Is Hell worse for Some?

[justbyfaith]

@Taken,

I seem to recall that at one point you denied to us that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (correct me if I'm wrong).

As such, I do not respond to you very often as for the most part you talk to people who are also blind to the truth and I consider that the Lord tells me to let the blind be leaders of the blind.

 

[marks]

Do you think SOMETHING WITHOUT LIFE IN IT, is "Conscious" and "SUFFERING" ?

In that Jesus taught "everlasting torment", then there must be something to it.

Much love!

 

[charity]

As a matter of fact it is. Your opinion is that it isn't; and therefore you have also rejected the clear teaching of the Holy Spirit. (Keep studying, if you are honest with the scriptures I think you may find it eventually).



I think that in your study, you may have missed some verses that speak on the subject. For in some such verses, hell is referred to as "the furnace of fire" and one in particular does not mention any of the words that you speak of (Revelation 14:9-11); perhaps even others also (such as Revelation 20:10).

Therefore I suggest that you have not done a comprehensive study as you think you have.

Hello @justbyfaith,

'And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;
and death and hell (hades) delivered up the dead which were in them:
and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell (hades) were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.'
(Revelation 20:13-14)

* The description of punishment being meted out in Revelation 14:9-11 has nothing to do with hell (and eternal conscious punishment) , which is the subject you have been discussing.

* Death and hell are cast into the lake of fire as described in the verses above, so the lake of fire itself is not a description of hell. Hell is the grave, or the place of the dead when a translation of Sheol, Hades or Tartaroo, but of the fires of end time judgement when a translation of Gehenna (which is still, 'the place of the dead' - but for whom there is no burial, only destruction by fire).

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Taken]

As a matter of fact it is. Your opinion is that it isn't; and therefore you have also rejected the clear teaching of the Holy Spirit. (Keep studying, if you are honest with the scriptures I think you may find it eventually).



I think that in your study, you may have missed some verses that speak on the subject. For in some such verses, hell is referred to as "the furnace of fire" and one in particular does not mention any of the words that you speak of (Revelation 14:9-11); perhaps even others also (such as Revelation 20:10).

Therefore I suggest that you have not done a comprehensive study as you think you have.

Your opinion therefore.... LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

@Taken,

I seem to recall that at one point you denied to us that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (correct me if I'm wrong).

As such, I do not respond to you very often as for the most part you talk to people who are also blind to the truth and I consider that the Lord tells me to let the blind be leaders of the blind.

Yep, you are wrong. I said no such thing.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[justbyfaith]

Hello @justbyfaith,

'And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;
and death and hell (hades) delivered up the dead which were in them:
and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell (hades) were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.'
(Revelation 20:13-14)

* The description of punishment being meted out in Revelation 14:9-11 has nothing to do with hell (and eternal conscious punishment) , which is the subject you have been discussing.

* Death and hell are cast into the lake of fire as described in the verses above, so the lake of fire itself is not a description of hell. Hell is the grave, or the place of the dead when a translation of Sheol, Hades or Tartaroo, but of the fires of end time judgement when a translation of Gehenna (which is still, 'the place of the dead' - but for whom there is no burial, only destruction by fire).

In Christ Jesus
Chris

The nature of what it means to be in the lake of fire is mentioned in Revelation 20:10.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yep, you are wrong. I said no such thing.

Glory to God,
Taken

Is Jesus human?

 

[Taken]

In that Jesus taught "everlasting torment", then there must be something to it.

Much love!

Hi ~
Presently, every living person, can at ANY moment SEEK God and FIND Him.

A living soul in hell, in torments;

1) Is fully aware of his separation from God.
2) Is fully aware of his separation from;
Everything God Created and Made that is Pleasent, Pleasing, Comforting, Enjoyable.

A Second Death, surpasses the First Death.
A First Death is Temporary.
All Bodies shall be risen up (the Converted, also the UnConverted)...
Their Living Souls shall enter their bodies, (be their souls saved, or unsaved)...
Their Blood is Gone (per the first Death), however a Body with a Living Soul in it, can rise up.
Every man, (Converted or UnConverted) is subject to Stand IN Judgement, before the Judge.
After Judgement is the Sentencing.
A Converted soul, A Quickened spirit, remains forever in a Glorified Body.
An Unconverted man, Unsaved soul, No Glorified body, No quickened spirit...SHALL be tormented by the Second Death forever and ever Being Separated from God.

