed is the man who can Believe without Seeing God, but yet Sees the Works of Gods Hand, and Believes.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

so i'm curious now how this might have affected your former habit of "looking up," rapture beliefs, etc. Rhetorical Q tho

Correct!

priceless, ty

 

[bbyrd009]

is not all those titles are of the one person Jesus?

ezackly not, and that is the point. Most of them were appropriated from Rome actually. David did not claim to be Messiah that i am aware of, the Caesars did. We are just taught differently is all i guess

 

[101G]

ezackly not, and that is the point. Most of them were appropriated from Rome actually. David did not claim to be Messiah that i am aware of, the Caesars did. We are just taught differently is all i guess

Jesus' Title(s) were revealed ON Earth;
The Lord, The Son of God, The Son of Man, The Lamb of God, The Word of God, The Truth, etc.
these are not the Lord Jesus titles? yes or no.

you said "David did not claim to be Messiah that i am aware of" where is that written at?

PICJAG

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus' Title(s) were revealed ON Earth;
The Lord, The Son of God, The Son of Man, The Lamb of God, The Word of God, The Truth, etc.
these are not the Lord Jesus titles? yes or no.

no, those are English xlations of Greek or Aramaic or Hebrew concepts, and Lords have vassals and serfs that bow and scrape and do their bidding without question, etc. "Lord" is a hideous way to characterize God, imo. The rest i dont have too many probs with--not that i am any arbiter of those--but @"messiah, savior," even "Jehovah" i got issues. "YHWH" even, much better transliterated "AEOU" or similar, https://www.google.com/search?q=god...69i57j35i39.6941j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

you said "David did not claim to be Messiah that i am aware of" where is that written at?

where would you expect my obv and clearly qualified statements to be written "at," G?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Good points, but one thing. is not all those titles are of the one person Jesus? the Lamb of God, is not this Jesus? but is not Jesus the Spirit? where did the Lamb of God come from? let's see, John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me". well if he came from God he is God himself. scripture, Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. (this is not the the Lamb of God, which had blood, but this is the LAMB, without blood, the Holy Ghost, who is sent into the world, to reprove it of sin)
Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne".

now .... "titles". the Lamb who stood as it had been slain, this is the resurrected JESUS?. notice he is the Lamb and not the Lamb of God, this is God himself. this is the ROOT, and not the Offspringwho is standing, which Jesus is both.

so the One who stand is the one who sits on the throne, the true diversified God, his plurality is clearly shown.

oh yes, names and titles. for he who sits on the throne in Chapter 4 & 5 is Jesus, the Son of God. and he that stand, or is resurrected is JESUS, the son of man ... (smile). the same one Person.

Now there's something one can chew on.

PICJAG.

Yeah! GOD was in Christ: To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2 Corinthians 5:19

2 Corinthians 5:19 that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men's trespasses against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

 

[101G]

no, those are English xlations of Greek or Aramaic or Hebrew concepts, and Lords have vassals and serfs that bow and scrape and do their bidding without question, etc. "Lord" is a hideous way to characterize God, imo. The rest i dont have too many probs with--not that i am any arbiter of those--but @"messiah, savior," even "Jehovah" i got issues. "YHWH" even, much better transliterated "AEOU" or similar, https://www.google.com/search?q=god...69i57j35i39.6941j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
where would you expect my obv and clearly qualified statements to be written "at," G?

that's no excuse, the whole English bible is a translation or a transliteration of Aramaic or Hebrew concepts, so you cannot use that excuse. I have have no problem with any of the titles.

and as for "Lord" it correctly identify God as the diversity of himself in flesh, and LORD without flesh. it's just men don't understand the scriptures.

see, when people say or that's not a good translation or this is better. that's is the first step in trying to get a good translation removed. but that ain't working either.

where would you expect my obv and clearly qualified statements to be written "at," G?

yes, YOUR obv but clearly qualified?, maybe in your own opinion. was we not speaking of the Lord Jesus, and not Caesars, or david?

true, neither was the Christ or the Messiah, but Jesus did declear that he is the Messiah, which is clearly qualified and not ... my opinion, but the scriptures.

PICJAG.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Jesus' Title(s) were revealed ON Earth;
The Lord, The Son of God, The Son of Man, The Lamb of God, The Word of God, The Truth, etc.
these are not the Lord Jesus titles? yes or no.

you said "David did not claim to be Messiah that i am aware of" where is that written at?

