The Torah Has Not Been Abolished

[Preacher4Truth]

First, this thread, imho, shouldn't be in the Christian Theology Forum. It is not orthodox Christianity and is, in fact, a false gospel. It is the teaching of a neo-Judaizer who is the author of the thread.

We are saved by grace. Thankfully the answer to this being placed under the curse of the law was discussed and the conclusion was made in Acts 15:6-21. There are no instructions to place Gentiles under the law that none were able to bear, they too are saved by grace. This doesn't, as our newest yet returning heretic suggests means living in lawlessness or being a worker of iniquity. It doesn't mean this at all.

But, anyhow, carry on.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Thank you JBF! Unfortunately "CG" has not answered yet!
I hope that he can

How many laws did Moses write? Over 600
Can you imagine how strict life was back then? I know some of it deals with how to cook your food, what to wear, the adherence to the Jewish holidays etc...but still it is a lot.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

How many laws did Moses write? Over 600
Can you imagine how strict life was back then? I know some of it deals with how to cook your food, what to wear, the adherence to the Jewish holidays etc...but still it is a lot.

Did you type that wearing your tallit? If not, you broke the law!

 

[Heart2Soul]

...oh no...what is my punishment? Can I repent and be forgiven?

 

[aspen]

The airflow of God.....

Sigh

 

[Preacher4Truth]

...oh no...what is my punishment? Can I repent and be forgiven?

Sackcloth and ashes for ya!

 

[Heart2Soul]

Sackcloth and ashes for ya!

No lashes across the back with a whip? Or even worse to be stoned to death? Oh tytytyty...

 

[prism]

Do you not understand that the airflow of God is sent because of the sacrifice of the Messiah? If the Messiah had not been sacrificed, the airflow of God would not have been sent to free a man from sin based on the new covenant of the Messiah that was established by his death, which perfects a man through his blood, which the blood of animals was not able to do before that was the basis of the old covenant. In trying to find any way to contradict what I am saying, you show yourself to lack understanding. In all, if you still sin you are still under Torah, but if you have been freed from sin and caused to no longer sin, then you are no longer under the Torah of sin and death. Yet even then, when you do become freed from sin, you still end up obeying Torah. The Torah is never discarded, whether you are under Torah or under airflow.

No, I see you automatically assumed I am trying to find a way to contradict what you are saying, and then insult my understanding. I'm sorry, I can't communicate with overly defensive souls.
Have a nice life.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

No lashes across the back with a whip? Or even worse to be stoned to death? Oh tytytyty...

You're welcome, LOL!

 

[justbyfaith]

Mocking him is only going to feed the flame.

 

[101G]

Mocking him is only going to feed the flame.

Luke 12:49

PICJAG.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Hmmmm, mocking false teachers is actually a biblical practice. Note 1 Kings 18:20-40. There are more passages.

 

[justbyfaith]

Hmmmm, mocking false teachers is actually a biblical practice. Note 1 Kings 18:20-40. There are more passages.

Interesting. Lay them on us.

According to James, Elijah was a man of like passions as we are; so it may be that he was "in the flesh" in that instance. I think that he very likely was; because mocking is a practice that is most often done by scoffers.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Interesting. Lay them on us.

According to James, Elijah was a man of like passions as we are; so it may be that he was "in the flesh" in that instance. I think that he very likely was; because mocking is a practice that is most often done by scoffers.

You're assuming things onto the text of Scripture. You don't use context properly and typically ignore it altogether. The context there has not one thing to do with being "in the flesh." It means he also was subject to suffering, hunger, trials &c and prayer is the answer to such things, dependence upon God. The reference is to praying for rain for relief, it didn't say a thing about him and the prophets of Baal, therefore you've made another blunder.

You've misunderstood and misused the Scripture and you've arrived at false assertions, presumptions and erroneous conjecture.

 

[Earburner]

...oh no...what is my punishment? Can I repent and be forgiven?

(A hypothetical on going conversation with a stranger):
Yes! But first, you must find an animal sacrifice, without blemish, take it to Jerusalem and .....oops!
Oh no!!.... No Temple!!
Oh well, that's another year of life, of many years, in which you DON'T have forgiveness from God.
.
So then, what's this I hear about Jesus, being the Messiah, The Lamb of God, who TAKES AWAY the sin of the world?
Hmmm...God offered a Sacrifice?? Who???
Do you really mean, that God Himself...offered a Sacrifice... for US, everyone?
Yes! His only begotten Son!
.
What is that all about anyways?
Well, it goes like this: God's eternal Son came down from Heaven, became flesh, but they killed Him. Ironic as it may seem, we can truly Thank God...
literally!
For without His Sacrifice of His Son Jesus, no one could be saved!
You can Believe it and Be SAVED, or leave it, and go find yourself a temple in Jerusalem, but good luck with that! It ain't going to happen!!

From what I read in the bible, through Jesus ONLY, God the Father is making Temples out of all those that believe in his Son, and get this... Both God the Father and the Son then come and make their dwelling place with THEM, forever... Yes it's true!
But ONLY in those who believe in His Son, the Messiah and the only Savior, The Lord Jesus Christ!

 

[justbyfaith]

You're assuming things onto the text of Scripture. You don't use context properly and typically ignore it altogether. The context there has not one thing to do with being "in the flesh." It means he also was subject to suffering, hunger, trials &c and prayer is the answer to such things, dependence upon God. The reference is to praying for rain for relief, it didn't say a thing about him and the prophets of Baal, therefore you've made another blunder.

You've misunderstood and misused the Scripture and you've arrived at false assertions, presumptions and erroneous conjecture.

You are interpreting scripture in such a way as to self-justify your sin;

In your interpretation the scoffer is godly: however it is only common sense to realize that those who scoff, do so because their hearts are not right concerning the righteous doctrine being presented to them.

Which is not to say that the doctrine of @cgneustar is righteous; only that you give him the illusion of being righteous in that you scoff against what he is saying to you.

 

[justbyfaith]

You can Believe it and Be SAVED, or leave it, and go find yourself a temple in Jerusalem, but good luck with that! It ain't going to happen!!

It is very likely that the Jews will succeed at rebuilding their temple.

It is prophesied in Ezekiel that a meteor shower will one day hit the wailing wall.

 

[justbyfaith]

You're assuming things onto the text of Scripture.

You are also assuming things onto the text of scripture. For you assume that Elijah was righteous through and through in every one of his actions and behaviour.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

You are interpreting scripture in such a way as to self-justify your sin;

Lol!!!! You're out of control and very immature. No need for your asinine comment above, but having no self control you just had to go there.

I showed you your error, and the true biblical sense of the text you misused.

Time to file you away, I don't have time for anymore of your callow foolishness. Good bye!

 

[justbyfaith]

The context there has not one thing to do with being "in the flesh."

I think that it (James 5:17) does, indeed, speak of the fact that Elijah was a man of like passions as the rest of us. Iow, he was capable of getting "in the flesh."