MARK 6:3 DID JESUS HAVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS ? *****

[GodsGrace]

Thank you.

I am not sure what you mean by you "I can't, and won't, insist on the rest. I just don't know."

Luke 1:27 makes it clear that Joseph was a descendent of David.

Maybe I am misunderstanding you.....

Mary

No. You're not misunderstanding.
As you will know, there are writings outside the bible that may differ for whatever reason.

I can't get over the fact that I remember Mary was the descendant...

Let me check google..
After dinner.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Hi Jane,

Got it......soooo when I repeat the teachings/practices/beliefs/doctrines/dogmas of the CC that is a good indication that I am not "focusing a lot on God directly"?

But when you repeat YOUR teachings/practices/beliefs/doctrines/dogmas (which you often do on this forum) that ISN'T a good indication that you are not "focusing a lot on God directly"? ;)

Where does Scripture say one is not supposed to talk about their "institutional body" and how correct they are? Am I only supposed to talk about how in-correct they are????

If the CC is not synonymous with Christ's Church then which church is?

Mary

Mary: when you ONLY talk about an institution, you give the impression that you ONLY care about that institution, and not God directly. And yes: you give that impression with screaming loud volumes. And you'll notice that you're the only person on here that ONLY wants to talk about an institution. Even the other Catholics are ok with talking about God and devotion to Him.

You are correct....taking it to the church was the last thing they did because The Church has the final authority. Not you....not me...not you and me together as the final authority....THE CHURCH!!

Again: screaming loud to your devotion and following men.
Other people on here would say that "God has the final authority". Not men.
You're always asking about which men do you follow, looking side-ways to fellow sinners. Never upward towards God.

 

[GodsGrace]

Thank you.

I am not sure what you mean by you "I can't, and won't, insist on the rest. I just don't know."

Luke 1:27 makes it clear that Joseph was a descendent of David.

Maybe I am misunderstanding you.....

Mary

Hi M,
I checked with Professor Google.
It seems that Mary was legally of David's line through marriage to Joseph.

I believe you'll find the link interesting. It's very detailed.

Make sure to read:
Explanation for Divergence
This explains that Luke gave Mary's geneology..
but it's all rather confusing TTYTT.

Genealogy of Jesus - Wikipedia

P.S. This may be what I was remembering....
I'm not sure I understand it all.

 

[Nancy]

Hi M,
I checked with Professor Google.
It seems that Mary was legally of David's line through marriage to Joseph.

I believe you'll find the link interesting. It's very detailed.

Make sure to read:
Explanation for Divergence
This explains that Luke gave Mary's geneology..
but it's all rather confusing TTYTT.

Genealogy of Jesus - Wikipedia

P.S. This may be what I was remembering....
I'm not sure I understand it all.

Yes GG! This is what I had read as well. Along those lines anyhow. Wish I could remember the site I read the whole thing on, and it made sound points!
Ha, just more Word to consume :) I do wish this were taught on more, or even at all!

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes GG! This is what I had read as well. Along those lines anyhow. Wish I could remember the site I read the whole thing on, and it made sound points!
Ha, just more Word to consume :) I do wish this were taught on more, or even at all!

I firmly believe that if theologians are not sure,,,we certainly won't be.
@Marymog is going by scripture,,,but not everything is in scripture.
However this lineage thing seems to be problematic and so I can't concern myself too much with it.

I think a definitive answer does not even exist.

 

[JohnPaul]

I do not think Jesus had siblings.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I do not think Jesus had siblings.

Then you agree with Scripture.

 

[JohnPaul]

Then you agree with Scripture.

Thank you BreadOfLife.

 

[Marymog]

Mary: when you ONLY talk about an institution, you give the impression that you ONLY care about that institution, and not God directly. And yes: you give that impression with screaming loud volumes. And you'll notice that you're the only person on here that ONLY wants to talk about an institution. Even the other Catholics are ok with talking about God and devotion to Him.