PICJAG

yes, also in other scriptures: Psalm 40:7 Then I said, "Here I am, I have come--it is written about me in the scroll:

1 Timothy 3:16

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

 

[101G]

yes, also in other scriptures: Psalm 40:7 Then I said, "Here I am, I have come--it is written about me in the scroll:

on point.

PICJAG.

 

[Nancy]

i dislike this personally bc Understand I AM

ok.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

on point.

PICJAG.

Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ-- this Jesus whom you crucified."

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!"

 

[Taken]

Good points, but one thing. is not all those titles are of the one person Jesus? the Lamb of God, is not this Jesus? but is not Jesus the Spirit? where did the Lamb of God come from? let's see, John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me". well if he came from God he is God himself. scripture, Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. (this is not the the Lamb of God, which had blood, but this is the LAMB, without blood, the Holy Ghost, who is sent into the world, to reprove it of sin)
Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne".

now .... "titles". the Lamb who stood as it had been slain, this is the resurrected JESUS?. notice he is the Lamb and not the Lamb of God, this is God himself. this is the ROOT, and not the Offspringwho is standing, which Jesus is both.

so the One who stand is the one who sits on the throne, the true diversified God, his plurality is clearly shown.

oh yes, names and titles. for he who sits on the throne in Chapter 4 & 5 is Jesus, the Son of God. and he that stand, or is resurrected is JESUS, the son of man ... (smile). the same one Person.

Now there's something one can chew on.

PICJAG.

The "Titles" / "Names" regarding ONE individual....ALSO needs to be put in Context.

We are at an Advantage and Disadvantage.

We have the WHOLE Text to Read, Study, and Put in "CONtext" of which titles and names associate to WHOM.

Our Disadvantage IS oddly our Advantage.
We have all the titles and names, that is in regard to ONE individual...

Which becomes Difficult, when Learning History and Beginning of man...
Meaning...We have to CONSIDER, the perspective of the Historical man, and the LIMITS of His Knowledge to Understand as he did, AND How God and his Relationship began, and the point to which it evolved, and How they were Saved....When they had NOT the Knowledge and Understanding revealed to men In latter days.

Jesus gives Peter an Interest bit of Information...

Jesus is asking the Disciples WHO "THEY" think He is, and WHO "OTHERS" think He is.

Finally Peter pipes up and says;
You are the CHRIST, the Son of God.

And Jesus says; Flesh and Blood did not reveal that to you....but rather He who revealed that UNDERSTANDING TO you, is God Himself.

Jesus THEN reveals "THAT" is what Jesus' Church WILL be BUILT ON....WHAT?

That Jesus IS h
The Christ, the Son of God...
AND Men Who Receive the Understanding of THAT knowledge, WILL RECEIVE IT FROM God, NOT flesh and blood.

Jesus further Commented "THAT" ---> (Having received Understanding FROM God, that Jesus IS the Christ and the Son of God) is the (the foundation) OF HIS CHURCH....

He is the Christ, He is the Son of God, and the Understanding thereof IS given a MAN BY God Himself.

Today, We have Written Word, and Men who believe and are not sure will claim Jesus is Christ, the Son of the Living God? Why?
Because they READ it in the Written Word.

For a man TO Trust to BELIEVE that IS TRUE, THAT Understanding Comes from God.

As a Matter of Fact...ALL Scripture IS KNOWLEDGE....and the Understanding (according to Gods Understanding) Always Comes From God.

Jesus remarked to this point...
Luke 24
[45] Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

And to our Disadvantage....People ARE STILL trying to get their Understanding of Scriptures ...FROM "flesh and blood".

And One of my Main disagreements with Catholics, is them declaring PETER is the ROCK and Foundation of Christ's Church.

God IS the ROCK, Jesus is the Cornerstone, {Jesus, The First to LAY DOWN His Blood, }
And thereafter MEN become the STONES, (little rocks) one by one, one upon another, that is From the Disciples Day, to this, the Building of Christ's Church, BY MEN WHO Lay down their Blood for thee Lord God.

AND FYI...Peter, the chosen disciples, and other followers, ALL gathered together In agreement and Confession to Lay down their Blood and received the Seed of the Holy Spirit that Birthed their NEW spirit. Thus, THEY ALL, were partakers In Building Christ's Chruch.

And the SAME continues to this Day, for every person WHO agrees to lay down their Blood, For the Lord God, and Be Quickened IN spirit, THERE AFTER HAVE A DIRECT LINE TO God...for them to Read Scriptures and the Lord God OPEN their Understanding (According to Gods Understanding....NOT the Understanding of flesh and blood).

And FYI...As the Disciples said...
2 Cor 5
[16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.


Glory to God,
Taken