Hell is suffering of torments that the living soul emotionally feels, VIA consconcious
(Not ouchie oochie they are burning in fire, that the body feels VIA Nerves)
But rather VIA senses...thirsty, sad, smelling stench, darkness, fear, anger, hearing the constant crying, etc.

The Second Death, is Permanent. There is no, um, MAYBE God will come to the Rescue.

God IS LIFE.
God imparts Life, and God takes Away Life.
God gave the Body BLOOD. Blood is the Life of the Body. And God Requires the Blood of Every Body. That fulfills the requirement of every man experiencing the appointment unto man to DIE Once.

Life in every Living mans Body, thus is Blood.
However, NO Body, can be Quickened to Living, Until the Body has a Living Soul IN it.

All souls belong to God. Life IN the Soul, is Gods Breath. Life that is Gods Returns to God.

So WHEN an unsaved (soul), and Bloodless Body, stands in Judgement, and the Evidence (In Gods Book of Life), does not reveal that individuals name...the Life of the Soul, shall return to God, which leaves the Body and Soul of the man. And that is what shall experience the Second Death.
(Remember, the spirit was never quickened.)

Scripture says, to fear Him who can DESTROY both BODY and SOUL in Hell.

When such Body and Soul is Destroyed, it is Destroyed BY FIRE. (As we know WATER, is a method for Cleansing, and FIRE is a method of purification) The Body and Soul Becomes but specks of Ash, And FOREVER, it is without LIFE and WITHOUT God. It simply burns forever and ever.

I believe KNOWING the Sentence of the burning forever and ever and WITHOUT God, is the TORMENT of the Second Death for a human.

I believe something ABSENT of LIFE, knows nothing, feels nothing.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Is Jesus human?

No. Humans come from the dust of the Earth.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[justbyfaith]

No. Humans come from the dust of the Earth.

Glory to God,
Taken

From my perspective, your denying that Jesus is human is the same as denying that He is come in the flesh.

Do you believe in the virgin birth? And that Mary was human?

 

[Taken]

From my perspective, your denying that Jesus is human is the same as denying that He is come in the flesh.

From my perspective, you saying Jesus IS A HUMAN, is the same as denying He is Spirit and without Beginning.

Jesus came in the LIKENESS "AS" a human man, IN a BODY Prepared of God.

I believe human men WHO become Converted;
Body, soul and spirit, BECOME IN Gods LIKENESS.

Do you believe a Human man who is Converted and MADE in Gods Likeness is God?

Do you believe in the virgin birth?

I believe Mary was a Virgin, Her womb was Virgin, without defilement of a human mans seed.

I believe BY the Power of God, Gods Seed was imparted in Mary's Virgin Womb, and according to the law of nature, 9 months later, Jesus came forth out of Mary's Womb.

And that Mary was human?

Yes, Mary was a flesh and blood human.

And No, there was no seed of Mary that had anything to do with God Preparing a Body For Jesus.

Jesus had been Appearing to men for centuries and called a Man and called an Angel. Jesus is Spirit, and can Appear in any fashion He desires.

It was in the Latter days, God proclaimed He would Appear as Gods Son, that God in Heaven would be A Father to Him, and He would be to God in Heaven, A Son, and call His Name Jesus.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Hello, dear person, (@justbyfaith)

With love in my heart, I tell you that it is because I have studied the subject in depth. Looking up every verse in Scripture where the word 'Hell' is mentioned, considering the context in which it comes, in the light of the original meaning of the middle English word Hell (ie., 'to hide away'), and without the influence of Greek philosophy and other factors that influence our understanding of it traditionally.

* I looked up Sheol, Hades, Gehenna and Tartaroo, which are so translated, and looked at all the ways in which those words are used in Scripture, and the various ways they were translated. Going through each verse with a tooth-comb.

* I remember doing it so clearly, because my elder sister and I did it by telephone. I found the list of verses in Strong's concordance, and we both looked up each verse together, she in her home and I in mine, over several days. As we studied them and considered their context, we set aside for further thought those verses which needed greater consideration until the end (e.g., Luke 16:19-31), when we took time to come to an understanding of them in the light of all that we had learned to date.

* That is why I am so confident about these things. and praise God for setting me free from the trappings of tradition. I can't recommend that process too much, for it is illuminating, and free from man's intervention. Then you can know without fear of man's condemnation, that one know the truth as taught by Scripture alone.