Again: screaming loud to your devotion and following men.
Other people on here would say that "God has the final authority". Not men.
You're always asking about which men do you follow, looking side-ways to fellow sinners. Never upward towards God.

Hi Jane,

That "institution" you speak of is the rock upon which Jesus built His Church of which the gates of hell will not prevail against (Matthew 16:18) soooooo I have no problem with leaving the "impression" upon you or any one else that I am shouting from the rooftops that I love the Church that Jesus established. ;)

Why do you only talk about your institution (your interpretation of scripture)? I think The Church is a better interpreter of Scripture than you and won't twist it....2 Peter 3:16

I put my faith in The Church which is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 timothy 3:15) and has the final authority to treat someone as a pagan or tax collector with the authority to bind or loosen (Matthew 18:17-18). Can you show me in Scripture where God gave any individual man that authority? Once you can show me in Scripture that Jesus didn't established an "institution" with authority I will join you and your ilk.

2nd time asking: If the CC is not synonymous with Christ's Church then which church is?

Bible study Mary

 

[Marymog]

Hi M,
I checked with Professor Google.
It seems that Mary was legally of David's line through marriage to Joseph.

I believe you'll find the link interesting. It's very detailed.

Make sure to read:
Explanation for Divergence
This explains that Luke gave Mary's geneology..
but it's all rather confusing TTYTT.

Genealogy of Jesus - Wikipedia

P.S. This may be what I was remembering....
I'm not sure I understand it all.

You made me giggle when I read "I checked with Professor Google." :) Can I steal that line from you?

I agree with you. Mary, by Jewish law, was legally of David's line through marriage to Joseph.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

I firmly believe that if theologians are not sure,,,we certainly won't be.
@Marymog is going by scripture,,,but not everything is in scripture.
However this lineage thing seems to be problematic and so I can't concern myself too much with it.

I think a definitive answer does not even exist.

I agree.....there is not a definitive answer.....:cool:

 

[GodsGrace]

You made me giggle when I read "I checked with Professor Google." :) Can I steal that line from you?

I agree with you. Mary, by Jewish law, was legally of David's line through marriage to Joseph.

Mary

LOL
I guess you could steal it...
it's the Christianly thing to allow you to use it.
Don't forget to send me the royalties!

 

[WalterandDebbie]

She must claim that, because how else can the RCC claim that Mary is the perfect sinless vessel worthy of all that praise given by the RC? she couldn't have had actual sex with her husband Joseph you know....ewwwwww!... that would make her a sinful human & contradict the false doctrine of Immaculate conception and they'd have to toss out all those statues , rosary beads & prayer cards. <idol worship>

What is the Immaculate Conception?

Question: "What is the Immaculate Conception?"

Answer: Many people mistakenly believe that the Immaculate Conception refers to the conception of Jesus Christ. Jesus’ conception was most assuredly immaculate—that is, without the stain of sin—but the Immaculate Conception does not refer to Jesus at all. "The Immaculate Conception is a doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church in regards to Mary, Jesus’ mother. The official statement of the doctrine reads, “The blessed Virgin Mary to have been, from the first instant of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of Almighty God, in view of the merits of Christ Jesus the Savior of Mankind, preserved free from all stain of original sin” (Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus, December 1854). Essentially, the Immaculate Conception is the belief that Mary was protected from original sin, that Mary did not have a sin nature and was, in fact, sinless."
Catholics celebrate the Feast of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary on December 8. Within Eastern Orthodoxy, December 9 is the date of the Feast of the Conception by St. Anne of the Most Holy Theotokos. (Anne is Mary’s mother, according to tradition.) The Eastern Church does not hold to the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, although they do consider Mary “all-holy,” that is, she never committed a sin.

The Immaculate Conception is not a virgin birth. Catholics believe Mary was conceived the normal way, but God made her immune from imputed or inherited sin. For as long as she’s been in existence, Mary has been free of sin. This allowed her to be the “second Eve” to give birth to the “second Adam” (see 1 Corinthians 15:45). Overshadowed by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35), Mary was a pure and holy “ark,” fit to carry the Son of God. As the ark of the Lord in Moses’ day carried the elements of the Old Covenant within it, so Mary carried the Author of the New Covenant within her.

