Is Jesus the only Way?

[marks]

The authority can be found in the written text of the Bible my friend, but without the Holy Spirit to interpret for us, we are like the hearers of the parables of Jesus who understanding His words failed to understand God's message. All of us fail to understand when we quench the Holy Spirit and decide something is wrong because it goes against what we believe... How is it that Holy Spirit is able to teach anyone anything if everyone's ears are closed?

I've realized that you believe the same as Episkopos, is that right?

That without reaching a sinless state we are not saved, or do I misunderstand?

Much love!

 

[marks]

It was spoken by Jesus, not by anyone's Bible. Bibles alone do not speak. If the words written in the Bible speak to you, it is the Holy Spirit in you quickening them. A real atheist with a closed heart will read the same words of scriptures you read and not hear a thing from God.

the Bible . . . is how you know Jesus said it.

Not taking away from what you've written here.

Jesus gave all the words of the Old Testament. When confronting the devil, instead of Jesus simply speaking to the devil with the authority of the Son of God, Jesus replied, "It is written . . ."

I'm asserting God gave us both the Holy Spirit, and a Book, and that the Holy Spirit uses that Book.

I cannot understand why such resistance to the Bible on a Christian forum.

Unbelievable to me!

 

[amadeus]

hmm
hmmhmm. A real believer with one two i guess

I failed to mention that I guess because few believers will recognize or admit the possibility that their own heart is closed even to God when comes to what they believe that they know.

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts" Prov 21:2

Too many people today are the same in their hearts and with their hearts as many of those in the Jewish leadership were when Jesus walked in the land of Israel about 2000 years ago. They presume [and LOL I don't speak without personal experience] that because they have studied the scriptures thoroughly they are right. They won't say it [for who does not believe his own delusion], but in fact not even God will convince them of error because their door is closed and locked. Only they have the key.

Some will read this and say perhaps that it is I who am deluded. There really is a way out of delusion but most people don't want to hear it.

 

[marks]

If the bible was authoritative of itself then the devil's use of it towards Jesus would have been final. No rebuttal would have been possible.

That's just it. Satan misused Scripture. Jesus replied with a correct use.

Much love!

 

[amadeus]

And again, naturally I agree.

And still we must weigh those who proclaim their interpretations to us. Weigh them against what, my friend?

Much love!

Certainly not against our own biases and our own understandings or misunderstandings for who among us readily admits in the moment of confrontation that he is in error? Solomon's words written as he was inspired by God with regard men still apply today. Some or even many people assume or presume that because they have met Jesus and even have received the baptism of the Holy Ghost that they will never be tempted again and nothing will cause them to walk away from Jesus... but they are wrong.

As to your question? Let God do the weighing and ask Him to share with you anything He knows that you need. What can we then proclaim? How about... Give God the Glory! Praise His name!

 

[Episkopos]

The Bible says we are free from sin now. The Bible says we are in Christ now. The Bible says that In Christ, we have every spiritual blessing. The Bible says that we are to reckon the old man dead. God tells us we are dead to sin and alive to God, and instructs us to live that way in the power of the Spirit which we have Right Now. Not in some hoped for future.

The bible says eh? So says you as interpreter. But the actual bible says "we" are dead to sin....meaning that sin has no power over us at all. We can enter into Christ at any time...by faith. But God must accept our sacrifice.

The bible says that God says...You will FIND Me when you seek Me with ALL your hearts.

The word doesn't change and God doesn't change. So you need to change. If you want to find God that is. Otherwise you have your bible that you can interpret as you want...it is your own bible.

His doctrine denies these Scriptures, and teaches that being born again isn't enough, you have you take hold of something more, gain your own righteousness, so you can then be saved.

This is not the Bible I read, but Episkopos has revealed himself that he has little to no regard for the Bible. It's a book of law to him and we are to follow the Spirit.

I have a higher regard for the bible than you...as I actually take it seriously and do as it advises...to ask, seek and knock. Since you have not received anything beyond what you have and don't understand a God who would answer by His presence...then you have not believed the testimony written in the bible yet.

So your argument is backwards. You have not heeded the bible.

You are looking at it from a law perspective....rather than from grace...and power.

He quotes from it, but when someone comes back to him with Scripture, we are no more than dogs to him.

It's in the teaching. It's in the attitude. Does Episkopos ever say good things? Error is generally mixed with truth.