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Note:- (Strong's numbers)
H7592 = Sheol (translated - Grave, hell and pit)
G1067 = Gehenna (translated - Hell)
G86 = Hades (translated - grave, hell)
G5020 = Tartaroo (hell)

* Remembering that the only sure means of discovering the meaning of any word used in Scripture (by the Author), is by comparing Scripture with Scripture, to see how the Holy Spirit uses it: for concordant definitions are the work of man and are therefore fallible, and in this case influenced by tradition.

Eternal damnation will be a torment for those there that will be beyond comprehension, and will last for eternity, your phone calls and superficial word study "theology" aside.

 

[charity]

Eternal damnation will be a torment for those there that will be beyond comprehension, and will last for eternity, your phone calls and superficial word study "theology" aside.

Hello @Preacher4Truth,

Thank you for your response.

May the Lord give grace and love, and may His perfect will be done in each one of us, for His name and glory's sake.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Harvest 1874]

Hello @Preacher4Truth,

Thank you for your response.

May the give grace and love, and may His perfect will be done in each one of us, for His name and glory's sake.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Stay the course my sister, remember our Lord's words to fact that the darkness hates the light, i.e. error hates the truth because it exposes it for what it is. We are but lights upon a hill and are to let our lights shine out into the darkness even though we know the darkness does not appreciate it (John 1:5).

Be thankful the Lord has called you out of darkness (specifically this darkness) into his marvelous light.

May the Lord continue to shine his light upon you.

 

[justbyfaith]

And No, there was no seed of Mary that had anything to do with God Preparing a Body For Jesus.

Gen 3:15, And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The above scripture is called by theologians the proto-evangelion of scripture; it was the first mention of a promise of Messiah as it was given to Adam and Eve.

 

[justbyfaith]

Stay the course my sister, remember our Lord's words to fact that the darkness hates the light, i.e. error hates the truth because it exposes it for what it is. We are but lights upon a hill and are to let our lights shine out into the darkness even though we know the darkness does not appreciate it (John 1:5).

Be thankful the Lord has called you out of darkness (specifically this darkness) into his marvelous light.

May the Lord continue to shine his light upon you.

Thus the fear of the LORD will be diminished in the hearts of many, because of such doctrines as are purported by those who are in agreement with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

 

[Harvest 1874]

Thus the fear of the LORD will be diminished in the hearts of many, because of such doctrines as are purported by those who are in agreement with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

God does not draw men out of fear, he draws them out of love. No one could honestly love someone whom they feared. They may fringe love, but it would not be true love, and He who reads the heart would see right through it.

Know this for a fact that all those who believe in this God-dishonoring and Blasphemous doctrine out of ignorance will be forgiven, but those who both ascribe it to the Lord and propagate it will have to give an account for this in future.

Thus even as the prophet says many will awake from the dust of the earth to great shame and age-lasting contempt not only for how they blasphemed the Lord's good name and character with this "doctrine of demons", but likewise for how they spoke evil of those who opposed such teachings and attempted to set the record straight.

 

[justbyfaith]

God does not draw men out of fear, he draws them out of love.

Love is indeed a major aspect of how God motivates those who are truly His.

However, are you not forgetting some of the most basic things?

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge, according to Proverbs.

And in Job 28:28, the fear of the LORD is wisdom.

Therefore, His fear has a definite place in the perspective that we ought to have as born again believers.

 

[justbyfaith]

Thus even as the prophet says many will awake from the dust of the earth to great shame and age-lasting contempt

Notice how you had to alter the wording of scripture there in order to make it fit your doctrine.

It is the devil's common trick to change the wording of scripture and then say that it is the way that the original Greek or Hebrew rendered it.

As if to say that the people who translated the kjv were devoid of the fear of the LORD and deliberately translated it incorrectly. And also translated it without putting much prayer into the endeavor, so that the LORD would make it what it is supposed to be.

 

[Harvest 1874]

Love is indeed a major aspect of how God motivates those who are truly His.

However, are you not forgetting some of the most basic things?

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge, according to Proverbs.

And in Job 28:28, the fear of the LORD is wisdom.

Therefore, His fear has a definite place in the perspective that we ought to have as born again believers.

The word "fear" as used in these texts is not associated with, an emotional response, as in fear of danger, pain or judgment, the condition of being fearful or afraid, no it has to do with reverence, respect, veneration.

“Reverence God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come...”

“The reverence of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom…”

“Men of Israel, and you who reverence God..”