Gods Standard is...

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Ha yet only @faithfulness liked that, ok
lol. J/k, don't care really.
But you did get more likes for that than i did?
HA!

Well, I didn't so much like the rest of the post, but I liked that!

We can pluck at our eyes and chop at our hands all day long, but that's not what needs to be cut off.

Much love!

 

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That was an honest confession imo, i still get mad at God now and then myself
It makes a great sign, when you can admit it imo
i usually stop right then and sit down or something

Me too (get mad at God that is). But I like the way the NLT reads in Ecclesiates, something like, there's no use arguing with God, the more words you use, the less they mean anyway.

 

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In myself I feel that desire has outraced my faith, but still it is in God's timing. Faith comes from God, so, how do I work out what's not yet been worked in?

But God works in us both to will and to do what pleases Him. So the fact of your desire is the evidence that God IS at work in you. And in that you want God, then this is the life of the new creation living in Jesus. The flesh does not, cannot desire God, only in God's grace.

It is only in faith that we can approach God, believing that He exists, and rewards those who diligently seek Him. When we don't feel that desire, we still trust Him, that He continues to work in us completing us.

We trust in God's promise to perfect us, as we stretch ourselves towards that perfection in our lives.

We want Jesus, He is the Author and Finisher of our faith.

I suppose I can't really separate the two, faith and desire, they seem like twins to me.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

NLT!! MY FAVORITE!

 

[WalterandDebbie]

amen, and who is Israel? eek

Israel is God's Chosen through His covenant with Abraham and passed down to His grandson, Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. The 12 tribes of Jacob are the Israelites. There was no such thing as a Jew until some 1200 years later.

The Church, Physical, and Spiritual Galatians 6:1-18 esp. vs 16

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ-- this Jesus whom you crucified."

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!"

Amen

 

[WalterandDebbie]

And without controversy great is the mystery? What does that even mean, disregarding the starting a sentence with And for a sec? Iow what did The Guy who decided to xlate that that way Read from the original which you have access to, as opposed to how you might interpret the passage right now, after a few minutes study? After a few days reflection? Only one way to find out i guess huh? And many ways to find that out!

1 Timothy 3:16 Lexicon: By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.
i mean believed on in the world? Maybe don't even bother Lex yet, just um deconstruct what you already got even?
1 Timothy 3:16 Interlinear: and, confessedly, great is the secret of piety -- God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!
So imo we got a like a 3in1 goin on here, a 3for1 if you will, and you get to pick, right, no one is Lording it over you at all unless you let them, insert them between you and Word, imo ok, which you aren't going to get to Reading anyway imo but you can sure get closer maybe, if you want to. When

The scripture that I used speaks for itself.

 

[amadeus]

ha mine too. She is a saint imo. Terrible taste in men imo, but hey i have the ezack same taste in women too. HA!

I always loved my mother and was never able to criticize her at all while she lived. She really hated my wife during the early years of our marriage, but before she died, she and my wife were best friends.

that is actually my dad, squirrels. They'd come sit in his lap, within a few months of our arrival. Then they would even come sit in anyone's lap that had nuts, and knew the Squirrel Protocol
i guess it's pretty easy, just takes a little patience

Patience and the right spirit or Spirit!

 

[amadeus]

I wish i could agree more, but he mostly did not share his gift, squirrel-wise, certainly not when i was a kid, and the becoming on again Himself was only accomplished by force, strokes, at the very end, still managing to get waited on hand and foot. Now there was a lord lol.

To this day the one friend of mine who did so well with squirrels only really had one friend amongst many acquaintances. That was/is me. My wife only tolerates the man when he comes to visit because she knows that in the flesh I really don't have any other friends... other than her. People on this forum excepted because I've never met any of them any place but on this forum.

This friend of mine a non-Catholic Mexican Christian had a strange relationship with his father similar to what you have described with yours. He tells me stories of his youth in Mexico where he and siblings were often bullied or otherwise mistreated because they were Not Catholic in a very "Catholic" world.

I quit even making appointments in my early teens tbh. No one us three survivors--apt term--have even invoked his name once, or shared a single memory since his um literal death, over two years ago? Is that normal? I have no idea, doesn't seem right tho

I think the only person my friend ever speaks with about his father is me. My wife I believe hopes the man [my Mexican friend] will never show up on our doorstep again... but probably he will.

Is it normal not to speak about your natural father ever as in your case? My relationship with my own father was very different than that so I cannot personally relate to it. I loved both of the natural parents and they loved me, but neither one of them [living 1500 miles apart at all times in my memory] ever unnecessarily mentioned the other one to me. My wife says that my mother never stopped loving my father even though she [my mother] was without doubt the instigator of their divorce.

 

[amadeus]

Here's a thought . . . God knew me when He wrote His Book. He wrote His Book to me. And the rest of us of course. But to me!

God knew exactly how I'd read it, how I'd go about understanding it, all that. And He Freely gives the Holy Spirit, and Freely gives wisdom, to anyone who asks. All He asks is that when we ask, we believe that we receive.

Much love!

Thanks for sharing this insight. My friend @bbyrd009 provoked me to read it first hand when I read his response to it down the way a bit. I especially liked the sentence I changed to blue font.

 

[marks]

Thanks for sharing this insight. My friend @bbyrd009 provoked me to read it first hand when I read his response to it down the way a bit. I especially liked the sentence I changed to blue font.