The Roman Catholic Church bases its teaching of the Immaculate Conception on tradition along with a couple passages of Scripture. One is Genesis 3:15, the protoevangelium. There, God speaks to the serpent: “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers.” Catholics point to the fact that the conflict between the serpent and the woman is equal to the conflict between the serpent and the woman’s Offspring, and they explain this by saying the woman (Mary) must be as equally sinless as her Offspring (Christ). The other passage cited by Catholics in support of the Immaculate Conception is Luke 1:28, “The angel went to her and said, ‘Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.’” The Greek word translated “highly favored” can be rendered “favored with grace”; thus, according to Catholic dogma, Mary had a superabundance of grace, rendering her sinless, and that’s why God chose her to bear His Son.

The Roman Catholic Church argues that the Immaculate Conception is necessary because, without it, Jesus would have received His flesh from one who was herself a slave to the devil, whose works Jesus came to destroy (1 John 3:8). Mary, as the mother of the Redeemer, needed for her flesh to be free from the power of sin, and God gave her that privilege. From her time in the womb, Mary was sanctified because of her special role in bringing the Son of God incarnate into the world.

One problem with the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is that it is not taught in the Bible. Even Catholics admit that Scripture does not directly teach the Immaculate Conception. The Bible nowhere describes Mary as anything but an ordinary human female whom God chose to be the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ. Mary was undoubtedly a godly woman (Luke 1:28). Mary was surely a wonderful wife and mother. Jesus definitely loved and cherished His mother (John 19:27). But the Bible gives us no reason to believe that Mary was sinless. In fact, the Bible gives us every reason to believe that Jesus Christ is the only Person who was not “infected” by sin and never committed a sin (see Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:22; 1 John 3:5).

The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is neither biblical nor necessary. Jesus was miraculously conceived inside Mary, who was a virgin at the time. That is the biblical doctrine of the virgin birth. The Bible never hints that there was anything significant about Mary’s conception. Mary is not an exception to the Bible’s statement that “all have sinned” (Romans 3:23). Mary needed a Savior just like the rest of us (Luke 1:47)."

Recommended Resource: Reasoning from the Scriptures with Catholics by Ron Rhodes

It is clear in the op, but the two Sisters I'm searching, is there anyone with that answer?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Hi Jane,

That "institution" you speak of is the rock upon which Jesus built His Church of which the gates of hell will not prevail against (Matthew 16:18) soooooo I have no problem with leaving the "impression" upon you or any one else that I am shouting from the rooftops that I love the Church that Jesus established. ;)

Why do you only talk about your institution (your interpretation of scripture)? I think The Church is a better interpreter of Scripture than you and won't twist it....2 Peter 3:16

I put my faith in The Church which is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 timothy 3:15) and has the final authority to treat someone as a pagan or tax collector with the authority to bind or loosen (Matthew 18:17-18). Can you show me in Scripture where God gave any individual man that authority? Once you can show me in Scripture that Jesus didn't established an "institution" with authority I will join you and your ilk.

2nd time asking: If the CC is not synonymous with Christ's Church then which church is?

Bible study Mary

Again: Mary, all you are doing is looking horizontally to more sinners. Most other Christians (including myself and most Catholics) look up towards God.
I know you don't understand that, and that you're not interested in understanding that. So as this conversation would only be a waste of time for the both of us.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

It is clear in the op, but the two Sisters I'm searching, is there anyone with that answer?

Did Jesus have brothers and sisters (siblings)?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

It is clear in the op, but the two Sisters I'm searching, is there anyone with that answer?

Jesus had four brothers: James, Simon, Judas and Joseph. He had two sisters: Assia and Lydia.

 

[Marymog]

Again: Mary, all you are doing is looking horizontally to more sinners. Most other Christians (including myself and most Catholics) look up towards God.
I know you don't understand that, and that you're not interested in understanding that. So as this conversation would only be a waste of time for the both of us.