I've obviously said too much already. Do we all say wrong things? Of course I know I do. This is absurd.

You do a LOT of assuming and bad judging...

I am simply posting verses that people don't normally post...because they don't understand them...and the ones that are posted...like being dead in Christ...are twisted to mean the very opposite. Like we are still alive to sin when we enter into the One who knew NO sin.

Completely illogical.

So then you have been indoctrinated into a lie. Even a non-believer could understand what I'm saying in regards to what is written in the bible. The truth is indoctrinated out of people so that their natural carnal lives are made to fit into the bible.

Self-deception is the modern way...and the bible is used to THAT end. You are just one more victim of winds of doctrine.

But you have great pride and refuse to let go of your perceived assurances derived from these winds of doctrine.

If you only had better reading comprehension you would see the dynamic that I am presenting which is from the Lord. But you can't read well.

If you put yourself in the place of a saint or a teacher...then you will be judged HARDER for it...against the perfection in Christ. So then your pride will make you fall....but this is just blah blah blah for you at this point.....

 

[marks]

Imagine when at Antioch and the bible records that the Holy Spirit spoke out..."separate for Me Paul and Barnabas"...would God have permitted some clown to say...Hey! I don't see that anywhere in the bible? Such is the foolishness of some on this forum.

That's not the sort of thing I'm talking about.

Some clown may object when you tell people that unless they want to so much that God actually puts them into Christ that they will not walk in the Spirit, while the whole time the Bible tells us that we have what we need now, that we are in Christ now, that we are in the Spirit now, and instructs us to walk in the Spirit, because we have what we need . . . now.

I'm not talking about narrative passages and some supposed silliness over that. So you can paint that ridiculous, but it's not what is being objected to. I'm talking about didactic passages, and the doctrines they teach.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

That's just it. Satan misused Scripture. Jesus replied with a correct use.

Much love!

I thought you believed in the authority of the bible? I am the one saying that the devil uses it...which you don't understand.

...and you have believed the satanic version...and your blindness is that you think you have the truth.

So how do you get out of the hole you are in...unless you humble yourself?

Are you seated with Christ in heaven? What do you see? What does it look like. I can spot a fraud a mile away...just ask about reality.

So then your pride is your own choice.

 

[marks]

So what the reality is with these "bible followers" (who lie about this)...

I don't bother with liars and hypocrites to argue these points...

So then add to dogs liars and hypocrites.

Say . . . do I recall correctly . . . I seem to remember agreeing to certain rules when I joined this forum. If memory serves, didn't we all agree to not question each other's salvation?

Am I remembering correctly?

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

That's not the sort of thing I'm talking about.

Some clown may object when you tell people that unless they want to so much that God actually puts them into Christ that they will not walk in the Spirit, while the whole time the Bible tells us that we have what we need now, that we are in Christ now, that we are in the Spirit now, and instructs us to walk in the Spirit, because we have what we need . . . now.

I'm not talking about narrative passages and some supposed silliness over that. So you can paint that ridiculous, but it's not what is being objected to. I'm talking about didactic passages, and the doctrines they teach.

Much love!

All false. You are on ignore because you are self-willed and false...even as you try appearing as loving (with your signature) and fooling others ...that you have anything but a vain religious attitude.

 

[amadeus]

How wise was it to say such a thing on a forum where so many are devoid of the Spirit and are looking to exalt a book while grieving the Holy Spirit? What led you to do that? The flesh always looks for a way to disregard the truth.

Sometimes we must wonder if it would better to remain silent in the face of such opposition. But... Jesus moved on along the road, His Road before drinking the cup that was His to drink. How can we do less?

 

[Episkopos]

So then add to dogs liars and hypocrites.

Say . . . do I recall correctly . . . I seem to remember agreeing to certain rules when I joined this forum. If memory serves, didn't we all agree to not question each other's salvation?

Am I remembering correctly?

Much love!

I am quoting what people have said...born again sinners...and bible followers.

I don't talk about salvation...that is your indoctrination. I don't have any indoctrination...but you can't see that so you pin one on me...according to your lack of understanding. You think you are saved by reading a bible. I have said many times that Jesus says that we must endure to the end to be saved. If you had better reading skills you would have read that dozens of times in my posts. You can make up whatever you want to believe. I listen to what is written in the bible.

I am defending the truth of a walk in the Spirit...a resurrection life that you deny and oppose.

Now back to ignore and a little respite from foolishness.