It was a line in a song, "I could not forget every word you said, you always knew me".

Much love!

 

[bbyrd009]

So if God sees everything from the beginning to the end...then, well I suppose it means exactly that?

hopefully exactly that, yes

 

[amadeus]

Nancy said:
"In other words, what we are now living (humans) has already happened in Gods view"

Isaiah 46:10
"I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'

Isaiah 41:4
Who has performed this and carried it out, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD--the first and the last--I am He."

So if God sees everything from the beginning to the end...then, well I suppose it means exactly that?
And, there is always Psalm 39... Where would we go? ♥
39:16 "you saw my body as it was formed.
All the days planned for me were written in your book before I was one day old."

Your reference should be Psalm 139:16. There is no Psalm 39:16

 

[Nancy]

Your reference should be Psalm 139:16. There is no Psalm 39:16

Oops. Thanks for correcting that ♥

 

[bbyrd009]

God is outside of time. We are not. Right?

well, imo that is not really very accurate, Understand I AM gives a diff perspective maybe. Little children are "outside of time" too see, only we want God to be following our other perspective there right, only we do not have a very good grasp of what time even is i guess.

Einstein may have helped, but he also maybe hurt, as now we have more "facts" about the nature of time. But i agree there are prolly no clocks in heaven, sure. But to then say that God is not herenow and aware of the present moment is imo taking that too far. What does "God is outside of time" mean to you ezackly?

We being humans-broken at that, are not IRL, living in eternity where "time" does not exist?

see a diifferent perception of time is now being afforded the dead, and while i can accept your use of Eternity there as meaning "forever," eternity is also a time; "an eternity," which has an end. So iow "Eternity=forever" fine, but that may not matter in the least to you and your sons will be here with me

Do you not believe that God is timeless?

do you not believe that There is only One Immortal?

 

[bbyrd009]

Only if it is taken out of context, IMHO. I was trying to get across that ONLY God knows the end from the beginning.

i suspect that that is being taken too literally wadr

In God's view, it is already a done deal?

in mom's view, is it already a done deal, with one of her kids? An arg can certainly be made from Scripture that "everything has already happened" or whatever, but this sure strikes me as an abdication of responsibility; another way to say "i neednt bother examining myself, or trying to be a more consciously acting person. God loves Homers too?

How far is it to "i dont need to pick up my cross and follow, i dont need to change my mind, i dont need to pay any attention to what Preach says during my baptism ritual, just say the magic spell and "believe" and viola!

 

[bbyrd009]

I make known the end from the beginning

wait i thought God was "outside of time?"
"end" and "beginning" imply Time, yes?

 

[Nancy]

well, imo that is not really very accurate, Understand I AM gives a diff perspective maybe. Little children are "outside of time" too see, only we want God to be following our other perspective there right, only we do not have a very good grasp of what time even is i guess.

Einstein may have helped, but he also maybe hurt, as now we have more "facts" about the nature of time. But i agree there are prolly no clocks in heaven, sure. But to then say that God is not herenow and aware of the present moment is imo taking that too far. What does "God is outside of time" mean to you ezackly?

see a diifferent perception of time is now being afforded the dead, and while i can accept your use of Eternity there as meaning "forever," eternity is also a time; "an eternity," which has an end. So iow "Eternity=forever" fine, but that may not matter in the least to you and your sons will be here with me

do you not believe that There is only One Immortal?

"But to then say that God is not herenow and aware of the present moment is imo taking that too far. <--- I don't recall saying that at all!, of course He is here now, and in this present moment. He is not within the "time continuum" He has always been, He will always be. He is not subject to "time" like us. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1... He created space and matter and you can't have those without "time" yes?
What does "God is outside of time" mean to you ezackly?" To me it means he does not go to bed when the sun goes down (there is no need for the sun or moon in Heaven) and, Didn't He create these things so we could learn the "times" and seasons? He does not have a watch.

 

[bbyrd009]

Do you not believe that He (not US!) sees everything that has and will happen? "The end from the beginning...of time.

That "God" knows and sees does not imo equate to "it doesnt really exist" nor "it has all somehow happened already, in God's mind prolly, and we are just all figments of His imagination, and dont really exist like we perceive."

Now is there a sense in which our material essence is not really as solid or real as we imagine? sure, prolly...but i am mostly led to believe this discussion is all a way of denying that we are elohim, too, wadr, and i mean right now, i mean hitler too, obv we are the "gods" of earth, we "make" the world, etc

 

[Nancy]

i suspect that that is being taken too literally wadr
in mom's view, is it already a done deal, with one of her kids? An arg can certainly be made from Scripture that "everything has already happened" or whatever, but this sure strikes me as an abdication of responsibility; another way to say "i neednt bother examining myself, or trying to be a more consciously acting person. God loves Homers too?

How far is it to "i dont need to pick up my cross and follow, i dont need to change my mind, i dont need to pay any attention to what Preach says during my baptism ritual, just say the magic spell and "believe" and viola!

Totally lost me here Mark. How did this come to picking up my own cross?? There is NO magic spell! Ritual is just that, ritual and I do NOT stand on ceremony, at least IMHO I do not.
I examine myself daily! And I am God and Christ conscience ALL the time.
"in mom's view, is it already a done deal"
Well, your mom sure isn't God...