Thank you Jane. Your horizontally to more sinners statement makes ZERO sense. It's cute....but is silly. Since you look to yourself for guidance on scripture which way are you looking?

Scripture (Jesus) established a Church with the authority to bind on earth what is bound in heaven (Matthew 18 and 16) with elders, doctrines and other Church leaders. An Church that has the authority to pronounce you to the rest of the Church members a heathen and pagan. You deny scripture. I accept it. Case closed.

I agree...this conversation is a waste of time. I ask you questions.....you refuse to answer. I use the words from scripture to back up what I believe you use.....well....your own words to back up what you believe. How sad for you....

Mary

 

[Nondenom40]

Hi Jane,

That "institution" you speak of is the rock upon which Jesus built His Church of which the gates of hell will not prevail against (Matthew 16:18)

Jesus is the rock, not an institution. Interesting though most catholics think Peter is the rock. That too is incorrect.

1Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

There are more in both o.t. and n.t. The rock is Jesus.

soooooo I have no problem with leaving the "impression" upon you or any one else that I am shouting from the rooftops that I love the Church that Jesus established. ;)

I've yet to find a catholic that can even find their church within the pages of the n.t. let alone prove He established the roman catholic church. Which didn't even exist yet.

Why do you only talk about your institution (your interpretation of scripture)? I think The Church is a better interpreter of Scripture than you and won't twist it....2 Peter 3:16

How many verses has your church infallibly defined in approx 2000 years? (allegedly)

I put my faith in The Church which is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 timothy 3:15) and has the final authority to treat someone as a pagan or tax collector with the authority to bind or loosen (Matthew 18:17-18).

Where is the verse where we are supposed to put our faith in the church? And 1 Tim 3:15 says ....pillar and foundation of THE truth. Not simply 'truth'. It changes the meaning. Your quote makes it look like the catholic church is the pillar and foundation of truth itself. The church upholds the truth, its not truth in and of itself.

Can you show me in Scripture where God gave any individual man that authority?

Once you can show me in Scripture that Jesus didn't established an "institution" with authority I will join you and your ilk.

Binding and loosing has to do with the gospel. Not power as youre thinking. Romans 1:16;
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Jesus gave the keys to all of us that proclaim the gospel. Thats what the great commission is all about.

2nd time asking: If the CC is not synonymous with Christ's Church then which church is?

Bible study Mary

The ekklesia. This is what God Himself places you in when you are born again.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus is the rock, not an institution. Interesting though most catholics think Peter is the rock. That too is incorrect.

1Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

There are more in both o.t. and n.t. The rock is Jesus.
I've yet to find a catholic that can even find their church within the pages of the n.t. let alone prove He established the roman catholic church. Which didn't even exist yet.
How many verses has your church infallibly defined in approx 2000 years? (allegedly)
Where is the verse where we are supposed to put our faith in the church? And 1 Tim 3:15 says ....pillar and foundation of THE truth. Not simply 'truth'. It changes the meaning. Your quote makes it look like the catholic church is the pillar and foundation of truth itself. The church upholds the truth, its not truth in and of itself.
Binding and loosing has to do with the gospel. Not power as youre thinking. Romans 1:16;
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Jesus gave the keys to all of us that proclaim the gospel. Thats what the great commission is all about.


The ekklesia. This is what God Himself places you in when you are born again.

Actually, theologians DO AGREE that the keys were given to PETER.
This is plain to understand from just reading the verses.

As to Peter being the rock there is some question.
Theologians even speak about the POSITION of Jesus and Peter when this conversation was taking place.

Peter was very respected in the early church and Pau went to speak to him after he, Paul, had spent three years in the desert.

Things didn't happen by magic back then...I know we like to believe this.
But they were normal men trying to manage a very abnormal situation.

Peter was looked up to and can be said to be the first Pope, although this would need some explaining...which I won't do unless you really want to hear it.

No need to argue over this....

 

[Enoch111]

As to Peter being the rock there is some question.

"A rock" (petros) is not the same as "THE Rock" (petra).