 

[prism]

Even so, but remember that others are also using sometimes the same scripture in the same versions as you or me and coming up at times with different results. The difference is in whether we are leaning on the Lord or on our own abilities to guide us, is it not?

...and whether God in His mercy reveals what His written Word says. But again, it doesn't absolve us from seeking for God's wisdom in His Word.

The testing occurs according the Word as it is written in our hearts. The point of origin for us may seem to be the Bible, but remember the other guy may be claiming the same Bible and even the same verses as his point of origin. Ultimately the correct testing is done by God. If we are not in touch with Him for the test we cannot expect to always receive God's result for our own.

But you said earlier that we see through a glass darkly and now you want to point us back to the obscurity of our hearts? Sorry, I'll go with the purity of God's Word, which also interprets itself, so if our interpretation is faulty it will correct that interpretation in another section, as the Bible is a unified whole.

Indeed, but again without the correct interpretation in us by the Holy Spirit, the very scriptures will be a dead carcass. When it is eaten [eating the flesh of Jesus] and quickened in us [brought to Life by the Holy Spirit] then it can and will accomplish as God has said that it would:

Of course you want to interpret correctly, that is partially the reason we have the Author of Scripture living in us illuminating our understanding to His written Word.
God's Word will accomplish what it sets out to do whether we believe it or not. We are the losers if we ignore It.

Therefore we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it.
(Heb 2:1)

Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come. (1Co 10:11)

Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith—
(Rom 16:25-26)

 

[bbyrd009]

That's referring to when there is agreement, my example was what to do when there isn't...

ah, maybe i missed the example?

If there is a difference of opinion between two believers on spiritual matters, are they to both claim "The Spirit told me", or "The Scripture says". IOW what is the final arbiter between two disagreeing parties? How are we to test the spirits when each claim it is the Holy Spirit?

a rope of three cords is not easily broken
(all three must agree)

 

[marks]

I failed to mention that I guess because few believers will recognize or admit the possibility that their own heart is closed even to God when comes to what they believe that they know.

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts" Prov 21:2

Too many people today are the same in their hearts and with their hearts as many of those in the Jewish leadership were when Jesus walked in the land of Israel about 2000 years ago. They presume [and LOL I don't speak without personal experience] that because they have studied the scriptures thoroughly they are right. They won't say it [for who does not believe his own delusion], but in fact not even God will convince them of error because their door is closed and locked. Only they have the key.

Some will read this and say perhaps that it is I who am deluded. There really is a way out of delusion but most people don't want to hear it.

That way out is in submission to the Word of God. I mean Jesus. I mean the Bible. I do not separate these into two different things, and then denigrate one.

Are you deluded? That's not for me to say.

You claim that people believe they are right because they have studied, and that this is just like the religious leaders of Jesus' time.

Why do you believe you are right?

We can project onto others whatever reasons we want, but that only disparages them.

Yes, the deluded, in their delusions, do not see reality. But what is that between you and I?

Much love!

 

[bbyrd009]

I failed to mention that I guess because few believers will recognize or admit the possibility that their own heart is closed even to God when comes to what they believe that they know.

the heart is deceitful above all things
Satan appears as an angel of light
if you then, being evil
why do you call Me good?

Shouldn't be that hard to figure out lol

 

[bbyrd009]

Some will read this and say perhaps that it is I who am deluded. There really is a way out of delusion but most people don't want to hear it.

if we say we have no sin, we are deceived right

 

[bbyrd009]

Only they have the key.

Yes, half right is always wrong imo

 

[marks]

Certainly not against our own biases and our own understandings or misunderstandings for who among us readily admits in the moment of confrontation that he is in error?

It happens.

Missing Scripture

 

[marks]

Certainly not against our own biases and our own understandings or misunderstandings for who among us readily admits in the moment of confrontation that he is in error? Solomon's words written as he was inspired by God with regard men still apply today. Some or even many people assume or presume that because they have met Jesus and even have received the baptism of the Holy Ghost that they will never be tempted again and nothing will cause them to walk away from Jesus... but they are wrong.

As to your question? Let God do the weighing and ask Him to share with you anything He knows that you need. What can we then proclaim? How about... Give God the Glory! Praise His name!

So rather than look to the Bible, we are to look inside to our thoughts and feelings, and to hope that they truly come from God, without another way to be sure.

And in looking to God's Word, this means I don't give God the glory?

Much love!